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Old February 10th, 2018 (2:38 AM).
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While there's a chance the episode title could be misleading, I still think Passimian would make a nice Pokemon for Ash's team since he usually tends to catch a Fighting-type.
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Old February 13th, 2018 (4:42 AM). Edited February 13th, 2018 by IcyIce.
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    While there's a chance the episode title could be misleading, I still think Passimian would make a nice Pokemon for Ash's team since he usually tends to catch a Fighting-type.
    Agree. Passimian was the fighting pokemon alongside of a Crabrawler I would have thought he would catch, but there hasn't really been a connection to him or a Crabrawler in any episodes that they are in, so I don't think he will catch a Crabrawler. I think he would have by now if that was the case.

    Bewear is basically off limits since it is more of a Team Rocket pokemon, even though they haven't caught it.

    That leaves Passimian. I cannot find the thing that lead me to believe he was a candidate for Ash to catch, but I am sure it is somewhere in this thread or another thread. I will see if I can find it again.

    We also have Jangmo-o, but I don't see him catching another Pseudo Pokemon so soon.

    Also, in the newest opening, the Passimian are seen running at the start of the opening which is a bit random compared to the rest of the opening. May not be anything, but I think it is worth mentioning.


    Edit: Found it. Directly from Pokemon.com
    https://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-ca/pokemon/passimian/

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    Passimian live in troops of 20 to 30 individuals, all following a leader. This leader will take 10 of the individuals in the best condition to search for food. The troop’s teamwork is strong, and the boss of each troop decides what mark members will wear on their arms to distinguish the troops.

    The boss puts the troop members through training to improve their coordination with one another and their skill in handling Berries. Apparently this training is so hard that some Passimian end up running away.

    Lobbing Berries at foes is how Passimian attack. They sometimes work in coordination with others, passing Berries back and forth to bewilder their opponents. Passimian don’t just pitch hard Berries at opponents, either—they also have a technique that uses soft Berries to obscure their opponent’s ability to see.

    Passimian wants its Trainer to have the qualities of a leader as well. It watches a Trainer’s form closely when he or she throws Poké Balls, and will not listen to the orders of a Trainer with poor form.

    Passimian has a new Ability, Receiver, which no other Pokémon has previously had. With the Receiver Ability, this Pokémon can inherit the Ability of an ally who faints in battle.
    This is why I have always thought Ash would probably catch a Passimian, but we will see.
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      Agree. Passimian was the fighting pokemon alongside of a Crabrawler I would have thought he would catch, but there hasn't really been a connection to him or a Crabrawler in any episodes that they are in, so I don't think he will catch a Crabrawler. I think he would have by now if that was the case.

      Bewear is basically off limits since it is more of a Team Rocket pokemon, even though they haven't caught it.

      That leaves Passimian. I cannot find the thing that lead me to believe he was a candidate for Ash to catch, but I am sure it is somewhere in this thread or another thread. I will see if I can find it again.

      We also have Jangmo-o, but I don't see him catching another Pseudo Pokemon so soon.

      Also, in the newest opening, the Passimian are seen running at the start of the opening which is a bit random compared to the rest of the opening. May not be anything, but I think it is worth mentioning.


      Edit: Found it. Directly from Pokemon.com
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      This is why I have always thought Ash would probably catch a Passimian, but we will see.
      While Ash is indeed a possibility, the line that struck me was Passimian wanting a Trainer with "Leadership Qualities". Now of the six protagonists, who among them is considered the "quasi-Leader"? Answer: Mallow. I would not be surprised, and honestly thrilled, if Mallow was to capture one. Only other possibility would be Lillie but I don't think her inexperience meshes with this Pokemon(much less Fighting Types).
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      Apparently it looks like Litten will evolve in the next episode, and Incineroar will also make its debut in the main anime. Yes it did appear in M20, but that's a separate thing.
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        Apparently it looks like Litten will evolve in the next episode, and Incineroar will also make its debut in the main anime. Yes it did appear in M20, but that's a separate thing.
        If you're correct on your guess then I'm going to make one for a future Episode. I'm going to call it now that when Aia and Kana(the two Sea Tribe people(too similar to Avatar's Water Tribe for my liking...)) who helped Lana master Hydro Vortex return to the anime that Lana's Popplio will evolve to Brionne. Largely because I expect Aia's Brionne to have evolved into Primarina, hence there will be similarities between the two Episodes.

        Granted it'd be more development for Lana, all the while leaving Mallow to wallow with a single Pokemon that hasn't even reached its final Evolution. I swear its a freaking crime with how Mallow has been handled.
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        I figured this would make for a good discussion.

        So, what you're seeing in this link is a popularity poll regarding 7th Gen Pokemon and human characters that was recently done in Japan, with Rowlet and Lillie topping the list for Pokemon and humans respectively. Here's the lists below if you're interested in the results.

        Top 6 Pokemon:
        1. Rowlet
        2. Mimikyu
        3. Primarina
        4. Vulpix (Alola Form)
        5. Lycanroc (Dusk Form)
        6. Raichu (Alola Form)

        Top 8 human characters:
        1. Lillie
        2. Gladion
        3. Moon/Selene (7th Gen female player character fyi)
        4. Acerola
        5. Lana
        6. Guzma
        7. Nanu
        8. Hau

        So, with this list I feel my prediction for Ash's Rowlet not evolving at all has gotten a little bit more credit because while Decidueye is popular in Japan, the fact it didn't make the Top 6 (while Primarina did), Rowlet's personality being comedy relief, along with Rowlet being a case of a starter that is more marketable than its evolutions (similar to say, Oshawott and Piplup) I think I will come to the conclusion that Rowlet will stay as he is, while Litten/Torracat will eventually evolve to Incineroar despite being the least favoured final stage Alolan starter in Japan.
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          I figured this would make for a good discussion.

          So, what you're seeing in this link is a popularity poll regarding 7th Gen Pokemon and human characters that was recently done in Japan, with Rowlet and Lillie topping the list for Pokemon and humans respectively. Here's the lists below if you're interested in the results.

          Top 6 Pokemon:
          1. Rowlet
          2. Mimikyu
          3. Primarina
          4. Vulpix (Alola Form)
          5. Lycanroc (Dusk Form)
          6. Raichu (Alola Form)

          Top 8 human characters:
          1. Lillie
          2. Gladion
          3. Moon/Selene (7th Gen female player character fyi)
          4. Acerola
          5. Lana
          6. Guzma
          7. Nanu
          8. Hau

          So, with this list I feel my prediction for Ash's Rowlet not evolving at all has gotten a little bit more credit because while Decidueye is popular in Japan, the fact it didn't make the Top 6 (while Primarina did), Rowlet's personality being comedy relief, along with Rowlet being a case of a starter that is more marketable than its evolutions (similar to say, Oshawott and Piplup) I think I will come to the conclusion that Rowlet will stay as he is, while Litten/Torracat will eventually evolve to Incineroar despite being the least favoured final stage Alolan starter in Japan.
          With regards to starter Pokemon, Ash has pretty much had at least one starter fully evolve(Johto and Unova excluded of course). Your prediction was right though, although its not surprising when you think about it. I expect a capture(for Ash or someone in the group) in the next few Episodes though. Its way overdue when you think about it.
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          With regards to starter Pokemon, Ash has pretty much had at least one starter fully evolve(Johto and Unova excluded of course). Your prediction was right though, although its not surprising when you think about it. I expect a capture(for Ash or someone in the group) in the next few Episodes though. Its way overdue when you think about it.
          Considering he interacts with Passimian in the next episode, I'd be shocked if it went uncaught. Also, I think the poll likely predicts Snowy will not evolve due to marketing, much like my speculation with Rowlet.

          And we're still overdue with the girls capture-wise. Mallow, Lillie and Lana still all only have one Pokemon. The fact Primarina placed third in that poll could see a possibility for Lana's Popplio evolving, but if 8th Gen gets officially announced in the months ahead, we could kiss hope of a Popplio evolution goodbye.
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            Considering he interacts with Passimian in the next episode, I'd be shocked if it went uncaught. Also, I think the poll likely predicts Snowy will not evolve due to marketing, much like my speculation with Rowlet.

            And we're still overdue with the girls capture-wise. Mallow, Lillie and Lana still all only have one Pokemon. The fact Primarina placed third in that poll could see a possibility for Lana's Popplio evolving, but if 8th Gen gets officially announced in the months ahead, we could kiss hope of a Popplio evolution goodbye.
            Primarina can come from Ida's Brionne evolving as opposed to Lana's Popplio evolving all the way to its final form. That said... I agree 100% on the lack of captures for Lillie, Lana and Mallow. They highlighted Mallow's lack of Pokemon in Episode 39 and she's still yet to capture a Pokemon. Lillie not catching a 2nd Pokemon despite being a pivotal Female character is rather embarrassing and Lana at least has a Z-Ring/Z-Move to fall back on compared to the other two. I circled Episode 66 since we may be seeing an old Pokemon in the form of Abipom(Ping-Pong anyone?).
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            Primarina can come from Ida's Brionne evolving as opposed to Lana's Popplio evolving all the way to its final form. That said... I agree 100% on the lack of captures for Lillie, Lana and Mallow. They highlighted Mallow's lack of Pokemon in Episode 39 and she's still yet to capture a Pokemon. Lillie not catching a 2nd Pokemon despite being a pivotal Female character is rather embarrassing and Lana at least has a Z-Ring/Z-Move to fall back on compared to the other two. I circled Episode 66 since we may be seeing an old Pokemon in the form of Abipom(Ping-Pong anyone?).
            So you're guessing Ida's Brionne may evolve while Lana gets struck with the Piplup curse and gets left with just Popplio? I do agree that Lillie being the main female lacking a second capture is pretty weird, and I once thought Serena was only going to finish with two Pokemon, at least until Eevee came in.

            And wait, Ambipom in SM066?
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              So you're guessing Ida's Brionne may evolve while Lana gets struck with the Piplup curse and gets left with just Popplio? I do agree that Lillie being the main female lacking a second capture is pretty weird, and I once thought Serena was only going to finish with two Pokemon, at least until Eevee came in.

              And wait, Ambipom in SM066?
              Yeah Lana might get the Piplup curse if that is such a thing. The real eye-raiser for lack of captures is for Lillie and Mallow. Lillie because she's arguably the main female lead, hence she should have captured one by now(fear or no fear) while Mallow's lack of Pokemon was highlighted in Episode 39 and she's yet to capture one. As for Ambipom, I read Episode 66's descrption of Ping-Pong and was like... ok that rings a familiar bell. May have nothing to do with it but who knows. Would be an odd way to shoehorn in Dawn if I'm right. Besides, Ambipom fits the comedic nonsense of Sun&Moon when you think about it.
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                Yeah Lana might get the Piplup curse if that is such a thing. The real eye-raiser for lack of captures is for Lillie and Mallow. Lillie because she's arguably the main female lead, hence she should have captured one by now(fear or no fear) while Mallow's lack of Pokemon was highlighted in Episode 39 and she's yet to capture one. As for Ambipom, I read Episode 66's descrption of Ping-Pong and was like... ok that rings a familiar bell. May have nothing to do with it but who knows. Would be an odd way to shoehorn in Dawn if I'm right. Besides, Ambipom fits the comedic nonsense of Sun&Moon when you think about it.
                If Ambipom shows up and its actually the one Ash had, that be pretty cool.

                I hope Ash gets that Passimian, and if he does, then where does that Alolan Sandshrew come into play?
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                Yeah Lana might get the Piplup curse if that is such a thing. The real eye-raiser for lack of captures is for Lillie and Mallow. Lillie because she's arguably the main female lead, hence she should have captured one by now(fear or no fear) while Mallow's lack of Pokemon was highlighted in Episode 39 and she's yet to capture one. As for Ambipom, I read Episode 66's descrption of Ping-Pong and was like... ok that rings a familiar bell. May have nothing to do with it but who knows. Would be an odd way to shoehorn in Dawn if I'm right. Besides, Ambipom fits the comedic nonsense of Sun&Moon when you think about it.
                The Piplup Curse is what I dub a situation where a Pokemon is prevented from evolving by the writers due to marketing.
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                  The Piplup Curse is what I dub a situation where a Pokemon is prevented from evolving by the writers due to marketing.
                  I wouldn't call it the Piplup curse. I'd call it the Spaceballs curse due to the movie's infamous line: "Merchandising. Where the real money from the movie is made." That's why Pokemon has lasted as long as it has because certain Pokemon merchandise move faster than others. If it means a Pokemon has to stay a tier 1 for "Marketing purposes", can you blame them? They've been doing that since Day 1 with Squirtle, Bulbasaur and other Pokemon Ash has had over the years.
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                  I wouldn't call it the Piplup curse. I'd call it the Spaceballs curse due to the movie's infamous line: "Merchandising. Where the real money from the movie is made." That's why Pokemon has lasted as long as it has because certain Pokemon merchandise move faster than others. If it means a Pokemon has to stay a tier 1 for "Marketing purposes", can you blame them? They've been doing that since Day 1 with Squirtle, Bulbasaur and other Pokemon Ash has had over the years.
                  It's just that Piplup being given an Everstone made it a huge issue. It was when fans noticed that episode was done as a ratings trap (Piplup's attempted evolution) but preventing any evolution in the future because of marketing purposes.
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                    It's just that Piplup being given an Everstone made it a huge issue. It was when fans noticed that episode was done as a ratings trap (Piplup's attempted evolution) but preventing any evolution in the future because of marketing purposes.
                    That any different than the Secret Garden involving Bulbasaur back in Season 1? I'm just saying its nothing new and its to be expected. I will admit though that Piplup is probably the most high profile of all the non-evolved Pokemon though considering the hype behind its "Evolution".
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                    That any different than the Secret Garden involving Bulbasaur back in Season 1? I'm just saying its nothing new and its to be expected. I will admit though that Piplup is probably the most high profile of all the non-evolved Pokemon though considering the hype behind its "Evolution".
                    Well, some Pokemon anime YouTubers have made some videos on why they think Rowlet won't evolve.



                    KGPrestige made this video regarding the 7th Gen popularity poll in Japan. Notice that in the Pokemon list, both Primarina and Incineroar made the Top 14 but Decidueye didn't. So maybe it's actually Decidueye who's the least popular final stage starter over there and not Incineroar. But you can easily see why Rowlet won, because it has a very marketable design that extremely appeals to kids.



                    PokemonRangerBoy12 even gave his own input as to why he think Rowlet may or may not evolve, and he has two points going against Rowlet having an evolution, mostly because of marketing and because Rowlet's personality may be ruined if he evolves.
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                      I didn't watch those videos but I have an idea on what the reasoning is.

                      And I'm honestly sick of it. Surprised? No. Sick of it? HELL YES.

                      I could care less if Decidueye is popular or not. Because, for me, IT'S THE BEST FULLY EVOLVED STARTER IN 7TH GEN. Not only that I also pretty much consider it BEST 7TH GEN POKEMON PERIOD.

                      This gen has been a joke for me honestly. The games were lackadaisical with the only redeeming factor being the story. TRIALS ARE BORING. GYMS ARE BETTER. Most of the Pokemon seemed to be created either last minute or half-assed most of the time.

                      The only good ones, for me, were pretty much the starters and their evolutions.

                      This 'popularity' crap is really starting to get ridiculous and get on my last nerves at this point. I could care less about that crap. But obviously that's all shows/animes/etc. care about anymore. How far things have fallen. Whatever happened to quality mattering more? *sighs* :shaking-head-no:

                      Decidueye WOULD HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN ASH'S FIRST GHOST TYPE. (Haunter doesn't count because it was never actually 'caught' and was just temporary)

                      So the fact that this is happening AGAIN is just infuriating. It's the same damn situation as Oshawott from BW. I wanted it to evolve all the way to Samurott YET IT DIDN'T. I didn't care much for Oshawott's personality and the same goes for Rowlet.

                      Rant aside... this is another ridiculous sorry ass excuse to not give Ash a final evolved starter.
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                        I didn't watch those videos but I have an idea on what the reasoning is.

                        And I'm honestly sick of it. Surprised? No. Sick of it? HELL YES.

                        I could care less if Decidueye is popular or not. Because, for me, IT'S THE BEST FULLY EVOLVED STARTER IN 7TH GEN. Not only that I also pretty much consider it BEST 7TH GEN POKEMON PERIOD.

                        This gen has been a joke for me honestly. The games were lackadaisical with the only redeeming factor being the story. TRIALS ARE BORING. GYMS ARE BETTER. Most of the Pokemon seemed to be created either last minute or half-assed most of the time.

                        The only good ones, for me, were pretty much the starters and their evolutions.

                        This 'popularity' crap is really starting to get ridiculous and get on my last nerves at this point. I could care less about that crap. But obviously that's all shows/animes/etc. care about anymore. How far things have fallen. Whatever happened to quality mattering more? *sighs* :shaking-head-no:

                        Decidueye WOULD HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN ASH'S FIRST GHOST TYPE. (Haunter doesn't count because it was never actually 'caught' and was just temporary)

                        So the fact that this is happening AGAIN is just infuriating. It's the same damn situation as Oshawott from BW. I wanted it to evolve all the way to Samurott YET IT DIDN'T. I didn't care much for Oshawott's personality and the same goes for Rowlet.

                        Rant aside... this is another ridiculous sorry ass excuse to not give Ash a final evolved starter.
                        You do know that popularity has been with Pokemon since day 1. If memory serves, Charizard was the most popular final Evolution among the Kanto starters. It wasn't a coincidence that Charmander eventually evolved into Charizard. Who's to say that won't be the case again here in Sun&Moon where Torracat eventually evolves into Incineroar while the other two starters stay in their base forms(just like Kanto). My suspicion though is that we'll get another Black&White scenario where instead of fully evolving, Torracat will remain as is while the other starters stay at their initial stage just like Oshawott and Snivy.

                        That being said, if that does happen, it'd be yet another blow to Sun&Moon. I already have it etched in stone as the worst series to date and this would only add fuel to my argument. I also agree with you that Ash has yet to get a Ghost Type, Steel type or Fairy Type(granted last one was introduced in XY). All the more reason I want Ash to get to Ula'Ula Island already so that he can catch some Ice Types like Sandshrew(that'd be his first Steel type as well), Vulpix(which through evolution can garner his first Fairy Type) or Sneasel. Heck I'd even go for an Eevee(he's overdue for one) but odds are if an Eevee joins the group by catch or egg it'd likely go to Lillie.
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                        You do know that popularity has been with Pokemon since day 1. If memory serves, Charizard was the most popular final Evolution among the Kanto starters. It wasn't a coincidence that Charmander eventually evolved into Charizard. Who's to say that won't be the case again here in Sun&Moon where Torracat eventually evolves into Incineroar while the other two starters stay in their base forms(just like Kanto). My suspicion though is that we'll get another Black&White scenario where instead of fully evolving, Torracat will remain as is while the other starters stay at their initial stage just like Oshawott and Snivy.

                        That being said, if that does happen, it'd be yet another blow to Sun&Moon. I already have it etched in stone as the worst series to date and this would only add fuel to my argument. I also agree with you that Ash has yet to get a Ghost Type, Steel type or Fairy Type(granted last one was introduced in XY). All the more reason I want Ash to get to Ula'Ula Island already so that he can catch some Ice Types like Sandshrew(that'd be his first Steel type as well), Vulpix(which through evolution can garner his first Fairy Type) or Sneasel. Heck I'd even go for an Eevee(he's overdue for one) but odds are if an Eevee joins the group by catch or egg it'd likely go to Lillie.
                        I do think you have a point that SM will end like Kanto and Unova did, where only the Fire-type starter evolved. If it ends like Kanto with Torracat evolving to Incineroar, I'll be fine with that since Ash looked more worthy to get Incineroar than Decidueye, plus Ash was shown on Incineroar's concept art. It is so sickening that Rowlet is sadly confirmed to be the new Oshawott or Piplup, a Pokemon whose cute design is so popular that it prevents evolution in any circumstance possible, all because said cute design is milked to sell toys.

                        But if it ends like Unova and stays as Torracat, then I can agree that it's sunk to a level that's as bad as Unova. Having like, only three Pokemon on the main cast even evolve is very lame, especially if the girls (Lillie, Lana, Mallow) all end the generation with no additional captures. It's already looking bad for Lillie and Lana at this stage, since their only Pokemon will both likely be prevented from evolving due to merchandise reasons. While Primarina did place at number 3 on the poll, it's more likely that Ida will showcase it than Lana. It would also sadly confirm Lana as a Dawn 2.0, a female blue-haired main character who owns a Water-type starter that goes against evolution solely because of marketing.

                        Which is worse, BW's problem of Ash having a huge team of underdeveloped Pokemon, or SM's problem of the resident main cast in general suffering a severe lack of evolutions and captures due to stupid marketing? I'd say the latter, because it annoys me a lot when a Pokemon I wanted to evolve is prevented from doing so because of merchandise or being more appealing than the evolutions are.

                        And of course, the darn latest episode title trolled us... ASH DID NOT CATCH THAT PASSIMIAN!
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                          At this point, I am starting to drift away from the Sun and Moon anime to a point where I just want it to end which has never happened before. We have seen I think every pokemon, but Ultra Beasts and no one has still caught anything since the first 20 or so episodes other than Kiawe.
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                          At this point, I am starting to drift away from the Sun and Moon anime to a point where I just want it to end which has never happened before. We have seen I think every pokemon, but Ultra Beasts and no one has still caught anything since the first 20 or so episodes other than Kiawe.
                          I do agree that SM has had a lot of disappointments, especially with the main cast's notable lack of captures. Lillie, Lana and Mallow are all in desperate need of a new Pokemon, plus it's not right for Ash to keep hogging everything at the expense of them.

                          It does also annoy me that Rowlet is going down the path of Piplup and Oshawott, a cute starter Pokemon whose cute base form is so popular that it basically prevents it from evolving because of merchandise. That's a very lame excuse to not make a Pokemon evolve, and shows just how much the anime serves as a huge advertisement to begin with.
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                            I do think you have a point that SM will end like Kanto and Unova did, where only the Fire-type starter evolved. If it ends like Kanto with Torracat evolving to Incineroar, I'll be fine with that since Ash looked more worthy to get Incineroar than Decidueye, plus Ash was shown on Incineroar's concept art. It is so sickening that Rowlet is sadly confirmed to be the new Oshawott or Piplup, a Pokemon whose cute design is so popular that it prevents evolution in any circumstance possible, all because said cute design is milked to sell toys.

                            But if it ends like Unova and stays as Torracat, then I can agree that it's sunk to a level that's as bad as Unova. Having like, only three Pokemon on the main cast even evolve is very lame, especially if the girls (Lillie, Lana, Mallow) all end the generation with no additional captures. It's already looking bad for Lillie and Lana at this stage, since their only Pokemon will both likely be prevented from evolving due to merchandise reasons. While Primarina did place at number 3 on the poll, it's more likely that Ida will showcase it than Lana. It would also sadly confirm Lana as a Dawn 2.0, a female blue-haired main character who owns a Water-type starter that goes against evolution solely because of marketing.

                            Which is worse, BW's problem of Ash having a huge team of underdeveloped Pokemon, or SM's problem of the resident main cast in general suffering a severe lack of evolutions and captures due to stupid marketing? I'd say the latter, because it annoys me a lot when a Pokemon I wanted to evolve is prevented from doing so because of merchandise or being more appealing than the evolutions are.

                            And of course, the darn latest episode title trolled us... ASH DID NOT CATCH THAT PASSIMIAN!
                            Could have told you, and bet real money that he wasn't going to catch it. What I think is eye-raising to me is that in Black&White, his maturity level was pretty low compared to previous Seasons/regions(Kanto not withstanding, although I'd cut him slack in Kanto being that he was just starting out). In the latest Episode, they've not only reduced his maturity level but now he may have actually devolved into a more primitive form. I mean I suppose it fits the slapstick comedy narrative of the series so far but its an agony to watch and reminds me sooooo much of the Teen Titans Go Episode involving Control Freak(wherein PRB12 made a Crack video taking that Episode's audio and comparing S&M to XY/XYZ. See Spoiler below).

                            Also, I think we're going to get a Kanto region result simply because Kakui's Incineroar is a rival for Ash's Torracat. There will be an Episode that causes it to evolve into its final form sooner or later. If it doesn't, Arceus help this series(much less the Franchise) because a Unova result would be unthinkable. S&M is already getting ripped to shreds and to have Ash get a result worse than Unova with regards to Team Evolutions would be catastrophic.

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                              Well, some Pokemon anime YouTubers have made some videos on why they think Rowlet won't evolve.



                              KGPrestige made this video regarding the 7th Gen popularity poll in Japan. Notice that in the Pokemon list, both Primarina and Incineroar made the Top 14 but Decidueye didn't. So maybe it's actually Decidueye who's the least popular final stage starter over there and not Incineroar. But you can easily see why Rowlet won, because it has a very marketable design that extremely appeals to kids.



                              PokemonRangerBoy12 even gave his own input as to why he think Rowlet may or may not evolve, and he has two points going against Rowlet having an evolution, mostly because of marketing and because Rowlet's personality may be ruined if he evolves.
                              If Decidueye isn't popular than why was it chosen to appear in Pokken Tournament over Incineroar and Primarina? Especially since Incineroar was a better fit for the game.
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                                If Decidueye isn't popular than why was it chosen to appear in Pokken Tournament over Incineroar and Primarina? Especially since Incineroar was a better fit for the game.
                                I can't speak for the creators behind the game but the poll that the Poketubers cite is for Japan. What's popular in Japan doesn't necessarily translate to the rest of the world. That means if you're looking to make a video game on Pokemon, particularly for non-Japan markets like the USA, you take that into consideration. For all I know it was sheer coincidence or luck that Decidueye was chosen over its other regional starters.

                                Im just waiting for the Female protagonists to catch a Pokemon already. If they go the entire series without a catch, I will boycott the Anime.
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