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Old December 15th, 2012 (10:45 AM).
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    Espeon is meant to be a support 'mon. If you're using Reflect, you should be using Light Screen too. This is called "dual screening," which involves getting both Reflect and Light Screen up to give frail attackers a chance of surviving on the battlefield. Due to the new Wish mechanics, Espeon can't utilize it too well (Wish now restores half the user's max HP to the recipient. Say Espeon uses Wish and switches to something like Magnezone. Magnezone then gains HP equal to Espeon's max HP):
    -Reflect
    -Light Screen
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Baton Pass
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Light Clay
    Ability: Magic Bounce
    I was waiting for someone to say that about Espeon. The only thing why I choosed that moveset is because Espeon has a fantastic Special Attack and Speed, and it seems a waste of them to me, using the protect screens from Espeon and then switching it out... I removed Light Screen and kept it with Reflect because it's Defense is not as good as it's special defense, that's why Reflect could help Espeon... On a more offensive profile, what would you suggest?
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    Old December 15th, 2012 (11:20 AM).
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    I am setting up about 5 different teams, so I don't mind using one or another. And I'm not using mono type teams, I don't like that, it's going to be a mixed team, all 5 of them.
    What would be a good moveset for Walrein, preferably keeping Curse, as I really like it?
    Also, no Mamoswine? It's attack is scary!!
    You could use Mamoswine to set up Stealth Rock, or have a strong attacker on the physical end alongside Abomasnow. But to be aware, Snow Cloak is now banned alongside Hail:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard
    -Endeavor
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Thick Fat

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Icicle Crash
    -Ice Shard
    -Stone Edge
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Band
    Ability: Thick Fat

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Icicle Spear/Icicle Crash
    -Stone Edge
    -Superpower
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Thick Fat

    As tempting as Curse is, Walrein can't use it too well because its bad defensive typing lets it down. It's a freakin' stall machine in Hail, courtesy of Ice Body and the right moves. It should always be used with Abomasnow:
    -Substitute
    -Protect
    -Roar/Toxic
    -Blizzard/Surf
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 232 HP/108 Def/148 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Ice Body

    Edit: here's a more offensive, yet still supportive, take on Espeon. Even with its decent Special Defense, Espeon still has a hard time taking special hits thanks to its low HP:
    -Calm Mind
    -Stored Power
    -Hidden Power (Fighting)
    -Baton Pass
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Bounce
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    Old December 16th, 2012 (5:24 AM). Edited December 16th, 2012 by Satycorn89.
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      You could use Mamoswine to set up Stealth Rock, or have a strong attacker on the physical end alongside Abomasnow. But to be aware, Snow Cloak is now banned alongside Hail:
      -Stealth Rock
      -Earthquake
      -Ice Shard
      -Endeavor
      Nature: Adamant
      EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
      Item: Focus Sash
      Ability: Thick Fat

      or
      -Earthquake
      -Icicle Crash
      -Ice Shard
      -Stone Edge
      Nature: Adamant/Jolly
      EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Choice Band
      Ability: Thick Fat

      or
      -Earthquake
      -Icicle Spear/Icicle Crash
      -Stone Edge
      -Superpower
      Nature: Adamant/Jolly
      EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Scarf
      Ability: Thick Fat

      As tempting as Curse is, Walrein can't use it too well because its bad defensive typing lets it down. It's a freakin' stall machine in Hail, courtesy of Ice Body and the right moves. It should always be used with Abomasnow:
      -Substitute
      -Protect
      -Roar/Toxic
      -Blizzard/Surf
      Nature: Bold
      EVs: 232 HP/108 Def/148 Spe
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Ice Body

      Edit: here's a more offensive, yet still supportive, take on Espeon. Even with its decent Special Defense, Espeon still has a hard time taking special hits thanks to its low HP:
      -Calm Mind
      -Stored Power
      -Hidden Power (Fighting)
      -Baton Pass
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Magic Bounce
      I see, thanks. Those Mamoswine movesets are really good. I'm using White, so I can't get Endeavor at the moment, what is I switch it with Icicle Crash in the first moveset?

      Also, snap, my Spheal Has Thick Fat :(... I have already spent days getting it with the right IVs, I just can't switch to another Spheal now... Do i toss it now that it doesn't have Ice Body, or am I still able to use it well? What would you suggest?
      And last, about Espeon, I have IV breed it for days to, until I got the Eevee I wanted, but it's Hidden Power is Grass :/... Can I replace Hidden Power Fighting with the move Psychic?
      -Calm Mind
      -Stored Power
      -Hidden Power (Fighting)
      -Baton Pass


      Edit: Also I have a soon to be Froslass with Snow Cloak, what would be wise to use it with? The battles will be double ones, and I will be playing with Friends through infrared, not over Wi-Fi. Also I'm not making a mono-type team, I will be making about 2-3 mixed teams, but I can use two pokemon of the same type, as you suggested using Walrein with Abomasnow.
      Thank you very much!
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      Old December 16th, 2012 (9:27 AM).
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      I see, thanks. Those Mamoswine movesets are really good. I'm using White, so I can't get Endeavor at the moment, what is I switch it with Icicle Crash in the first moveset?

      Also, snap, my Spheal Has Thick Fat :(... I have already spent days getting it with the right IVs, I just can't switch to another Spheal now... Do i toss it now that it doesn't have Ice Body, or am I still able to use it well? What would you suggest?
      And last, about Espeon, I have IV breed it for days to, until I got the Eevee I wanted, but it's Hidden Power is Grass :/... Can I replace Hidden Power Fighting with the move Psychic?
      -Calm Mind
      -Stored Power
      -Hidden Power (Fighting)
      -Baton Pass


      Edit: Also I have a soon to be Froslass with Snow Cloak, what would be wise to use it with? The battles will be double ones, and I will be playing with Friends through infrared, not over Wi-Fi. Also I'm not making a mono-type team, I will be making about 2-3 mixed teams, but I can use two pokemon of the same type, as you suggested using Walrein with Abomasnow.
      Thank you very much!
      All four moves are needed in Mamoswine's first set. You're going to have to do some breeding for Icicle Crash, as it's one of Mamoswine's egg moves.

      Ice Body is what makes Walrein so good in Hail, as it provides extra recovery per turn in hail. Don't bother with Thick Fat.

      No. Going for both Psychic and Stored Power at once makes Espeon completely walled by Dark Pokémon this way. HP Fighting is the best way for dealing with them; while Spiritomb and Sableye wall it completely, it can always Baton Pass to something else.

      Froslass is best off as a suicide lead/speedy supporter. Pokémon that like the passive damage of Spikes are good teammates:
      -Spikes
      -Taunt
      -Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
      -Pain Split/Destiny Bond
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 248 HP/8 SDef/252 Spe
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Cursed Body

      or
      -Spikes
      -Taunt
      -Destiny Bond
      -Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
      Item: Focus Sash
      Ability: Cursed Body
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      Old December 16th, 2012 (9:47 AM).
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        Espeon got Signal Beam in BW2 which is an alternative for hitting Dark-types and opposing Psychics, which is great if you're having trouble breeding a specific HP.

        (But I'll leave that for PD to recommend~)
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        Old December 18th, 2012 (4:34 PM).
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          I need help deciding between two special walls for my RU team. One has more HP but less Special Defense, while the other has less HP yet more Special Defense and Defense.


          Meganium @ Leftovers
          Nature: Calm
          Ability: Leaf Guard
          EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
          -Leech Seed
          -Hidden Power {Rock}
          -Aromatherapy
          -Giga Drain

          Meganium has base 80 HP and base 100 defenses, making it appear to be the better choice, however, having Aromatherapy but no Wish makes Meganium's movepool a weaker asset to the team, although Leech Seed assists in teammate recovery and wearing down bulky, non-grass-type opponents. Giga Drain for recovery and Hidden Power {Rock} to assist in my Bug weakness that also affects another teammate.


          Clefable @ Leftovers
          Nature: Calm
          Ability: Magic Guard
          EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
          -Heal Bell
          -Wish
          -Seismic Toss
          -Protect

          Clefable has base 95 HP, 90 SpD, yet only 73 Defense, which makes for a better special wall, but for a weaker one overall, which will also guarantee that almost any fighting-type Pokemon can knock her out in one hit. The movepool more than makes up for it, though, as an incoming teammate could be gaining 197-101 HP on the switch in (depending on whether I'm doing level 50 or 100 battling). Protect can scout, and also ensure the healing from Heal Bell, rendering Softboiled a waste of a moveslot which allows for Seismic Toss for a steady 50-100 damage when needed.

          Which do you guys think will better fill in the role as both a special wall and supply team support?
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          Old December 18th, 2012 (8:13 PM).
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          I need help deciding between two special walls for my RU team. One has more HP but less Special Defense, while the other has less HP yet more Special Defense and Defense.


          Meganium @ Leftovers
          Nature: Calm
          Ability: Leaf Guard
          EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
          -Leech Seed
          -Hidden Power {Rock}
          -Aromatherapy
          -Giga Drain

          Meganium has base 80 HP and base 100 defenses, making it appear to be the better choice, however, having Aromatherapy but no Wish makes Meganium's movepool a weaker asset to the team, although Leech Seed assists in teammate recovery and wearing down bulky, non-grass-type opponents. Giga Drain for recovery and Hidden Power {Rock} to assist in my Bug weakness that also affects another teammate.


          Clefable @ Leftovers
          Nature: Calm
          Ability: Magic Guard
          EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
          -Heal Bell
          -Wish
          -Seismic Toss
          -Protect

          Clefable has base 95 HP, 90 SpD, yet only 73 Defense, which makes for a better special wall, but for a weaker one overall, which will also guarantee that almost any fighting-type Pokemon can knock her out in one hit. The movepool more than makes up for it, though, as an incoming teammate could be gaining 197-101 HP on the switch in (depending on whether I'm doing level 50 or 100 battling). Protect can scout, and also ensure the healing from Heal Bell, rendering Softboiled a waste of a moveslot which allows for Seismic Toss for a steady 50-100 damage when needed.

          Which do you guys think will better fill in the role as both a special wall and supply team support?
          Whichever one you choose depends on the team you're using. Personally, I'd use Clefable; Meganium has more common weaknesses (Fire, Flying, Ice, and to a lesser extent, Poison and Bug) to exploit. Hopefully, you should have a Ghost or Psychic Pokémon to cover for Clefable's Fighting weakness.
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            Okay, Clefable it is as I have a Psychic type to cover and Meganium would make three Pokemon weak to Bug.
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              OK,
              I'm building a team, and I've created a concept for a Physical sweeper: Golurk. Here's what I've got:

              Golurk @ Choice Scarf
              Ability: Iron Fist
              252 ATK, 252 SPD, 3 HP, 3 SP. DEF (Careful Nature)
              -Shadow Punch
              -Drain Punch
              -Ice Punch
              -ThunderPunch

              Is this a good setup? Or is there a way to improve it? Please, let me know!
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              Old December 24th, 2012 (12:24 AM). Edited December 24th, 2012 by Ho-Oh.
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              OK,
              I'm building a team, and I've created a concept for a Physical sweeper: Golurk. Here's what I've got:

              Golurk @ Choice Scarf
              Ability: Iron Fist
              252 ATK, 252 SPD, 3 HP, 3 SP. DEF (Careful Nature)
              -Shadow Punch
              -Drain Punch
              -Ice Punch
              -ThunderPunch

              Is this a good setup? Or is there a way to improve it? Please, let me know!
              Go for Earthquake, it's secondary STAB ismore useful than ThunderPunch will ever be. Adamant or Jolly would be best off here, given that you're going for Choice Scarf. I tried that once but note that the CB set is much more useful as it doesn't really outspeed that much in NU that is notable that it can't take a hit from with a Choice Band instead.
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              Old December 25th, 2012 (7:21 AM).
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                Hey everyone!
                I've been a long-time lover of Pokémon, but this is my first time getting serious about competitive battling, and I'd like some advice on how best to EV train my new team.

                Here's the team as it stands. I've bred them all so they're at level 1, but I'll denote them as their final evolutions:

                Arcanine:
                Nature - jolly
                Ability - intimidate

                Kingdra:
                Nature - Modest
                Ability - Sniper

                Salamence:
                Nature - Careful
                Ability - Intimidate

                Tyranitar:
                Nature - Adamant
                Ability - Sand stream

                Lucario:
                Nature - Adamant
                Ability - Inner Focus

                Magnezone:
                Nature - Modest
                Ability - Sturdy/Magnet pull

                I'm pretty new to the whole competitive terminology thing, so if you guys could give me some suggestions as to what role each of these should play in my team, that'd be great. I think Kingdra should be a DD'er, but that's about all. Which one should be my wall? And which for a sweeper? Stuff like that would be great.
                Then if you can give me some ideas as to where I should place my EV points for each of them, I'd be very grateful. I was planning on spreading them pretty evenly for each of them, buffing up defences if weak and then focussing on attack for something like Tyranitar... Dunno.

                Thanks for your time and help guys!

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                Old December 25th, 2012 (7:58 AM).
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                To let you know, we can't really build your Pokémon's movesets for you; a good place to search would be Smogon.

                Arcanine is best off being Adamant, since 95 Speed may not really cut it at times and it would be outsped by a lot of stuff even if Jolly:
                -Flare Blitz
                -ExtremeSpeed
                -Wild Charge/Crunch
                -Close Combat/Morning Sun
                Nature: Adamant
                EVs: 72 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef/176 Spe
                Item: Life Orb
                Ability: Flash Fire/Intimidate

                Kingdra is better off with Swift Swim to help it check opposing rain teams, which are common nowadays (not so sure about Wi-Fi matches having loads of rain teams, but I think they do). It can also do physical sets to good effect.:
                -Dragon Dance
                -Waterfall
                -Outrage
                -Substitute
                Nature: Adamant
                EVs: 40 HP/228 Atk/12 Def/228 Spe
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Swift Swim

                or
                -Dragon Dance
                -Waterfall
                -Outrage
                -Rest
                Nature: Adamant
                EVs: 152 HP/96 Atk/32 SDef/228 Spe
                Item: Chesto Berry
                Ability: Swift Swim

                or
                -Dragon Dance
                -Outrage
                -Waterfall/Hydro Pump
                -Hidden Power (Fire)/Draco Meteor
                Nature: Naughty/Lonely
                EVs: 136 Atk/136 SAtk/236 Spe
                Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
                Ability: Swift Swim

                But since Kingdra's offensive stats are rather average, and you're not guaranteed to face Rain teams, Hydreigon is a better special attacker:
                -Draco Meteor
                -Fire Blast
                -Superpower
                -Roost/Dark Pulse/Earthquake/Earth Power
                Nature: Mild/Rash
                EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt

                or
                -Substitute
                -Dragon Pulse
                -Focus Blast
                -Fire Blast/Roost
                Nature: Modest
                EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

                or
                -Draco Meteor
                -Fire Blast
                -Focus Blast
                -U-turn/Dark Pulse
                Nature: Modest
                EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Specs

                A Careful nature on Salamence? Don't bother with that nature. Salamence's stats are leaning towards offensive sets, and it should be Adamant/Jolly (or somewhere on those lines):
                -Dragon Dance
                -Outrage/Dragon Claw
                -Earthquake
                -Fire Blast/Roost
                Nature: Naughty/Naive/Adamant/Jolly
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

                or
                -Outrage
                -Dragon Claw
                -Earthquake
                -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
                Nature: Naive/Jolly
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Scarf
                Ability: Moxie

                or
                -Draco Meteor
                -Outrage
                -Fire Blast
                -Earthquake
                Nature: Naive
                EVs: 64 Atk/192 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Life Orb

                Tyranitar is better off on dedicated sandstorm teams or anti-weather teams, and this team doesn't seem like one. Ferrothorn or Forretress are better walls to use here and the latter has Rapid Spin to take care of Arcanine's and Salamence's Stealth Rock weakness:

                Ferrothorn:
                -Spikes/Stealth Rock
                -Leech Seed
                -Power Whip
                -Gyro Ball/Protect/Thunder Wave
                Nature: Relaxed
                EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
                Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

                Forretress:
                -Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes
                -Rapid Spin
                -Volt Switch
                -Gyro Ball/Hidden Power (Ice)
                Nature: Relaxed/Bold
                EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
                Item: Leftovers

                Lucario's set should be:
                -Swords Dance
                -Close Combat
                -ExtremeSpeed
                -Crunch/Shadow Claw/Ice Punch/Bullet Punch
                Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Life Orb

                Magnezone's main gimmick is Magnet Pull. Don't bother with Sturdy (even though it's a good ability itself):
                -Thunderbolt
                -Volt Switch
                -Flash Cannon
                -Hidden Power (Fire/Ice)
                Nature: Modest
                EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
                Item: Choice Specs
                Ability: Magnet Pull

                or
                -Substitute
                -Thunderbolt
                -Flash Cannon
                -Hidden Power (Fire/Ice)
                Nature: Timid
                EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Magnet Pull

                or
                -Substitute
                -Charge Beam
                -Thunderbolt
                -Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
                Nature: Modest
                EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/88 Spe
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Magnet Pull
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                Old December 25th, 2012 (10:01 AM).
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                  While I dont normally disagree with you PD. I think Sturdy should be used for its ability. For the simple fact if you get hit with Mean Look type of move or simply you are about to be One hit KOed. at least you can get one good shot in before it faints. I dk how many times Ive pulled out a win with just that ability alone.

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                  Old December 26th, 2012 (8:46 PM).
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                    should I consider mamoswine for my team?
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                    Old December 26th, 2012 (9:07 PM).
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                    should I consider mamoswine for my team?
                    c/ping to make it easier,

                    Quote:
                    1.blaziken

                    2.swampert

                    3.alakazam

                    4.dusknoir

                    5.hydregion

                    6.?
                    From looking at your team posted in NU/W (which isn't meant to go there as you now probably know!) I'd say no. You have Swampert for ground + SR, Hydreigon can hit Dragon types which ice would cover, Grass is covered by Blaziken, and flying types shouldn't really pose an issue to you. However, keep in mind that if you want to play online competitive with simulators, Blaziken is in Ubers, therefore can't be used in most play, and Dusknoir doesn't really sit well in OverUsed, the most common tier unfortunately (and the same would apply in-game, in fact, Cresselia is seen as a better wall competitively and is used on the in-game scene anyway from what I've heard). So to Mamoswine, not really, it's pretty much covered.
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                    Old December 27th, 2012 (12:57 PM).
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                      I'm looking for some good movesets for a weather team that consists of, Roserade, Froslass, Weavile. I also have Gallade as a back up for psychic moves. Any suggests?:cool:
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                      Old December 27th, 2012 (1:47 PM).
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                      I'm looking for some good movesets for a weather team that consists of, Roserade, Froslass, Weavile. I also have Gallade as a back up for psychic moves. Any suggests?:cool:
                      You'd have to tell us what weather you're going to utilize, whether it be sun, rain, hail, or sandstorm. I don't think you have a weather-inducer yet, so I suggest figuring that out should be your primary objective after you've decided what weather to workaround with.
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                      Old December 27th, 2012 (4:37 PM).
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                        So,this is my 1st time here.I hope the community is not the typical 'IF U DON PLAY META U VIRGINZ' guys,cause that sucks.

                        Anyways,I loved pokemon since I was a kid but just got into them more seriously.

                        So so far I am using the following team

                        Arcanine (physical sweeper?)
                        Rhyperior (physical wall?)
                        Electavile (special sweeper?)
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                        And the following pokemon I use but do not really like
                        Dragonite
                        Slowking
                        Gengar

                        I also like the desgin of staraptor but I dont know what his role is.

                        The team is going to be somewhat competitive but not in a meta level.
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                        Old December 27th, 2012 (5:50 PM).
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                          I think staraptor would be you speed ace.
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                          Old December 27th, 2012 (6:11 PM).
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                            Alright, so I'm trying to decide on something, and I need something that will let me input the move's type, power, and the stat behind it independently so that I can determine whether I should go with Ice type Hidden Power, or Ice Punch.

                            If there is nothing, then I need help deciding from you.

                            Ice Punch with 294 Atk behind it (Base 75 power)

                            or

                            Ice Type Hidden Power with 326 SpA behind it (Base 70 power)

                            I'm thinking Hidden Power, but I'm not entirely sure.
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                            Old December 27th, 2012 (6:30 PM).
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                              Quagsire and/or Gastrodon will eat that team alive, especially Gastrodon equiped with ice beam, of which there are plenty.

                              I suggest using a mixed wall, like Cresselia or since you don't really seem to be into legendaries, maybe Glaceon.
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                              Old December 27th, 2012 (6:34 PM).
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                              Moved to the questions thread sticky for you.
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                              Old December 27th, 2012 (6:55 PM).
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                              Quote:
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                              Alright, so I'm trying to decide on something, and I need something that will let me input the move's type, power, and the stat behind it independently so that I can determine whether I should go with Ice type Hidden Power, or Ice Punch.

                              If there is nothing, then I need help deciding from you.

                              Ice Punch with 294 Atk behind it (Base 75 power)

                              or

                              Ice Type Hidden Power with 326 SpA behind it (Base 70 power)

                              I'm thinking Hidden Power, but I'm not entirely sure.
                              It also depends upon what Pokemon it is and what nature it is. Some Pokemon are fine mixed, however from the looks of it you're better off with HP Ice, given that I'm assuming you have a +sPA nature, or a higher sPA IV, or the fact that the Pokemon has higher sPA overall.

                              Sooo what Pokemon/nature is it?
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                              Old December 27th, 2012 (6:59 PM).
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                                It also depends upon what Pokemon it is and what nature it is. Some Pokemon are fine mixed, however from the looks of it you're better off with HP Ice, given that I'm assuming you have a +sPA nature, or a higher sPA IV, or the fact that the Pokemon has higher sPA overall.

                                Sooo what Pokemon/nature is it?
                                Serious/Modest Azelf. I have both, and the Modest one has the right IVs for HP Ice.
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                                Old December 27th, 2012 (7:02 PM).
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                                Serious/Modest Azelf. I have both, and the Modest one has the right IVs for HP Ice.
                                Okay, definitely go for HP Ice then. :) You'll have a higher sPA overall in comparison to the base power of Ice Punch which is lowered by the Modest nature!
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