WHO MISSES MISTY!? D:

I had no problem with Misty, but no, I do not think she should be brought back.

In my forthright opinion, I do think Misty should return for a variety of reasons:

First and foremost, I think she's simply a better rolemodel compared to May and Dawn. I've felt this since the episode Princess vs. Princess, where Misty actually acted quite unlike the girls who trampled over Ash, Brock, James, Meowth, and Pikachu in a frenzy when hearing about Fiorello Cappucino. My mom stated it was a terrible stereotype, so I'm going to eliminate it, and what better way to do so than with a rolemodel created to fight off against it? May and Dawn? They were more like the girls in Princess vs. Princess, not to mention the girls from Love Hina and probably the girls from Battle Vixens. I can't verify whether Iris was actually similar to Misty in regards to a counter or not (Yes, I heard she was a wild child and similar in many ways to Misty, but then again, Kaolla Su was as well, and that girl was of that stereotype), so until she demonstrates something exemplary on par with Misty (IE, she doesn't act in a similar fashion to a similar crowd of girls to the ones from Princess vs. Princess), I have to be wary of Iris. If done right, bringing Misty back might at the very least result in the beginning of the end of pornography, something the feminist movement failed to stop during the 1970s, and in fact promoted it. Anyone who is curious can see my videos on youtube.

The second reason is that, honestly, she really was cheated out of pursuing her goal. Tracey managed to actually achieve his goal of meeting Professor Oak. May and Dawn were able to pursue their goal of becoming a Pokemon Coordinating Master, Max gained a lot of experience travelling with Ash, heck, even BROCK managed to accomplish his goal to a certain extent. Misty never did accomplish her goal: She ended up having to return to the gym because her sisters ended up having to go on a three month cruise, and has to stay there because she can't trust her sisters in running the gym, and it is heavily implied that she hates the position, but has no other option than to put up with it. Not to mention that, going by how JJM ended up being beaten by rookies in a rather pathetic manner, and how the Gym Leaders seem to lose in a similar fashion, I'd argue that she actually has LESS chances of ever becoming a Pokemon Master than she did with Ash. In order for her to truly achieve her goal, then, whether she is with Ash or not, she HAS to travel, not be cooped up inside of a gym. What irritates me further is that her gym wasn't even the worst-maintained gym: Pewter Gym was, yet Brock continued to let it deteriorate when he should have done the responsible thing and return to the gym.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ said:

Umm quick question, where in my post did I say that Pokemon Contest are coming back? You made several references where you believe that the Pokemon Contest are coming back, all I am asking for is where is this source that you get your information from. I'm asking you all of these questions because to me and others, the things that you wrote sound like facts....as in you are so sure that all of this information is valid....I'm asking where is the source. I want to know from a real source that if Pokemon Contest are coming back and what was the true reason why they were in the anime. Do you work for the development team for the anime? I doubt it so you just can't keep on saying this like that,

As for the crying part, people are entitled to their opinions, if you feel that May and Dawn cried for everything, so let it be, I felt that Misty was really annoying because for the most part she would just overshadow ash and her complaining was really annoying; at least in my opinion, May and Dawn had a reason to complain because they were doing something worth while instead of what Misty was doing for most of her airtime. All three of them have a chance of coming back...maybe as main characters or just passing through a city, for you to say something like " May or Dawn are coming back,they are gone forever and they will not be coming back get over it." well if I was ignorant and being extremely bias because I can't stand Misty, I would simply say "Misty is never coming back, she is gone forever-----get over it!" but I am not because like I stated, I know they can come back.

Oh yeah another question, where in any of my post that I said that May and Dawn are coming back? or did I say something like May and Dawn can have a chance of coming back---i said that about all three of them.

Why do you keep on saying that contest are gone for good? Are you one of the writers from the show? Was there a news report on Pokenews (I'm assuming that what they could call it in the anime) that the was an explosion on all of the contest buildings in the Pokeworld and now they no longer exist? Like I stated earlier, where is the proof of this information.


Speaking about the 5th generation, all because there is no Pokemon contest in the Black and White games; it doesn't mean that it is gone for good. There was no Safari Zone in the 2nd generation of Pokemon games, so did that mean that there wasn't going to be one in the 3rd generation?


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There is no way to prove wether or not contest will be back for good either.You can't not prove that May or Dawn will return,it is like i am talking to a brick wall.

Kenshin5.Misty never act like a crybaby , she will always be number 1.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ said:

There have been times that Misty did act like a baby, for example her fear of bugs....ummm the fact that she followed Ash just because of the destruction of her bike. There are probably a lot more times but I can't remember them at the moment.

You are the one that is so sure that May, Dawn and both Pokemon Contest and Super Pokemon contest. All I'm asking is for the sources of where you got your information. I never stated that Dawn, May and the Pokemon Contest are coming back----I said that those three events DOES have a chance of coming back (there is a huge difference). Maybe it is I that is talking to the brick wall

Oh yeah, i dont think Misty is number one (just putting that out there)


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Misty fear of bug Pokemon and following Ash around because of him destroying her bike does not mean she act like a crybaby...

I never stated that i got any information from any sources.There isn't really any way to really tell wether Pokemon contest will return after the 5 generation,it seem like i am talking to a brick wall.

Misty will always be number 1, no matter what.

I can only half say that I miss her.
That's pretty much because I don't like the new episodes overall and haven't been watching it for years.
Misty is my prefered female character over all though. I haven't even seen Dawn and Iris is the anime yet ^^"
Though I don't have a problem with May - But I simply like the old characters and episodes the most. I get the feeling that the newer the episodes are the more they seem to be aiming for little kid.
Practicly the series is meant for kids but I feel like it keeps aiming for even more younger ages. x,x (or its just due to the bad synchros around here..)
Anyways I don't watch animes in generel x.x
But Misty would be my nr. 1 in picking the female chara from Pokémon :3

Mew~ said:

Well, I'm not sure cry baby would be the best term to use, but her fear of bugs was a weak point, and when Ash destroyed her bike she was upset and angry.

Also, contests could return much sooner than you make out to belive. Also going against your theory of some of the supporting cast not appearing again - I can tell you right now at least once in this year or the upcoming year we'll see either a cameo (Take Misty and May) or a special (Previous ones in Hoenn, or Dawn and Brock's during BW) and if we get one from May, then we're bound to see a contest or something at least. So yeah, just ruling that out for you. Misty will probably get a few more specials or maybe even a cameo also.

Also, just because you think Misty was number 1 doesn't mean you have to hate other supporting characters, and seeing as you don't make any real comparisions, and like most people the - Dawn and May sucked, bring back Misty. :\

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Pokemon contest could come back and they could not come back since they are uneeded now in the 5 gen.

Misty fear of bugs were really a very strong point to her character,she did have a good reason to be upset at Ash for destroying her bike.

can't say for sure if May or Dawn will get a cameo,but we will have to wait and see.

I never stated that i hated May or Dawn,but Misty rules over them all the time.

tough said:

Pokemon contest could come back and they could not come back since they are uneeded now in the 5 gen.

Misty fear of bugs were really a very strong point to her character,she did have a good reason to be upset at Ash for destroying her bike.

can't say for sure if May or Dawn will get a cameo,but we will have to wait and see.

I never stated that i hated May or Dawn,but Misty rules over them all the time.

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See, this is where you're trying to make your opinion fact. Just because you think Misty is better doesn't mean she is. Maybe I like Dawn because she treats her pokemon better.

I prefer Misty just because she's the original.

I do miss Misty but I'm starting to like Dawn, May was ok.

I dont really miss Misty. I liked May much more, if somebody should come back then it should be her. But Iris is OK.

Speaking about the 5th generation, all because there is no Pokemon contest in the Black and White games; it doesn't mean that it is gone for good. There was no Safari Zone in the 2nd generation of Pokemon games, so did that mean that there wasn't going to be one in the 3rd generation?

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That's actually a bad example. The Safari Zone was never important in even the Anime. At best, it only received a mention in the English version of Kanto, an actual visit in the Japanese version, as well, and was never brought up anywhere else in the Anime. Contests, however, were actually upgraded in terms of "importance" in the Anime, and when Diamond and Pearl was ending, they even had Jessie ditch her Jesselina getup in a rage, and even had a few moments focus on the dress when she stormed out. I somehow doubt that they would have done something like that if they were planning to continue contests.

As for the bike thing you mentioned, not to imply anything about supporting Pokeshipping (to be honest, I personally don't believe in it), but you DO realize that the anime implies a few times that the bike reason was nothing more than an excuse for her to travel, and it was more than just that, right? And she did at least have a degree of control over her bug phobia. Otherwise, she wouldn't have even gone near the Butterfree mating thing in Bye Bye Butterfree. Heck, in Mewtwo Returns, she actually attempted to quell her fear of bugs temporarily. Not that it worked, but she still tried.

Firstly, how much of a fanbase a character has in no way contributes to how good a character is, nor does it determine how important a character was. Now, a fanbase may be as a result of those qualities, but don't try to use Misty's fanbase as an arguement to how important she was.

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Maybe the fanbase alone isn't, but if she was the subject of various reviews, or studies, I'd say that it at least hints that she's a good character. Don't believe me, read this:

The book The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture described Misty's portrayal in the anime as a mother figure, calling her a "nurturing component" for the original trio of herself, Ash and Brock.[4] It further described her as an "unusually 'complete' girl of the cartoon world", noting both her feminine sentimentality and her "explosive rage".[5] Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces praised the character as being "particularly nuanced" and described her as contributing heavily to the series' appeal.[6] Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon stated that though the anime focused on Ash, Misty was a distinctly significant character especially to young female consumers, neither "butch" nor "dizzily feminine", seemingly "carefully constructed to appeal to preadolescent girls".[7] It added that, unlike other aggressive female characters in the series, Misty did not sacrifice her femininity to succeed, making the character further popular with young American women, a contrast to Japanese children who focused more on the individual Pokémon species to identify with.[8]

In studies on the reactions boys and girls had to the concept of Misty as a heroine in the series, girls accepted it and were eager to associate themselves with the character,[9][10] while boys attempted to belittle her efforts.[9] On the other hand, children of both genders felt the character alongside Brock gave Ash a sense of identity and moral support, which researchers attributed to the concept of group identity.[11] In another study, children were shown to associate the attributes of attractiveness and aggressiveness, while college students described the character as romantic.[12] Pikachu's Global Adventure additionally stated Misty also served as a source of non-threatening sexuality for both older and younger male viewers, though the context of such was presented in a more subtle way for North American localizations of the series.[13] Author Maria S. Barbo called Misty "talented, loyal, adventurous, and caring".[14]

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And just to ensure you don't claim "Wikipedia can be edited by anyone", here's the sources backing up these claims:

4.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 58. ISBN 0810851210.
5.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 78. ISBN 0810851210.
6.^ Camp, Brian; Julie Davis (May 2007). Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces. Stone Bridge Press. p. 283. ISBN 9781933330228.
7.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 21. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
8.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 231–232, 282. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
9.^ a b Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 176. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
10.^ Katch, Jane (2004). They Don't Like Me: Lessons on Bullying and Teasing from a Preschool Classroom. Beacon Press. ISBN 0807023213.
11.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 169–170, 177. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
12.^ Ogletree, Shirley M.; Cristal N. Martinez, Trent R. Turner and Brad Mason (28 October 2004). "Pokémon: Exploring the Role of Gender". Sex Roles (Springer Netherlands) 50 (11-12 / June, 2004): 851–859. doi:10.1023/B:SERS.0000029102.66384.a2. ISSN (Print) 1573-2762 (Online) 0360-0025 (Print) 1573-2762 (Online).
13.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 284. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
14.^ http://books.google.com/books?id=08IRMQAACAAJ

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Secondly, I would hardly call stopping TR anything worth mentioning, considering not only did every heroine on the show do it, not only do the other main characters do it routinely, but even the one-episode-only characters do it with ease. Stopping Team Rocket hardly elevates Misty's position above any other character in the show, considering how just about every character seems to be able to do it.

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She also stopped Team Rocket members who weren't JJM, you know (and seeing how they were heavily implied to be a threat to the Pokemon World, that's saying a lot). Heck, she even helped fight off TR members commanded by Giovanni in Mewtwo Returns.

Besides, you could easily argue that Ash isn't that special in regards to fighting Gym Leaders either, since they lose to anyone in a similar fashion to JJM.

Third, the Seaking Competition and Whirl Cup were both episodes practically dedicated to Misty. Like I said, Misty only did anything major when the episode was about her, save perhaps her one gym match with Ash. But casually, as in day-to-day regular episodes, she stood in the backround most of the time. So did more than Dawn or May did? Really? At absolute least Dawn and May competed in contests and occasionally caught Pokemon. I haven't seen the Advanced or Sinnoh series in quite some time, so my memory is foggy, but I know that at the absoulute least May competed in say, 6-8 contests, Dawn presumably around the same number, possibly more. So did Dawn or May do more than Misty? Maybe. Did Misty do more than either of them? Maybe by just a little bit collectively across her five season run. But by no stretch of the imagination did she do far more than either Dawn or May ever did, as you seem to imply.

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She also saved Ash's life in the first episode, got Ash, Brock, and Team Rocket out of the St. Anne's ruins (heck, she's the one who planned the escape), was pretty much the reason why Ash was even able to get his match with Blane (solving three of his riddles, something where even Brock, the wise man of the group, couldn't figure out one), and got Ash over to New Island, and those were episodes where she wasn't even the one focused on.

Sire said:

See, this is where you're trying to make your opinion fact. Just because you think Misty is better doesn't mean she is. Maybe I like Dawn because she treats her pokemon better.

I prefer Misty just because she's the original.

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Misty is the best and she is a lot more better then Dawn.Just because you think Misty isn't te best does not mean it is true.

Mew.There is nothing saying Dawn will get a cameo in Unova,i do argee with you about liking Misty.

I have missed Misty and not been to keen on the recent comapny ash keeps, I didn't mind Dawn, But Max was just awful >.> not a big fan of May either, I just think the change from Misty and Brock was unecessary it was a great trio and now even Brock's gone its not the same..

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ said:

How can you say to Mew that there is nothing saying that Dawn will get a Cameo in Unova but you agree with him just for liking Misty? Wow, you are an obessed Misty fan boy and you will go to the bottom of the world to just say whatever you can just so everyone can agree with you about Misty being the best and it may seem like that in your eyes, but its not like that in other peoples eyes (such as my eyes). How many times does someone have to say this to you, there is a possibility that anyone of these characters can come back whether if its a main character or even a cameo appearance. But its like beating a dead horse no point of arguing with this if I am going to get blue in the face (or should I say Blue in the fingers)


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Well, if Dawn does make a reappearance, it can't deal with Contests, considering the fact that they were eliminated from the show. At best, if her reappearance deals with contests, it has to be in a revisit of the Hoenn region, if such a thing is even planned, seeing how the end of her special had her going to Hoenn for contests. And if they do announce her reappearance, it shouldn't be before April 1st (either a few weeks or about two months from it). I can't begin to tell you the amount of times content was announced in magazines or blogs that turned out to be an April Fools joke, despite it not even occuring yet when it was published (IE, EGM or some websites). The same goes for Misty and May. I do find Misty to be more likely to reappear, though. My being a fan of her aside, it makes sense, really. After all, Misty's the only one of the three whose goal isn't bound to contests, so there's nothing to worry about whether Isshu's lack of contests has anything to do with Misty's chances of reappearing or not.

Besides, I thought it was a poor decision on the writers part to have May visit Sinnoh in the middle of her Johto journey. I mean, did Ash pretty much try to visit his friends right in the middle of his trek throughout the current region? No.

tough said:

Misty is the best and she is a lot more better then Dawn.Just because you think Misty isn't te best does not mean it is true.

Mew.There is nothing saying Dawn will get a cameo in Unova,i do argee with you about liking Misty.

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See, you're saying she is the best no matter what, and better then Dawn for no reason. Therefore, you're making your opinion fact because instead of saying "I like Misty more then Dawn", you're saying "Misty is the best', which is a fact. Why is she better then Dawn? All Misty did was scream at Ash, take care of Togepi, and occasionally help out beating Team Rocket, besides the episodes that were actually about her.

Believe it or not, the contests WERE important. They were very important, to be honest. If they weren't May and Dawn wouldn't have entered so many contests, and they wouldn't even have had rivals (Drew and Harley, Zoey and Kenny). Maybe not as important as Gym Battles, but they were definitely #2.

Sire said:

See, you're saying she is the best no matter what, and better then Dawn for no reason. Therefore, you're making your opinion fact because instead of saying "I like Misty more then Dawn", you're saying "Misty is the best', which is a fact. Why is she better then Dawn? All Misty did was scream at Ash, take care of Togepi, and occasionally help out beating Team Rocket, besides the episodes that were actually about her.

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I recall various other things where she did contribute quite a bit to the plot of the show, even in episodes that weren't even focusing on her. I even listed examples that Tough didn't mention.

Besides, one could argue that Ash himself isn't that important, either. He battles against JJM, big woop. They were treated as people who could be beaten by anyone. Same can be said for the Gym Leaders as well, seeing how a large amount of the time they lose against rookie pokemon. Now, if, I don't know, he won against an Elite 4 member, without breaking a sweat even, and it was made absolutely clear that the Elite 4 in question very rarely lost, if at all, then MAYBE I can see how he'd be special, just maybe.

Believe it or not, the contests WERE important. They were very important, to be honest. If they weren't May and Dawn wouldn't have entered so many contests, and they wouldn't even have had rivals (Drew and Harley, Zoey and Kenny). Maybe not as important as Gym Battles, but they were definitely #2.

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Maybe, but they certainly weren't important enough to save Contests from being ditched by Generation V. At best, they would have been #3, considering the fact that they were easily expendable.

Need I point out that Misty had rivals, as well?