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Old May 17th, 2017 (3:03 AM).
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    Hi, thanks for the replies!
    I'm not up on the stats as I'm a casual player, but the guy before you seems to think it'd legit BECAUSE of the bad IVs, and you say this could also indicate a hack. Obviously stats that are too good to be true means a hack, so where's the line? I guess there really is no way to tell 100%?

    Edit: Sorry I just looked up what RNG means but not sure how it applies here. Easy RNG means its more likely to be hacked or not?
    Ah sorry, didn't realize you didn't know RNG! Essentially RNG abuse makes it so you can control nature/gender/IVs/Shinyness/etc. RNG abuse is generally accepted as legit no matter how it's done or in what gen, since it doesn't require any external devices interacting directly with the system. So I think it's legit!

    How easy or hard it is to RNG isn't a super big factor in legitness, though people are skeptical of really good stuff from 3rd Gen sometimes because it is notably hard to do in those games (and is limited based on several factors). 5th Gen was the easiest gen to RNG abuse in, which is why if you have Shinies, even flawless ones, from there I generally say they are pretty safe.
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    Hi, thanks for the replies!
    I'm not up on the stats as I'm a casual player, but the guy before you seems to think it'd legit BECAUSE of the bad IVs, and you say this could also indicate a hack. Obviously stats that are too good to be true means a hack, so where's the line? I guess there really is no way to tell 100%?
    To answer your question about bad IVs, it is due to the value they have, that sometimes can be an indicator of a hack.
    IVs, or Individual Values can have a value of 0 (terrible) to 31 (perfect). It isn't unlikely to get a few IVs with 0 from a wild Pokémon, and you can even pass down this awful stat to bred Pokémon. The thing that might be off however, is when ALL stats are at 0. When every single stat have the same number, the Pokémon can either be bred, or as Road explained it, RNG Abused. Otherwise, that Pokémon is hacked, because it is very unlikely that someone took their time to breed/RNG a Pokémon only to give it the worst stats in the world.

    Normally Pokémon have moslty different numbers in each stats. By looking quickly at your Pokémon, yes, it doesn't have really good stats, but they aren't suspicious at all!
    HP = 18 - 21
    Attack = 29 - 31
    Defense = 24 - 27
    Spec. Attack = 12 - 14
    Spec. Defense = 6 - 9
    Speed = 1 - 4
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      In addition, it comes from Kalos (5th Gen) where RNG was super easy to do, and since it has trash IVs it likely was a test or something. Since it had such little value they probably thought to just send it off (as a nice gift!).
      wait, you can RNG abuse in Kalos/6th gen games? so many people said it was difficult to RNG abuse in 6th generation games.
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        wait, you can RNG abuse in Kalos/6th gen games? so many people said it was difficult to RNG abuse in 6th generation games.
        ...Oh. Kalos. Kalos is 6th Gen. Unova was 5th Gen. I definitely did not forget.

        K so disregard everything I said about RNG, as it is not actually possible in 6th Gen. All that talk was indeed about UNOVA which is the ACTUAL 5th Gen, where RNG WAS possible and super easy.

        Still, the Milotic seems fine. To be from Kalos it would have to have been bred in XY, which is fine. Probably they were breeding for something decent and the Shiny popped out.

        Sorry for the confusion! You'd think I'd have everything straight but alas. @w@
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        Old May 19th, 2017 (3:53 PM). Edited May 19th, 2017 by MadamGlitch.
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          OK, I need help checking a shiny Golurk that I just got through a trade. All information is below:


          region of origin: Kalos

          I.V.s: Max in all stats

          Nature: Adamant

          Ability: Iron Fist

          Ribbons: Alola Champion Ribbon, Hoenn Champion Ribbon, Kalos Champion Ribbon, Contest Star Ribbon, Coolness Master Ribbon, Beauty Master Ribbon, Cuteness Master Ribbon, Cleverness Master Ribbon, Toughness Master Ribbon, Best Friends Ribbon, Effort Ribbon, Gorgeous Ribbon, Royal Ribbon, Gorgeous Royal Ribbon, Footprint Ribbon

          Where You Received it From: Wonder Trade

          OT/ID: Marlies<3; 31476

          Moveset: Earthquake, Shadow Punch, Ice Punch, Heavy Slam

          Stats: 381 Attack, 196 Defense, 209 Speed, 196 Special Defense, 131 Special Attack, 320 HP

          E.V. Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

          Level: 1oo

          Other Info: Has Pokerus
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            OK, I need help checking a shiny Golurk that I just got through a trade. All information is below:


            region of origin: Kalos

            I.V.s: Max in all stats

            Nature: Adamant

            Ability: Iron Fist

            Ribbons: Alola Champion Ribbon, Hoenn Champion Ribbon, Kalos Champion Ribbon, Contest Star Ribbon, Coolness Master Ribbon, Beauty Master Ribbon, Cuteness Master Ribbon, Cleverness Master Ribbon, Toughness Master Ribbon, Best Friends Ribbon, Effort Ribbon, Gorgeous Ribbon, Royal Ribbon, Gorgeous Royal Ribbon, Footprint Ribbon

            Where You Received it From: Wonder Trade

            OT/ID: Marlies<3; 31476

            Moveset: Earthquake, Shadow Punch, Ice Punch, Heavy Slam

            Stats: 381 Attack, 196 Defense, 209 Speed, 196 Special Defense, 131 Special Attack, 320 HP

            E.V. Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

            Level: 1oo

            Other Info: Has Pokerus
            Hmm, the combination of all those factors make me pretty sure it's hacked, especially since it came from WT. No results for the OT/ID so it's not from a Youtuber/streamer of some sort. Are all its contest stats maxed as well?
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            Since it has the Alola Champion ribbon I don't think they can check contest stats...right?
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              I'm not really sure how to check contest stuff since I got it in Sun
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                Since it has the Alola Champion ribbon I don't think they can check contest stats...right?
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                I'm not really sure how to check contest stuff since I got it in Sun
                Whoops, I didn't realize that. Still gonna call hax on it, seems too good to be true.
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                Whoops, I didn't realize that. Still gonna call hax on it, seems too good to be true.
                I agree with you, the ribbons are overkill
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                    That sucks. Thanks for helping me with this Pokemon.
                    Personally I don't think it's fair to definitively call hacks on that Golurk. Suspicious? Absolutely! But all of those ribbons are attainable without hacks. What makes it most suspicious to me is if someone went through all of that trouble to attain those ribbons on a shiny mon, ev train it, and max its lvl; why would they give it away so freely as to wondertrade it where it could possibly be attained by any trainer with the potential of cloning to put it into mass production. Should it be noted that it's extremely suspicious? Yes. Even require as a stipulation for trade that people are notified of the suspicion. Banned as a hack? I don't agree. Heck refer to my original shop or RNC's shop and see BOZO's Gyarados. It looks way to good to be true, but I took and still take RNC's word to the bank. I defer to our lovely TC mod Soapyyy because her word is law, but that's just my 2 cents.
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                    Personally I don't think it's fair to definitively call hacks on that Golurk. Suspicious? Absolutely! But all of those ribbons are attainable without hacks. What makes it most suspicious to me is if someone went through all of that trouble to attain those ribbons on a shiny mon, ev train it, and max its lvl; why would they give it away so freely as to wondertrade it where it could possibly be attained by any trainer with the potential of cloning to put it into mass production. Should it be noted that it's extremely suspicious? Yes. Even require as a stipulation for trade that people are notified of the suspicion. Banned as a hack? I don't agree. Heck refer to my original shop or RNC's shop and see BOZO's Gyarados. It looks way to good to be true, but I took and still take RNC's word to the bank. I defer to our lovely TC mod Soapyyy because her word is law, but that's just my 2 cents.
                    My word isn't an absolute however lol.
                    But active Pokérus + All those ribbons + EV train + 6IV + Wonder Trade is an extremely frequent pattern for hacks. While sure, all of that can be optained legitimately, but it is highly unlikely as you say, and I would rather not have those going around. As I stated in my hack checking guide, Shiny Pokémon from Wonder Trade and GTS should be treated very cautiously. ^-^;
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                      Got these 2 Pokemon in a Wonder Trade. Now, they seem legit at first look but I want to double check. They are a Level 100 Shiny Dialga and a Level 100 Shiny Volcarona. Now, I know it was possible to get a Shiny Dialga through an event which seems to be the case here, however the Volcarona is ... I'm not sure.

                      Volcarona - F - 100
                      Pokerus Black Pentagon
                      HP - 311
                      ATT - 113
                      DEF - 166
                      Sp.A - 369
                      Sp.D - 247
                      Spd - 328
                      Timid
                      Flame Body
                      Weakness Policy
                      Inside Luxury Ball

                      Dialga - N/A - 100
                      No Icon which would make sense as an Event Pokemon pre-Gen 6
                      HP - 404
                      ATT - 220
                      Def - 277
                      Sp.A - 438
                      Sp.D - 236
                      Spd - 216
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                      Pressure
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                        Got these 2 Pokemon in a Wonder Trade. Now, they seem legit at first look but I want to double check. They are a Level 100 Shiny Dialga and a Level 100 Shiny Volcarona. Now, I know it was possible to get a Shiny Dialga through an event which seems to be the case here, however the Volcarona is ... I'm not sure.

                        Volcarona - F - 100
                        Pokerus Black Pentagon
                        HP - 311
                        ATT - 113
                        DEF - 166
                        Sp.A - 369
                        Sp.D - 247
                        Spd - 328
                        Timid
                        Flame Body
                        Weakness Policy
                        Inside Luxury Ball

                        Dialga - N/A - 100
                        No Icon which would make sense as an Event Pokemon pre-Gen 6
                        HP - 404
                        ATT - 220
                        Def - 277
                        Sp.A - 438
                        Sp.D - 236
                        Spd - 216
                        Modest
                        Pressure
                        Adamant Orb
                        Inside Cherish Ball
                        According to calc, IVs are 31/1/31/31/31/31 for Volcarona. Suspicious but not outright impossible. Looks fine overall but would always be suspicious of WT stuff.

                        Shiny Dialga events have the Souvenir Ribbon which keeps it from being traded via Wonder Trade and GTS, so it is likely missing it and therefore is hacked.
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                          Yeah just checked and it has no ribbon, oh well damn :(

                          Thanks though
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                            Shiny Dedenne (Female) received on Sun/Moon Wonder Trade

                            Luxury Ball
                            Type Electric Fairy
                            Level 92 (Exp points 800,000. 4,357 to next level)
                            OT (Japanese Characters, can't say)
                            ID no 919692
                            HP 233
                            Attack 117
                            Defense 134
                            SP Atk 149
                            Sp Def 151
                            Speed 216

                            Nature Jolly
                            Ability Pickup
                            Held Item None
                            Characteristic Highly persistent

                            Moves
                            Tackle
                            Tail Whip

                            Egg received and apparently hatched: 4/10/2017, Paniola Ranch

                            Language JPN


                            (such a high level and only two moves, clearly a hack I'm sure)
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                              Shiny Bulbasaur (Male) received on Sun/Moon Wonder Trade

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                              Type Grass
                              Level 100, exp 1,059,860 (So can't even evolve him now, great!)
                              OT PKSM
                              ID no 993401
                              HP 231
                              Attack 134
                              Defense 134
                              SP Atk 166
                              Sp Def 166
                              Speed 126

                              Nature Quirky
                              Ability Overgrow
                              Held Item None

                              Moves
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                              Worry Seed
                              Synthesis
                              Seed Bomb

                              Egg received and apparently hatched 2/1/2017, Paniola Ranch

                              Language CHS
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                                Roadmart and Soapy.

                                Thanks for taking the time to reply (just saw these now).

                                I wanna try and beat battle tree which I've means I need to learn about this IV and EV stuff. Looks like a mission. Cheers for the explanations and I'll start researching it now. This is gonna be horrible hahaha.
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                                Old May 20th, 2017 (2:02 PM).
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                                Roadmart and Soapy.

                                Thanks for taking the time to reply (just saw these now).

                                I wanna try and beat battle tree which I've means I need to learn about this IV and EV stuff. Looks like a mission. Cheers for the explanations and I'll start researching it now. This is gonna be horrible hahaha.
                                Hey! I wish you luck if you need any help just send a Visitor Message my way, I'll gladly answer you!
                                I'm currently checking your Dedenne, but I can say with confidence that your Bulbasaur is hacked, because of the OT and Language. Firsty, because a quirk in the CHS language keyboard does not have our alphabet, it would look like there are spaces between each character (@RoadMart, feel free to add a Source, I can't find mine). Also, PKSM is the name of a Pokémon hack software. So that pretty much confirms it
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                                Old May 20th, 2017 (11:07 PM). Edited May 20th, 2017 by Road.
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                                  I'm currently checking your Dedenne, but I can say with confidence that your Bulbasaur is hacked, because of the OT and Language. Firsty, because a quirk in the CHS language keyboard does not have our alphabet, it would look like there are spaces between each character (@RoadMart, feel free to add a Source, I can't find mine). Also, PKSM is the name of a Pokémon hack software. So that pretty much confirms it
                                  Actually, the language is not as much of a factor. Remember that language is set on the egg (when received from the Day Care), so it could have been bred on a CHS game, then traded over to an ENG game and hatched there.
                                  What Soaps is referring to with the different alphabet tho you can see in the OT of my Sceptile here (shown on ORAS but still valid in the newer games). Asian games (JPN/CHS/CHN/KOR) use full-width alphanumeric vs the half-width that Western games use. (Looks like THIS rather than THIS.)

                                  Still, the OT being the hacking program is a bigger indication, so yeah, probably still not good.
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                                    Thanks again gentlemen, I appreciate it.

                                    I will be deleting any obviously hacked shinies and not trading/sending them back to the wonder trade. It defeats the purpose of shinies in first place and it's pretty sad that hacking culture has ruined shiny collecting.

                                    I'll keep coming back to this thread when I need to!
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                                      I wanted to ask regarding the date received section of an event pokemon. The date received will always be the date that is on your 3ds system irrespective of the actual date right?

                                      For example, if an event has the start and end dates as 13 May 2017 to 25 June 2017. While receiving and picking the event the date on my 3ds is 8 May. The event pokemon will have the received date of 8 May?

                                      Does it affect the legitimacy of the event pokemon in anyway? Thank you.
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                                        Hey guys, I'm coming in with a question for you all. When you transfer legitimate Gen 3 events all the way up to Sun/Moon, does a legitimate event state that it "[s]eems to have traveled across both space and time to reach you from the Hoenn/Kanto region," or does it say that it "[a] fateful encounter seems to have led it across space and time to reach you from the Hoenn/Kanto Region?"

                                        I'm having a hard time differentiating between some events of mine to ensure for 100% legitimacy (though everything else passes the smell test), as I've got a Wishmaker Shiny Jirachi here with the latter description, but a regular Wishmaker Jirachi with the former description. Furthermore, I noticed that my Mattle Ho-Oh has the latter description. I looked at my Channel Jirachi, Ageto Celebi, and Rocks 2005 Metang, and they all have the former description.

                                        I'm not sure what may be hacked or not, or if the "fateful encounter" tag is only applicable to some certain Gen 3 events (eg. Jirachi, Mattle Ho-Oh, etc.). This is giving me a headache, and to sort of answer my own question, I ended up buying a Colosseum Jirachi Bonus Disc to test it out myself, but I won't be able to do that until the next week or two. I'm also going to be playing through Colosseum to get Mattle Ho-Oh myself, but I wanted to ask everyone here first before I go through all of this hassle lol.

                                        What has your experience been with Gen 3 events and the "fateful encounter" tag? Usually, I don't like trading Gen 3 events because of this hassle, but I figure it's better to just get as educated as I can about them for the future.
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                                        Old June 4th, 2017 (4:59 PM). Edited June 4th, 2017 by Road.
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                                          I wanted to ask regarding the date received section of an event pokemon. The date received will always be the date that is on your 3ds system irrespective of the actual date right?

                                          For example, if an event has the start and end dates as 13 May 2017 to 25 June 2017. While receiving and picking the event the date on my 3ds is 8 May. The event pokemon will have the received date of 8 May?

                                          Does it affect the legitimacy of the event pokemon in anyway? Thank you.
                                          Yes, obtained date is determined by when it is received from the guy in the PC. Most event traders do not care about date, as long as it is within the distribution period. Most also prefer the Pokemon not to have the date of the first day of the event, as most Powersaved events have Wonder Cards for those dates. (This was more easily tracked in 6th Gen when the Pokemon had the same date as their WC date, but now those are split so I'm not sure how valid it is. Would still recommend not receiving stuff on the first day even if you can, UNLESS you have some way to provide full proof of the Pokemon's legitimacy.)

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                                          Originally Posted by Flan View Post
                                          Hey guys, I'm coming in with a question for you all. When you transfer legitimate Gen 3 events all the way up to Sun/Moon, does a legitimate event state that it "[s]eems to have traveled across both space and time to reach you from the Hoenn/Kanto region," or does it say that it "[a] fateful encounter seems to have led it across space and time to reach you from the Hoenn/Kanto Region?"

                                          I'm having a hard time differentiating between some events of mine to ensure for 100% legitimacy (though everything else passes the smell test), as I've got a Wishmaker Shiny Jirachi here with the latter description, but a regular Wishmaker Jirachi with the former description. Furthermore, I noticed that my Mattle Ho-Oh has the latter description. I looked at my Channel Jirachi, Ageto Celebi, and Rocks 2005 Metang, and they all have the former description.

                                          I'm not sure what may be hacked or not, or if the "fateful encounter" tag is only applicable to some certain Gen 3 events (eg. Jirachi, Mattle Ho-Oh, etc.). This is giving me a headache, and to sort of answer my own question, I ended up buying a Colosseum Jirachi Bonus Disc to test it out myself, but I won't be able to do that until the next week or two. I'm also going to be playing through Colosseum to get Mattle Ho-Oh myself, but I wanted to ask everyone here first before I go through all of this hassle lol.

                                          What has your experience been with Gen 3 events and the "fateful encounter" tag? Usually, I don't like trading Gen 3 events because of this hassle, but I figure it's better to just get as educated as I can about them for the future.
                                          Good question, and luckily I have a solid answer! Thanks to combined efforts with HaxAras, a trader on here that does a lot of 3rd Gen event collection, we have determined that, when transferred to higher gens, 3rd Gen Event Pokemon should not have the "fateful encounter" tag. I'm pretty sure this extends to ALL 3rd Gen events, whether they were IRL distributions such as PCNY or 10th Anniversary, or game distributions such as Wishmaker Jirachi.

                                          We checked the data of the Pokemon as displayed in 3rd Gen, and what it literally says is "Met at fateful encounter." So, it'S MET location is set to "(in) a fateful encounter" rather than having any sort of tag. (Pretty sure "fateful encounter" tag came in 4th Gen, since so far I haven't heard any word of any of the 3rd Gen events having it, just that as the met location.) Bulbapedia and Serebii actually reflect this information; on Bulbapedia they are listed as "Met in a fateful encounter when at Lv XX." and on Serebii it lists "Event. Met at Lv. XX."

                                          tl;dr All 3rd Gen events should have the first listing. If it has the "fateful encounter" tag, it is a hack.
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