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Interest Check: Town of Salem

metroid711

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Yo!
Once the Pokewolves game is done i had an idea for a game.
I used to play a game called Town of Salem, it got boring and repetitive for me so i quit.
After finding this i thought it would be cool to.....port, you could say town of salem to the Underground and edit it around the rules here so it would be fun still.
Town of Salem has different roles from most other games, some of these different roles i would have to remove because it wouldnt work.
So any thoughts?
 
jombii

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You could post a more in-depth explanation on how your game would work for those of us who haven't play ToS or for clarification.
 
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Home said:
You could post a more in-depth explanation on how your game would work for those of us who haven't play ToS or for clarification.
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Well in town of salem there are three groups,
Townies
Mafia
And Neutral

In the original Town of salem, during the day you discuss with each other. Then they vote to put people up on trial.
The person must then give a short speech and then everyone else votes guilty or innocent.
They are lynched if they get the most guilty votes, they live if they get enough innocent votes.
If it is a tie they live.
It then turns to night the mafia can kill.
The townies can do whatever abilities they have.
Some neutrals can kill, while some do nothing.

Each group has special ways to win, townies must kill the mafia and any evil neutral roles.
Mafia must kill all townies and any Neutral killing roles.
Neutrals each have their own specific way of winning.

Whichever is left completing their special way to win, wins the game.

There are wills which people right information in to help lead people who the evil ones are.
I will be removing them because it wouldnt work.
I will also be removing the guilty/inno phase and just make it how voting is normally on here.

Be aware this first game of mine will kinda be a test so i can take notes off it for any future games i make.

Good Day!
 
jombii

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So the only difference between the games we are usually playing here as to your revised ToS game is the roles? What kind of roles would there be?
 
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Home said:
So the only difference between the games we are usually playing here as to your revised ToS game is the roles? What kind of roles would there be?
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Im glad you asked!

Townie roles:

investigator: checks someone, gets clues on their roles

Lookout: its the watcher role but with a different name

Sheriff: Cop role

Vampire hunter: visits one person each night, if they're a vamp they are then staked an killed

veteran: they have three chances to go on alert at night, whoever visits them while they're on alert gets killed, even if they're innocent.

Vigilante: has three bullets to shoot people, if they shoot an inno they kill themselves the next night.

Bodyguard: chooses to protect someone each night. If their target is attacked they die and take the attacker with them.

Doctor: exactly like the normal doctor

Escort: each night chooses someone and that target is unable to use their role abilities.

Medium: can speak with the dead (gonna make a private chat for that)

Retributionist: can revive one dead town member.

Transporter: can switch two players places

Mafia roles:

Framer: can frame a person (if someone is framed and during the same night they are framed, they are checked by sheriff or investigator, they come up as mafia.)

Janitor: can clean up to 3 people. Players who are cleaned in the graveyard, their roles are left anonymous and only the janitor knows what their role is.

Godfather: kills someone each night

Mafioso: carries out the Godfather's orders. (kills in the godfathers place.)

blackmailer: can blackmail one person per night. that person cant speak (post) until the day after.

consigliere: can get the exact role of a person every night

consort: exactly what an escort does

neutral roles:

amnesiac: can become the role of a person in the graveyard.

Survivor: has 4 vests when he puts on a vest at night and he is attacked that night, he survives.

Vampire: can turn one person per night into a vampire.

executioner: must trick the town into lynching a single target thats innocent.

jester: must trick town into lynching himself. if he is successfully lynched he has a choice to haunt one person and kill them.

witch: controls someone each night. she can use a person to target another person.

arsonist: can douse someone in gas each night. will have a choice one night to ignite everyone who he doused.

Werewolf: on a full moon (every other night) he becomes a rampaging werewolf and rampages at a target's house. he kills the target and everyone who visits the
werewolf's target.
 
jombii

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hmmm. I only see somethings that are different than what we are playing here.

I just think that it is a bit mafia-sided, given the number of mafia PRs in play. Also, how can the bulletproof be TP? What's the win condition?
 
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Home said:
hmmm. I only see somethings that are different than what we are playing here.

I just think that it is a bit mafia-sided, given the number of mafia PRs in play. Also, how can the bulletproof be TP? What's the win condition?
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For the one sided comment here is the list of roles that are usable in one game.
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the win condition is specific for each neutral.
the town must kill all mafia and neutral killing to win.
the mafia must kill all neutral killing and town to win.
 
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Yeah, how can the survivor win? Is it survive until the end? The role description doesn't say that so I just assume lol.

The numbers looks weird. As it looks like it's 8-3-3 right? Let's say that on:

N0: Mafia kills, bringing number to 7-3-3.
D1: Mislynch, bringing number to 6-3-3
N1: Mafia kills, bringing number to 5-3-3
D2: it's a MYLO already, since if they mislynched, it's 4-3-3, then the mafia kill, bringing it to 3-3-3 (assuming no TP is killed in the process)

I think increasing the number of town would be good. Or just put in one TP in the form of a vampire or something, then put the two remaining TP to town.
 
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Home said:
Yeah, how can the survivor win? Is it survive until the end? The role description doesn't say that so I just assume lol.

The numbers looks weird. As it looks like it's 8-3-3 right? Let's say that on:

N0: Mafia kills, bringing number to 7-3-3.
D1: Mislynch, bringing number to 6-3-3
N1: Mafia kills, bringing number to 5-3-3
D2: it's a MYLO already, since if they mislynched, it's 4-3-3, then the mafia kill, bringing it to 3-3-3 (assuming no TP is killed in the process)

I think increasing the number of town would be good. Or just put in one TP in the form of a vampire or something, then put the two remaining TP to town.
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The survivor can win with anyone. It just has to live.

The mode i put up was chaos mode.

the other one is classic mode.

this is classic mode:

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There is also advanced mode:

Spoiler:
 
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The classic one seems more balanced than the other one, numbers-wise, but idk with the presence of a serial killer.
 
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Yeah, the mafia has to win by getting rid of the serial killer along with town.

If classic is more balanced ill try that one first.
 
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Replicating ToS in Underground, huh? That could probably work despite its complicated difficulty to sync with forum mafia games and the based fast-paced game.

While you missed some other details about the roles (though for those who haven't experienced, I'd suggest looking for the full role list in the homepage itself), I don't think I have ever seen a game that uses "Last Wills", which are mostly replaced by flavor texts for each phase change. Unlike death posts which usually discourages game breaking info, these are short memos that are shown when you died. You can put some batsh!t info, frame someone with it, share your scumreads, advertise your games, or just tell them that SAO is the best anime. Basically, you can put anything but not everything.

Those do exist in Epicmafia too, although limited to the roles itself. I'd like to see how it goes in forum version tho.
 
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HyperMorian said:
Replicating ToS in Underground, huh? That could probably work despite its complicated difficulty to sync with forum mafia games and the based fast-paced game.

While you missed some other details about the roles (though for those who haven't experienced, I'd suggest looking for the full role list in the homepage itself), I don't think I have ever seen a game that uses "Last Wills", which are mostly replaced by flavor texts for each phase change. Unlike death posts which usually discourages game breaking info, these are short memos that are shown when you died. You can put some batsh!t info, frame someone with it, share your scumreads, advertise your games, or just tell them that SAO is the best anime. Basically, you can put anything but not everything.

Those do exist in Epicmafia too, although limited to the roles itself. I'd like to see how it goes in forum version tho.
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For the first game im not gonna have any wills

If this goes well i might add wills in the future
 
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Will only join if Consigliere and Witch are in the role list. ;) (Those were always my favourite roles)

Something worth mentioning, in case it wasn't obvious, the Town of Salem's Blackmailer is basically our Silencer. Additionally, with The Coven DLC, you get more roles such as The Tracker (the same as our Tracker), the Trapper (places a trap on someone's house each night; whoever goes to kill them - or even investigate/heal them - will set the trap off), the Psychic (on even nights will get a list of 3 players and at least one is maf/evil, and on odd nights gets a list of 2 players and at least one is good), and even some new Mafia roles such as the Ambusher (Not 100% sure what this does yet).

For more third party roles, we recently got coven members such as Medusa (same as our Medusa), the necromancer (controls a dead person's abilities, so could use a dead Vigi to kill a random person etc.), the potion master (I believe this heals coven members and can poison non-coven members), and the Coven Leader (I think???? this role is similar to a witch. Never played as one but they can drain the life out of their target). They also added the Pirate, who duels anyone they wish to each night. They win if they successfully kill 2 people, but that's difficult as it's like a Rock-Paper-Scissors minigame and it's not guaranteed that the person will die. Last new role I'll mention is the Guardian Angel, who acts exactly as the Angel here and their ability lasts all game I believe. Never played as one so idk the mechanics.

Another good innocent role is the Crusader, which is basically an edgy bodyguard. Only played as it once, but it's a very decent role! This is to help metroid as well as anyone else who is reading. So if you need more innocent roles, I've just given you some more. ;)

Additionally, I don't think you have to eliminate the Serial Killer to win as Mafia. It's a big help because only the Godfather is immune to night kills, but I don't think it's a necessity to eliminate them.

Finally, to add more information on the Investigator and the Consigliere, I will add that the Investigator will get results of three roles for one person. For example, "You investigated purplecicada and learnt that she works with the dead. She could either be a Janitor, a Medium, or a Retributionist". The Consigliere will get the exact role of the person. For example, "You investigated purplecicada and learnt that she is a Retributionist". However, if you stated that you knew I was a Retributionist, it would be pretty obvious that you were Consig and mafia. So you'd need to be clever and state the other two roles that would come alongside an Investigator report. ;)
 
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purplecicada said:
Will only join if Consigliere and Witch are in the role list. ;) (Those were always my favourite roles)

Something worth mentioning, in case it wasn't obvious, the Town of Salem's Blackmailer is basically our Silencer. Additionally, with The Coven DLC, you get more roles such as The Tracker (the same as our Tracker), the Trapper (places a trap on someone's house each night; whoever goes to kill them - or even investigate/heal them - will set the trap off), the Psychic (on even nights will get a list of 3 players and at least one is maf/evil, and on odd nights gets a list of 2 players and at least one is good), and even some new Mafia roles such as the Ambusher (Not 100% sure what this does yet).

For more third party roles, we recently got coven members such as Medusa (same as our Medusa), the necromancer (controls a dead person's abilities, so could use a dead Vigi to kill a random person etc.), the potion master (I believe this heals coven members and can poison non-coven members), and the Coven Leader (I think???? this role is similar to a witch. Never played as one but they can drain the life out of their target). They also added the Pirate, who duels anyone they wish to each night. They win if they successfully kill 2 people, but that's difficult as it's like a Rock-Paper-Scissors minigame and it's not guaranteed that the person will die. Last new role I'll mention is the Guardian Angel, who acts exactly as the Angel here and their ability lasts all game I believe. Never played as one so idk the mechanics.

Another good innocent role is the Crusader, which is basically an edgy bodyguard. Only played as it once, but it's a very decent role! This is to help metroid as well as anyone else who is reading. So if you need more innocent roles, I've just given you some more. ;)

Additionally, I don't think you have to eliminate the Serial Killer to win as Mafia. It's a big help because only the Godfather is immune to night kills, but I don't think it's a necessity to eliminate them.

Finally, to add more information on the Investigator and the Consigliere, I will add that the Investigator will get results of three roles for one person. For example, "You investigated purplecicada and learnt that she works with the dead. She could either be a Janitor, a Medium, or a Retributionist". The Consigliere will get the exact role of the person. For example, "You investigated purplecicada and learnt that she is a Retributionist". However, if you stated that you knew I was a Retributionist, it would be pretty obvious that you were Consig and mafia. So you'd need to be clever and state the other two roles that would come alongside an Investigator report. ;)
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Yeah i havent looked it up yet, but they edited the ranked practice section.

This is the new setup:
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Im definitely using this one instead of classic mode now.
There are so many more possibilities.
If this goes well i might be doing the coven idea after i look up all the new roles.
 
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So this is going to be my game post once i post it.
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When i post this i will be posting all the roles and their abilities.
 
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The numbers are still my issue. Town seemed to be at a disadvantage because of this.

at 8-4-2 setup.

N0: (assuming neutral killing's goal is to kill everybody) there will be 2 deaths. 6-4-2
D1: mylo already since if it's mislynch, it's 5-4-2, then mafia will kill a town, game ends. And we all know it's very rare that town lynch correctly d1.

If you're keen on having 8 towns, you could remove the 2 random mafia roles and just stick with the godfather and the mafioso.
 
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Home said:
The numbers are still my issue. Town seemed to be at a disadvantage because of this.

at 8-4-2 setup.

N0: (assuming neutral killing's goal is to kill everybody) there will be 2 deaths. 6-4-2
D1: mylo already since if it's mislynch, it's 5-4-2, then mafia will kill a town, game ends. And we all know it's very rare that town lynch correctly d1.

If you're keen on having 8 towns, you could remove the 2 random mafia roles and just stick with the godfather and the mafioso.
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Also including the jailor thats 9-3-2 setup, 1 mafia for each 3 townies
Fine i'll remove 1 mafia and narrow it down to 3
 
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I'd say have either the Godfather or Mafioso in your setup and not both. There's no point in having both as any mafia in this version can go out and kill.
 
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