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Old July 16th, 2007 (1:29 PM).
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But it was still obvious to me that you did that. :p
Hey, what can I say, I'm pretty adamant in my beliefs. :P
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Old July 16th, 2007 (1:36 PM).
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    Everyone voted "Yes"? Sweet. XD

    I just serriously don't understand that. Comparing Kyogre with Azelf is like comparing Azelf with Gliscor. That's a huge difference.
    Kyogre with Azelf - Both Legendaries

    Azelf with Gliscor - Legendary vs Non-Legendary but Gliscor still wins.

    Basically saying that you're still fighting a legendary.

    If you allowed Azelf people would start saying how there's a legendary and that the rest should be allowed and it's not fair. So if you just left out ALL legendaries then people won't cry and scream if they're going up against a Kyogre or Mewtwo.
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    Old July 16th, 2007 (2:03 PM).
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      Kyogre with Azelf - Both Legendaries

      Azelf with Gliscor - Legendary vs Non-Legendary but Gliscor still wins.

      Basically saying that you're still fighting a legendary.

      If you allowed Azelf people would start saying how there's a legendary and that the rest should be allowed and it's not fair. So if you just left out ALL legendaries then people won't cry and scream if they're going up against a Kyogre or Mewtwo.
      Using "Legendary" as your only comparison is really shallow. How about using things like power, endurance, and overall usefullness?

      That wouldn't happen for a very long time if ever. Banning Ubers rather than Legendaries has been around for quite a long time, and I don't think it would ever weaken to an acceptance of all legendaries.

      You could also say the same about your argument. If the weak legendaries are banned, then suddenly the strongest pokémon, like Salamance, would be frowned apon and might even be banned. It goes both ways.
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      Old July 16th, 2007 (2:10 PM).
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      Salamence isn't the strongest. There are stronger. Salamence may have slightly more attack power, but Garchomp has more speed and can learn Outrage, and gets STAB from Earthquake.

      But I digress. The decision has been made, no point in disputing it any further.
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      Old July 16th, 2007 (2:17 PM).
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        Pokémon was meant to be plural, btw. I should've put "one of" in front of it.

        I know that it won't change anything. I still felt like saying that anyway.
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        Old July 16th, 2007 (2:26 PM).
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          So all legendaries are in now?

          WTF? Count me out. NOW.
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          Old July 16th, 2007 (2:30 PM).
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            So all legendaries are in now?

            WTF? Count me out. NOW.
            Two things:

            1. All legends were NEVER allowed in this tournament, it was just the non-Uber ones.

            2.The ban on all legendaries is now back

            Pay attention.
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            Old July 16th, 2007 (2:33 PM).
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            So all legendaries are in now?

            WTF? Count me out. NOW.
            No, all legendaries are OUT. I considered allowing all but Ubers, but now it's all legends once again.
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            Old July 16th, 2007 (4:34 PM).
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              Put a list of non-"uber" legendaries here. Show me what COULD'VE been used in the Tournament.
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              Old July 16th, 2007 (4:51 PM).
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              Sure. Here are the ones I considered allowing:

              Articuno
              Moltres
              Zapdos
              Suicune
              Entei
              Raikou
              Celebi
              Regice
              Regirock
              Registeel
              Jirachi
              Uxie
              Mesprit
              Azelf
              Heatran
              Cresselia
              Regigigas
              Manaphy
              Phione
              Shaymin

              And here are the ones that would not have been allowed under any circumstances:

              Mewtwo
              Mew
              Lugia
              Ho-oh
              Latias
              Latios
              Groudon
              Kyogre
              Rayquaza
              Deoxys
              Dialga
              Palkia
              Giratina
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              Old July 16th, 2007 (7:09 PM).
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                I'm still out though. My team definitally needs more fine tuning and I have alot more things to to the rest of this summer, so I won't have time for this tourney either.
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                Old July 16th, 2007 (7:13 PM).
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                  Hmm... but still the legendary birds and dogs... I battle on NetBattle and see them used a lot, same with Celebi. The Regis each have their own individual good stats. Regice Sp. Def, Regirock Def...

                  Bah... I'd rather just not have legendaries as even the non-uber ones are still tough to beat sometimes.
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                  Old July 17th, 2007 (1:30 AM).
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                    I'd preferable have no Leggies, nor Ubers in this tournament, it sucks kinda...

                    BTW, Latios / Latias are LEGENDARIES, not Ubers, they're only Uber if they hold Soul Dew.
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                    Old July 17th, 2007 (4:43 AM).
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                      Personally I use legendaries in battle. Not much anymore as I have too many pokemon and like to alternate but I only use non-ubers. Despite that, I feel that legendaries should still be banned from this tournament and on that note, Tyranitar too as it is now uber due to the sandstorm boost in sp.def.
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                      Old July 17th, 2007 (5:52 AM).
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                        Why is everyone referring to themselves in the first person? XD

                        Anyways, if I had to do an official vote,I would say no Legendaries. But seeing as how I came up against a Cresselia and massacred it, I don't really care one way or another.

                        But if anything, make a limit on how many legendaries can be on one team. Like two, or even one. I don't mind facing a Cresselia, but I do slightly mind facing a Cresselia, Azelf, Jirachi, Entei, Zapdos, Regice all on the same team. That would just be ridiculous.
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                        Old July 17th, 2007 (6:50 AM).
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                          Well if some wants legends, and some does not, (which i DONT!) why dont we allow 1 non-uber legend in each team?
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                          Old July 17th, 2007 (7:11 AM).
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                            Or make it simple, no legendaries; not too hard of a concept. There's no reason to keep talking about it, not that the topic currently has other things to discuss but still, heh. With that said though I'll have to edit my team to disclude Palkia (only really needed the help since my team lacks anything fire.)


                            In another topic, do people prefer using the lv.50 rounding rule in their battles? I think it'd make for a quicker tournament, plus it makes it more realistic. Having 6 lv. 100s is like actually having a team of ubers, but of course for staying in the tournament I'll gladly use 100 if I must.
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                              I dont see the difference when you battle at level 50 or level 100. The stats are just recalculated accordingly but I rather prefer for battles to be at level 100 to get the full benefit of EVs and all.
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                              Old July 17th, 2007 (7:20 AM).
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                                Mm true, there is that. I do follow EVs but I'm not obsessed with them. I'm 50/50 when it comes to natural raising/EV training.
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                                  Thanks for the heads Ichida. My vote is no legendaries.
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                                  Old July 17th, 2007 (10:15 AM).
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                                    Old July 17th, 2007 (10:22 AM).
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                                      I vote no legends . . . I use 6 legit non-legends that I bred and trained to Lv. 100 with EV training. I mean seriously, most legends with no training (once scaled up to Lv. 100 from the level they are caught at) are still better than my EV trained non-legends. It isn't fair when I lose to some guy with a Mewtwo who master-balled it and sent it from FireRed without even training it in one battle.
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                                      Old July 17th, 2007 (10:26 AM). Edited July 17th, 2007 by Abyssion.
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                                        You wouldn't be facing a Mewtwo ANYWAY! The ubers, like Mewtwo, were always banned, but it was the non-uber legendaries that were in question.
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                                        Old July 17th, 2007 (11:14 AM).
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                                          Even then, it comes down to debating what is uber and what isn't . . . which will never be decided on. I just think that there are way to many pokemon that can now be used competitively with the new battle system for there to be any need to allow legends.
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                                          Old July 17th, 2007 (12:33 PM).
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                                            Even then, it comes down to debating what is uber and what isn't . . . which will never be decided on. I just think that there are way to many pokemon that can now be used competitively with the new battle system for there to be any need to allow legends.
                                            Actually, there is already a list of all ubers, anything not on this list is not uber.

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