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Old March 10th, 2013 (9:56 AM). Edited March 10th, 2013 by JolteonTheBest.
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    Hey everyone I've decided that I want to do competitive battling on Black 2, but I'm not sure what Pokemon would be best to form a team. Do you think some of you could pick out five Pokemon that would make a great team? (I say five because I've already picked out Jolteon for my first choice, and I'm not changing it). And if you can can you tell me what use the Pokemon would be best for? (You'd think I would already know what they are best at but sadly I don't LOL). Thanks everyone, it means a lot!

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    Drapion
    Togekiss
    Blastoise
    Gliscor
    Scrafty
    Poliwrath
    Milotic
    Heracross
    Ludicolo
    Donphan
    Ambipom
    Swampert
    Walrein
    Kecleon
    Infernape
    Roserade
    Lickilicky
    Salamence
    Sudowoodo
    Dragonite
    Metagross
    Dusknoir
    Golurk
    Pinsir
    Muk
    Krookodile
    Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

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    Old March 10th, 2013 (10:20 AM).
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    Look at Smogon's tier list for the Pokémon that are viable in OU. Normally, I'd pick out any specifics out of your list, but it's too big. xD
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      Technically, every single one of those pokemon has the potential to be great. Personally, I like to follow a motto of "Don't choose the best, pick your favourites and make them the best," so if you tell me your favourites out of that huge list, I can give you a great setup for each one.
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      Old March 10th, 2013 (10:32 AM). Edited March 10th, 2013 by JolteonTheBest.
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        Technically, every single one of those pokemon has the potential to be great. Personally, I like to follow a motto of "Don't choose the best, pick your favourites and make them the best," so if you tell me your favourites out of that huge list, I can give you a great setup for each one.
        These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

        Drapion
        Togekiss
        Blastoise
        Gliscor
        Scrafty
        Poliwrath
        Milotic
        Heracross
        Ludicolo
        Donphan
        Ambipom
        Swampert
        Walrein
        Kecleon
        Infernape
        Roserade
        Lickilicky
        Salamence
        Sudowoodo
        Dragonite
        Metagross
        Dusknoir
        Golurk
        Pinsir
        Muk
        Krookodile
        Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

        BEST I could do, lol.

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        Look at Smogon's tier list for the Pokémon that are viable in OU. Normally, I'd pick out any specifics out of your list, but it's too big. xD
        Oh does my team have to be in the same tiers? I honestly don't have a clue about competitive battling lol, so I'm not allowed to use a team with Pokemon from different tiers?
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        These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

        Drapion
        Togekiss
        Blastoise
        Gliscor
        Scrafty
        Poliwrath
        Milotic
        Heracross
        Ludicolo
        Donphan
        Ambipom
        Swampert
        Walrein
        Kecleon
        Infernape
        Roserade
        Lickilicky
        Salamence
        Sudowoodo
        Dragonite
        Metagross
        Dusknoir
        Golurk
        Pinsir
        Muk
        Krookodile
        Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

        BEST I could do, lol.


        Oh does my team have to be in the same tiers? I honestly don't have a clue about competitive battling lol, so I'm not allowed to use a team with Pokemon from different tiers?
        It's possible to use Pokémon from different tiers in the same team, but the environment you must play in with that team is the Pokémon in the highest tier among them. Say you use a team of Dragonite, Metagross, Scrafty, Donphan, Roserade and Golurk. You must play in the OU tier because Dragonite, Metagross and Donphan are OU Pokémon. Roserade and Scrafty are in UU, while Golurk is in NU.

        A Pokémon's movepool, type and/or base stats determine its viability in the OU tier, which is the main tier everyone plays.
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        Old March 10th, 2013 (10:44 AM). Edited March 10th, 2013 by JolteonTheBest.
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          It's possible to use Pokémon from different tiers in the same team, but the environment you must play in with that team is the Pokémon in the highest tier among them. Say you use a team of Dragonite, Metagross, Scrafty, Donphan, Roserade and Golurk. You must play in the OU tier because Dragonite, Metagross and Donphan are OU Pokémon. Roserade and Scrafty are in UU, while Golurk is in NU.

          A Pokémon's movepool, type and/or base stats determine its viability in the OU tier, which is the main tier everyone plays.
          Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?

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          Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?
          Wait nevermind I just noticed you said OU is the main tier lol.
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          Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?


          Wait nevermind I just noticed you said OU is the main tier lol.
          No. You still play the OU tier as you have 2 OU Pokémon in the team. OU Pokémon can't be used in UU, RU and NU. UU Pokémon can't be used in RU and NU. RU Pokémon can't be used in NU.

          Here are what the tiers mean:
          -Uber (Pokémon that are too good in OU go here)
          -OverUsed (OU)
          -UnderUsed (UU)
          -RarelyUsed (RU)
          -NeverUsed (NU)
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            No. You still play the OU tier as you have 2 OU Pokémon in the team. OU Pokémon can't be used in UU, RU and NU. UU Pokémon can't be used in RU and NU. RU Pokémon can't be used in NU.

            Here are what the tiers mean:
            -Uber (Pokémon that are too good in OU go here)
            -OverUsed (OU)
            -UnderUsed (UU)
            -RarelyUsed (RU)
            -NeverUsed (NU)
            Oh I see, that makes plenty of sense. I think I will take a look at these tier groups. This might actually make my team building easier. Thanks a lot!
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              These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

              Drapion
              Togekiss
              Blastoise
              Gliscor
              Scrafty
              Poliwrath
              Milotic
              Heracross
              Ludicolo
              Donphan
              Ambipom
              Swampert
              Walrein
              Kecleon
              Infernape
              Roserade
              Lickilicky
              Salamence
              Sudowoodo
              Dragonite
              Metagross
              Dusknoir
              Golurk
              Pinsir
              Muk
              Krookodile
              Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

              BEST I could do, lol.
              WAY to much work to make something for every pokemon on there man, if you pick the 5 you intend to use I can do the rest easy. On possible team could go something like this:

              Donphan: Earthquake, Seed Bomb, Ice Shard and Head Smash. Give it Leftovers.

              Dragonite: Dragondance, outrage, fire punch, thunderpunch. Give a lum berry to cure the outrage confusion

              Heracross: Megahorn, close combat, stone edge, swords dance. Give it either a choice scarf or a white herb.

              Ambipom: Fake out, return, low kick, shadow claw. Give it a lifeorb and make sure it''s ability is technician. Send him out first

              Salamance: It's like having two dragonites, set it up similarly. As long as it has outrage and dragondance you should be good. You can also give him a focus sash to cover his ice weakness. Try to get one with the Moxie ability, it helps a lot
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              WAY to much work to make something for every pokemon on there man, if you pick the 5 you intend to use I can do the rest easy. On possible team could go something like this:

              Donphan: Earthquake, Seed Bomb, Ice Shard and Head Smash. Give it Leftovers.

              Dragonite: Dragondance, outrage, fire punch, thunderpunch. Give a lum berry to cure the outrage confusion

              Heracross: Megahorn, close combat, stone edge, swords dance. Give it either a choice scarf or a white herb.

              Ambipom: Fake out, return, low kick, shadow claw. Give it a lifeorb and make sure it''s ability is technician. Send him out first

              Salamance: It's like having two dragonites, set it up similarly. As long as it has outrage and dragondance you should be good. You can also give him a focus sash to cover his ice weakness. Try to get one with the Moxie ability, it helps a lot
              I'm afraid I have to disagree on Dragonite. It doesn't need ThunderPunch; its only notable target is Gyarados, who's still hit hard by Outrage anyway:
              -Dragon Dance
              -Outrage
              -Fire Punch
              -ExtremeSpeed/Earthquake/Roost
              Nature: Adamant/Jolly
              EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
              Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
              Ability: Multiscale

              or
              -Outrage
              -ExtremeSpeed
              -Fire Punch/Waterfall
              -Earthquake/Superpower
              Nature: Adamant
              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
              Item: Choice Band
              Ability: Multiscale

              or
              -Draco Meteor
              -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
              -Thunder Wave
              -Roost
              Nature: Modest
              EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
              Item: Leftovers
              Ability: Multiscale

              or
              -Dragon Tail
              -Substitute
              -Thunder Wave/Flamethrower
              -Roost
              Nature: Careful
              EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
              Item: Leftovers
              Ability: Multiscale

              And I'm afraid I have to disagree on Donphan being used for all-out offense too; it's better off as an offensive Rapid Spinner to clear away entry hazards:
              -Earthquake
              -Rapid Spin
              -Head Smash/Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
              -Ice Shard
              Nature: Adamant
              EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
              Item: Leftovers
              Ability: Sturdy

              Heracross is somewhat defensively weak to use Swords Dance, though its Special Defense is decent:
              -Megahorn
              -Close Combat
              -Stone Edge
              -Sleep Talk/Night Slash/Pursuit
              Nature: Adamant/Jolly
              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
              Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
              Ability: Guts/Moxie

              or
              -Megahorn
              -Close Combat
              -Facade
              -Stone Edge/Night Slash
              Nature: Adamant/Jolly
              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
              Item: Flame Orb
              Ability: Guts

              or
              -Substitute
              -Megahorn
              -Close Combat
              -Stone Edge
              Nature: Jolly
              EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
              Item: Leftovers
              Ability: Guts

              Yache Berry covers the Ice weakness more easily than Focus Sash, IMO, on Salamence
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                I'm afraid I have to disagree on Dragonite. It doesn't need ThunderPunch; its only notable target is Gyarados, who's still hit hard by Outrage anyway:
                -Dragon Dance
                -Outrage
                -Fire Punch
                -ExtremeSpeed/Earthquake/Roost
                Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
                Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
                Ability: Multiscale

                or
                -Outrage
                -ExtremeSpeed
                -Fire Punch/Waterfall
                -Earthquake/Superpower
                Nature: Adamant
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Band
                Ability: Multiscale

                or
                -Draco Meteor
                -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
                -Thunder Wave
                -Roost
                Nature: Modest
                EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Multiscale

                or
                -Dragon Tail
                -Substitute
                -Thunder Wave/Flamethrower
                -Roost
                Nature: Careful
                EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Multiscale

                And I'm afraid I have to disagree on Donphan being used for all-out offense too; it's better off as an offensive Rapid Spinner to clear away entry hazards:
                -Earthquake
                -Rapid Spin
                -Head Smash/Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
                -Ice Shard
                Nature: Adamant
                EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Sturdy

                Heracross is somewhat defensively weak to use Swords Dance, though its Special Defense is decent:
                -Megahorn
                -Close Combat
                -Stone Edge
                -Sleep Talk/Night Slash/Pursuit
                Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
                Ability: Guts/Moxie

                or
                -Megahorn
                -Close Combat
                -Facade
                -Stone Edge/Night Slash
                Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Flame Orb
                Ability: Guts

                or
                -Substitute
                -Megahorn
                -Close Combat
                -Stone Edge
                Nature: Jolly
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
                Item: Leftovers
                Ability: Guts

                Yache Berry covers the Ice weakness more easily than Focus Sash, IMO, on Salamence
                Well if I had to come up with a team out of my list, it would be:

                Jolteon
                Ludicolo
                Salamence
                Scrafty
                Donphan
                and I'm not too sure what to have for a sixth Pokemon. Maybe Roserade to set up Toxic Spikes? I'm not sure.
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                Well if I had to come up with a team out of my list, it would be:

                Jolteon
                Ludicolo
                Salamence
                Scrafty
                Donphan
                and I'm not too sure what to have for a sixth Pokemon. Maybe Roserade to set up Toxic Spikes? I'm not sure.
                Ludicolo is only good on Rain teams, due to its Rain Dish ability or if it's there to check opposing Rain teams. IMO, Kingdra is a better rain check because its dual STABs have good neutral coverage.
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                  Ludicolo is only good on Rain teams, due to its Rain Dish ability or if it's there to check opposing Rain teams. IMO, Kingdra is a better rain check because its dual STABs have good neutral coverage.
                  Okay, so

                  Jolteon
                  Kingdra
                  Salamence
                  Scrafty
                  Donphan

                  I feel as though I could use a Pokemon that good with afflicting statuses, but I'm not sure what to use for that kind of job. So far I think my team is looking quite good, despite not knowing good move sets for some of them.
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                  Okay, so

                  Jolteon
                  Kingdra
                  Salamence
                  Scrafty
                  Donphan

                  I feel as though I could use a Pokemon that good with afflicting statuses, but I'm not sure what to use for that kind of job. So far I think my team is looking quite good, despite not knowing good move sets for some of them.
                  Here are some sets for each of them:

                  Jolteon:
                  -Thunderbolt
                  -Volt Switch
                  -Signal Beam
                  -Hidden Power (Ice)
                  Nature: Timid
                  EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
                  Ability: Volt Absorb

                  Kingdra:
                  -Rain Dance
                  -Hydro Pump/Surf
                  -Draco Meteor
                  -Dragon Pulse/Surf/Ice Beam
                  Nature: Modest
                  EVs: 40 HP/240 SAtk/228 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb/Damp Rock
                  Ability: Swift Swim

                  or
                  -Substitute
                  -Dragon Dance
                  -Waterfall
                  -Outrage
                  Nature: Adamant
                  EVs: 40 HP/228 Atk/12 Def/228 Spe
                  Item: Leftovers
                  Ability: Swift Swim

                  or
                  -Draco Meteor
                  -Hydro Pump
                  -Dragon Pulse/Ice Beam
                  -Surf/Ice Beam
                  Nature: Modest/Timid
                  EVs: 28 HP/252 SAtk/228 Spe
                  Item: Choice Specs
                  Ability: Swift Swim

                  or
                  -Dragon Dance
                  -Waterfall
                  -Outrage
                  -Rest
                  Nature: Adamant
                  EVs: 152 HP/96 Atk/32 SDef/228 Spe
                  Item: Chesto Berry
                  Ability: Swift Swim

                  or
                  -Dragon Dance
                  -Outrage
                  -Waterfall/Hydro Pump
                  -Hidden Power (Fire)/Draco Meteor
                  Nature: Naughty/Lonely
                  EVs: 136 Atk/136 SAtk/236 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
                  Ability: Swift Swim

                  Salamence:
                  -Outrage
                  -Dragon Claw
                  -Earthquake
                  -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
                  Nature: Naive/Jolly
                  EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                  Item: Choice Scarf
                  Ability: Moxie

                  or
                  -Dragon Dance
                  -Outrage
                  -Earthquake
                  -Fire Blast/Hydro Pump
                  Nature: Naive
                  EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Yache Berry

                  or
                  -Draco Meteor
                  -Outrage
                  -Earthquake
                  -Fire Blast
                  Nature: Naive
                  EVs: 64 Atk/252 SAtk/192 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb

                  Scrafty:
                  -Dragon Dance
                  -Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
                  -Crunch
                  -Ice Punch/Zen Headbutt
                  Nature: Jolly
                  EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
                  Ability: Shed Skin/Moxie

                  or
                  -Bulk Up
                  -Drain Punch
                  -Crunch/Dragon Tail
                  -Rest
                  Nature: Careful
                  EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
                  Item: Leftovers
                  Ability: Shed Skin
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                    Here are some sets for each of them:

                    Jolteon:
                    -Thunderbolt
                    -Volt Switch
                    -Signal Beam
                    -Hidden Power (Ice)
                    Nature: Timid
                    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
                    Ability: Volt Absorb

                    Kingdra:
                    -Rain Dance
                    -Hydro Pump/Surf
                    -Draco Meteor
                    -Dragon Pulse/Surf/Ice Beam
                    Nature: Modest
                    EVs: 40 HP/240 SAtk/228 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb/Damp Rock
                    Ability: Swift Swim

                    or
                    -Substitute
                    -Dragon Dance
                    -Waterfall
                    -Outrage
                    Nature: Adamant
                    EVs: 40 HP/228 Atk/12 Def/228 Spe
                    Item: Leftovers
                    Ability: Swift Swim

                    or
                    -Draco Meteor
                    -Hydro Pump
                    -Dragon Pulse/Ice Beam
                    -Surf/Ice Beam
                    Nature: Modest/Timid
                    EVs: 28 HP/252 SAtk/228 Spe
                    Item: Choice Specs
                    Ability: Swift Swim

                    or
                    -Dragon Dance
                    -Waterfall
                    -Outrage
                    -Rest
                    Nature: Adamant
                    EVs: 152 HP/96 Atk/32 SDef/228 Spe
                    Item: Chesto Berry
                    Ability: Swift Swim

                    or
                    -Dragon Dance
                    -Outrage
                    -Waterfall/Hydro Pump
                    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Draco Meteor
                    Nature: Naughty/Lonely
                    EVs: 136 Atk/136 SAtk/236 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
                    Ability: Swift Swim

                    Salamence:
                    -Outrage
                    -Dragon Claw
                    -Earthquake
                    -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
                    Nature: Naive/Jolly
                    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                    Item: Choice Scarf
                    Ability: Moxie

                    or
                    -Dragon Dance
                    -Outrage
                    -Earthquake
                    -Fire Blast/Hydro Pump
                    Nature: Naive
                    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Yache Berry

                    or
                    -Draco Meteor
                    -Outrage
                    -Earthquake
                    -Fire Blast
                    Nature: Naive
                    EVs: 64 Atk/252 SAtk/192 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb

                    Scrafty:
                    -Dragon Dance
                    -Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
                    -Crunch
                    -Ice Punch/Zen Headbutt
                    Nature: Jolly
                    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
                    Ability: Shed Skin/Moxie

                    or
                    -Bulk Up
                    -Drain Punch
                    -Crunch/Dragon Tail
                    -Rest
                    Nature: Careful
                    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
                    Item: Leftovers
                    Ability: Shed Skin
                    Cool, thanks a lot! And I think I'll use that offensive Rapid Spinner move set for Donphan that you stated earlier. As for my sixth Pokemon I'm still not sure. Once I think of one I might try and come up with my own move set for it. Thanks a lot!
                     

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