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The Plot Bunny Thread

Is Fire Emblem: Conjoinst Souls something that you'd be interested in reading?

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Platinum Ideas

Hey guys first post here and I'm just looking for possible interest in a retelling of Pokemon Platinum with numerous changes and stronger characters. I'm hoping to make it more serious than the games and without romance being a main factor like lots of other fan fiction.

So far I have thought it would be good to portray Dawn, Barry, and Lucas as more of a team fighting through the Sinnoh and Team Galactic together. Lucas would have to learn to become a better leader and get out of the shadow of his Dad who was looked down upon for his obsession with the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giritina. Barry would still be the fast passed hot head he was in the game but putting more emphasis on him having to think more before he acts. And finally Dawn will act as the smartest of the three teaching them about Pokemon she learned about with Rowan and learning to become less of a stick in the mud so to speak.

I was planning on giving Dawn a Piplup because you know.... Barry a Turtwig to help him learn patience better as he has to deal with allow Pokemon and Lucas a Chimchar.

Any thoughts of suggestion would be loved and just an average amount of interest in a more mature and story driven adventure. Thanks
 

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Hey guys first post here and I'm just looking for possible interest in a retelling of Pokemon Platinum with numerous changes and stronger characters.
Hi there! Just so you know, I've merged your thread with this one in the subsection. The main section is only for stories rather than plot ideas.

Having done a retelling of another Pokemon game myself, I'd say I have interest in the sort of idea. :V With these I feel it's important to make sure that you are putting your own twist on it, and to deviate from just following the game's layout without doing that. Otherwise, readers may as well just go and play the games instead. If you can do that then sure, it's worth trying. I'll add that it'd be a timely process to 'retell' a whole game, speaking from experience.
I'm hoping to make it more serious than the games and without romance being a main factor like lots of other fan fiction.
Hmm, yeah, romance subplots do tend to get thrown in a lot in standard fics that follow the general game plot or just the standard 'original the trainer goes to become champion while beating team ___' sort of fics.

In what ways do you intend to make the story more serious than it was in Platinum? There's a number of ways to take it, I feel.

So far I have thought it would be good to portray Dawn, Barry, and Lucas as more of a team fighting through the Sinnoh and Team Galactic together. Lucas would have to learn to become a better leader and get out of the shadow of his Dad who was looked down upon for his obsession with the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giritina. Barry would still be the fast passed hot head he was in the game but putting more emphasis on him having to think more before he acts. And finally Dawn will act as the smartest of the three teaching them about Pokemon she learned about with Rowan and learning to become less of a stick in the mud so to speak.
Neat that you already have some characterisation - and character development - in mind, so that's promising. (And gasp - a protagonist with a father? Haha, oh Pokemon.)
I was planning on giving Dawn a Piplup because you know.... Barry a Turtwig to help him learn patience better as he has to deal with allow Pokemon and Lucas a Chimchar.

Any thoughts of suggestion would be loved and just an average amount of interest in a more mature and story driven adventure. Thanks
Arguably, their choice of starter isn't quite as important as how they are used in the story. Consider how you'd characterise those Pokemon and maybe also include them in some of those ideas for the trainers (although it seems you may already be doing this too!) - say, how would the Turtwig teach Barry patience? (Think there's a typo there too - 'deal with allow Pokemon' is confusing).
 
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Hi there! Just so you know, I've merged your thread with this one in the subsection. The main section is only for stories rather than plot ideas.

Hey there thank you for responding first off and thanks for getting my thread in the right place I just got my account and this was my first post.



In what ways do you intend to make the story more serious than it was in Platinum? There's a number of ways to take it, I feel.

I was thinking about putting a lot more emphasis on the Team Galactic plot and make many more people (Gym Leaders and maybe backup for Looker) involved with stoping them so they would be better represented as a stronger organization instead of a team that got taken down by a couple of kids. So I was go I was also going to try to put more emphasis on Cyrus and a character and show why he wants to destroy the world more than just saying he thinks it is bad. I was also planning on having Pokemon die... I think nuff said.


Arguably, their choice of starter isn't quite as important as how they are used in the story. Consider how you'd characterise those Pokemon and maybe also include them in some of those ideas for the trainers (although it seems you may already be doing this too!) - say, how would the Turtwig teach Barry patience? (Think there's a typo there too - 'deal with allow Pokemon' is confusing).

Wow can't believe I missed that typo. I meant so say deal with a slow Pokemon as it would clash with his hot headed and fast mind set.

Finally I have a script I just wrote up really quickly to kind of showcase my style. Its not very professional though and hard to read as it is formatted for a script for an anime episode. You have been warned.



This is Lucas. He is a sixteen year old hoping to one day become a Pokemon master just like his father. Nothing will stop him from defeating all 8 gyms and the pokemon league. He as vowed to become the greatest trainer in Sinnoh and maybe even the world! But first he has to get out of his room and away from his TV

TV: Special news today coming from Sandgem town today as the famed Pokemon researcher known to many as Professor Rowan has returned from the Kanto region back to his home, the Sinnoh. He has been quoted saying he will set up the first world class research facility in the Sinnoh in Sandgem Town in order to help research the legendary Pokemon said to be living in Lake Verity

(commotion heard downstairs and crashing heard)

Barry: sorry sorry sorry

(running up stairs heard)

Barry: Lucas Lucas did you hear?

TV: In other news a streak of red was seen in the sky today in Hoenn

Barry: a streak of red huh, wonder what that could be, I mean did you hear?

Lucas: slow down barry hear what?

Barry: Oh my god this is so great some professor guy like rowan or something is in sand gem town. I heard you can get pokemon from him if you get there. We gotta go now Lucas! Before all the pokemon are gone!

Lucas: Ok lets go race you there

Barry: Ha youll never beat me in a race and pretty soon you'll never beat me in a pokemon battle either

(both run out the house)

Lucas's Mom: Huh lucas where are you going?

Lucas: gonna get some Pokemon mom ill be back before dark!!

(lucas pops his head back in the door)

Lucas: Love you!!

Barry: Your making this to easy come on Lucas!!!!

(Barry's mom open her door)

Barry's mom: where are you two going in such a hurry!!
(Barry and Lucas are running until Lucas trips over a branch and hits a small tree dropping a nest from it Starly then attack them both)

Dawn: piplup bubble beam pronto!!

(Piplup scatters the Stary and saves barry and Lucas)

Dawn: Piplup return!

Dawn: you reckless fools you ruined my research i almost had that starly egg

Barry: ughh those Pokemon ripped up my jacket

Dawn: ughh those pokemon ripped up my jacket (in mocking voice) the nerve of you. let me tell you something…

Barry: Barry

Dawn: Barry, didn't your mother ever teach you its not nice to talk over other, and it would be nie if you showed a little consideration for my loss instead of mooring over your ugly jacket

Barry: Hey calm down girl we were just trying to get some pokemon and I take pride in how I dress, something it appears like you don't

Dawn: WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN!!!!

(Rowan walks up)

Rowan: dawn what is the meaning of this is your yelling what scared off that flock of stary i just saw?

Dawn: Proffesor I'm sorry it just that umm

Barry: wait your professor rowan?

Dawn: what did i say about interrupting me?!

Rowan: yes i am child and whats your name

Dawn: this is Barry hes the nimrod who scared off all the staly

Barry: sorry prossor but me and my friend here were runnig to get pokemon from you

Rowan: (laughing) do you think i just give out pokemon?

Barry: well i mean kind of like i heard you were from a guy who heard it from the news or something i dont remember it could have been lemme think umm

Rowan: My my your brain runs at full speed doesn't it
Barry: (embarrassed) ya well

Rowan: forgive me but im not sure i know your name

Lucas: ohh sorry professor im lucas and im the one who hit the stary nest and made them go haywire sorry

Barry: ya so maybe you should give the evil eye to him not me lady

Dawn: Ill give the evil eye to whoever i want, me and my ugly clothes are free to do as we please. And trust me it not like i want to stare at you, it hard to stare at such a disgusting face to be honest

Barry: Why you I'll…

Lucas: (grabs barry) we should probably be going back to twin leaf town

Rowan: your going to twin leaf town? why dont you two escort me to Lake verity then its not far off and considering the commotion you stirred up its the least you can do

Lucas: we'd be happy to professor

Rowan: and if you two want pokemon then why dont you try out these two

Dawn: proffesor your not really going to give them those are you

Rowan: well see dawn

(rowan reaches into his bag and pulls two poke balls)

Rowan: for you barry, this pokemon should be right up your alley

(barry gets a turtwig)

barry: really professor and slow turtwig?

(Turtwig tackles barry)

Rowan: hes almost as hot tempered as you'd say

Rowan: here lucas this one is for you

(Lucas gets a chimchar)

lucas: what is it professor?

Rowan: its a chimchar a fire type pokemon

Barry: hey no fair fire beats grass
rowan: ahh i see you know more about pokemon than would meet the eye, dawn you can head back to the lab im sure these two can escort me just fine

Dawn: but but

Barry: you heard the man leave us be we got important stuff to do

dawn: Ohh would you shut up

barry: bye bye love you!!

Dawn: Im going to kill you i swear!!
 

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Alright, so I have an idea for a mature rated fanfic. Here's what I wrote from my moment of inspiration:

Living in ___, with his father as a doll maker, while his son lives upstairs. He suffers severe mental issues, as his mother died in a freak accident one week prior. He develops connections to the dolls his father has given him, attracting a lone Shuppet to absorb his twisted thoughts, his fear and anxieties. Eventually, the boy notices his manic episodes lessen by the day, and investigates the occasional sounds in the attic. When faced with the Ghost-type Pokemon, he is overjoyed, and loves the Shuppet straight away.

The Shuppet deicdes to stay, and become his partner Pokemon. Mostly because his thoughts can be dark, and twisted, and Shuppet wouldn't want to see his partner go insane. Eventually, the boy is old enough to go out on a journey with Shuppet, challenging Gyms and becoming Champion of the ___ region. But, there's an organization out yet again to destroy humanity. There are known as Team Nightmare, and their goal is to capture Darkrai, and use it's horrible powers to control people through fear.


Side effects: Our protagonist will occasionally see people as dolls, himself as a doll, and view human life on a much smaller scale.

So... what do you think?
 

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Alright, so I have an idea for a mature rated fanfic. Here's what I wrote from my moment of inspiration:

Living in ___, with his father as a doll maker, while his son lives upstairs. He suffers severe mental issues, as his mother died in a freak accident one week prior. He develops connections to the dolls his father has given him, attracting a lone Shuppet to absorb his twisted thoughts, his fear and anxieties. Eventually, the boy notices his manic episodes lessen by the day, and investigates the occasional sounds in the attic. When faced with the Ghost-type Pokemon, he is overjoyed, and loves the Shuppet straight away.

The Shuppet deicdes to stay, and become his partner Pokemon. Mostly because his thoughts can be dark, and twisted, and Shuppet wouldn't want to see his partner go insane. Eventually, the boy is old enough to go out on a journey with Shuppet, challenging Gyms and becoming Champion of the ___ region. But, there's an organization out yet again to destroy humanity. There are known as Team Nightmare, and their goal is to capture Darkrai, and use it's horrible powers to control people through fear.


Side effects: Our protagonist will occasionally see people as dolls, himself as a doll, and view human life on a much smaller scale.

So... what do you think?
I like the concept of the Shuppet and the boy's relationship. I think it would be very easy to build off of that and add more into the story. So, on that part, I don't have any real critique for, as I like it a lot.

One thing I don't like is the league challenging with the evil team. I mean, it's just been done to death. Although, I've never been a fan of journey fics, so this is just my personal bias coming through. Honestly, it seems like an add-on to me. I would much rather see the bond between the boy and the pokemon grow through another path, but this is only my opinion. If you really want to do a journey fic, by all means, go for it!
 

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I've already posted my Fanfic here, and I think I should lay out a few plot points. My Fanfic is a mix of Pokémon R/B/G/Y/Fr/Lg, the anime(Kanto & Orange Islands plotline), and Pokémon Adventures, a retelling of the Kanto story, but combined, featuring Red and other familiar characters. So Red will meet Satoshi and other Anime characters like that. Basically what I'm trying to say is that the Fanfic will focus more on the game plotline than the Anime or Manga. I've managed to combine a few things like the Orange Islands are all part of the Sevii Islands, Blue's middle name is Gareth(AKA Gary), and other things like that. As far as the Pokedex goes, it is already programmed the nationaldex, which follows up the current Gen VI one. My main intention is to get through Kanto and eventually reach Johto, in which whatever happened in Kanto will be carried on in Johto like in the games. As how the mood of the story goes, it's all fun and games now, but it'll get darky and gritty later on. R/B/G/Y storyline ends when whoever is going to be champion is defeated. The Fr/Lg storyline will then play out, and the events from the Anime(Orange Islands) will happen too. Yes there is love involved, but it will only be heavy in the first parts of the story and it will quiet down once things start to get more violent. Also, Satoshi's team(Ash) will be different, but will still have all the Pokémon that he has ever caught. My only problem is that I'm trying to get up to Gen 4, Sinnoh, and I was thinking to make Gen 3 and Gen 1 happen at the same time and have Gen 2 and Gen 4 happen at the same time. So Red would meet Hoenn characters like Brendan or May, but the problem is since Gen 1 and Gen 3 happen at the same time, and Gen 3 is having a remake, I need to know what exactly happens in Gen 6's remake of Ruby and Sapphire. I was thinking of waiting for the remake and just play through it and get some elements into my story. I hope I made sense :/
 
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Pokemon Biomerging

This is an idea that I'm building a fanfic around. The basic story is this.

Arceus battles Zyta and is badly wounded. He manages to trap Zyta in a pocket demension before scattering his 18 plates over Earth. He crumbles into dust and fades away. On Earth, a new kind of stone has been discovered. Called Bio Stones, they merge a trainer with their Pokemon. Only five stones have been discovered so far. The stones aren't big. The first stone is dark blue and sports a dragon paw print. The next stone is a lighter blue and shows a wave on it. One stone is yellow and bears a thunderbolt, one stone is yellow green and shows an insects wing, and the final stone is white with a brown paw print.

To merge with your pokemon, you need their total trust and you must be very close to them. You also need to have total trust in your pokemon. Lance successfully merges with Dragonite. The merged form is human. You gain a black body suit with a thin stripe of the color of your bio stone that runs down your legs. You gain yellow armor that covers your chest, hands, and boots. You gain your pokemon's tail and wear their head as your helmet. Lance gains Dragonite's wings instead of a tail. While merged, you can use your pokemon's attacks to fight. The normal bio stone is stolen by Team Rocket.

It is discovered that the Universe is crumbling without Arceus's control. A plate is found by Ash in his own backyard. Lance decides their best bet is to gather the plates and take them to the Hall of Orgins. Team Rocket crafts a golden belt like the one found on Arceus. Professor Elm is visited by the Unown who tell him the plates must be gathered and taken to the Hall of Orgins where Arceus will be reborn. This is observed by Silver, Giovanni's son. The next Arceus has already been chosen. Giovanni finds a plate and places it on the belt. He realizes that once the plates are all on the belt and at the Hall of Orgins, whomever is wearing the belt will become Arceus. Giovanni decides that he will become the new Arceus.

Two trainers are drawn to two of the stones. Misty takes the wave stone and bio merges with her Staryu, which first evolves into Starmie. Tracy takes the bug stone and bio merges with Scyther. Ash wonders if he could bio merge with Pikachu, but decides against it as he is setting out to travel to Algid to take on the pokemon league there. While getting the Algid pokedex from Professor Oak, Ash sees a flash of light and his hand touches the thunder bio stone. The next thing he knows, he is bio merged with Pikachu.

Lance calms Ash down and explains everything. He's formed a team with Misty and Tracy and would like Ash to join. Later on the team grows to include Lady J, who found the fire bio stone and merged with her Delphox, and Cilan, who wound up with the grass bio stone and merges with his Simsage. Bio merging is not permanent. It is canceled out with a command of devolve. To merge, the command is pokemon's name and type followed by evolution. Attacks are called out, but it is not necessary.

That is all I got for now. What do you think?
 

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Hello LonelyPonyta! Since this was asking for feedback on a specific idea, I went ahead and merged this with the Plot Bunny Thread. Now, to the idea:

I think it's creative and original. So far, everything seems pretty solid and well thought out. The only qualm I have is Ash and all of his friends finding the stones. There's no such thing as coincidence in writing, so Ash finding a stone in his backyard doesn't seem that plausible. Now, there are other ways on getting the stones to the people you want.

Maybe someone in Kanto finds the water stone, doesn't know what to do with it, so they hand it to Misty, since she's an expert on water types. Lance is similar, since he's the champion. Tracy could find his, I guess. How about the electric stone gets sent to Professor Oak for research, where Ash finds it and accidentally merges with Pikachu? I don't know, I'm just not a huge fan of coincidences, since you literally control every aspect of your story. You don't have to do this if you like the way you have it set up, so it's just a suggestion.
 
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First off, thanks for getting my thread into the right forum. I wasn't sure where to post it. I like your ideas. The story is still in research and development. It does make more sense for the dragon and water stones to be found by other people and taken to Lance and Misty.
 

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[Idea] Sasha's Story (Working title)

A story about a shiny Eevee who becomes an even rarer uniquely colored Umbreon. An ancient evil stirs, threatening to tear the world apart.

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Everything sounds better in my head; when I try putting it into words, it just feels off to me.

What to do?

It's a reluctant hero story; she's just in the right place at the wrong time and gets more or less thrown into chaos
 
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I've merged your thread with the plot bunny thread sticky.

I'm not quite sure what to say, because there isn't much to comment on. What does for instance the Umbreon being shiny have to do with the evil you mention? Does the evil only come into play when the Pokemon evolves Is this Umbreon a hero/chosen one, or not? What is the evil? Basically, the more you give us, the more we can comment on the idea.

The first post/s of this thread may help you with brainstorming and how to put it into words too.
 

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Pokemon blame her for the evil, just because she's unique; cast her out of her home and she gets dragged into a fight she wants no part of, but can't run away from because it'll destroy everyone and everything she holds dear
 

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Hope it's alright for me to revive this topic from the semi-dead...

Anyways, I've been brainstorming over the last couple of days, and I just wanted a little feedback on my latest idea. It's incomplete, as I'm still working on it, but I have a basic framework for the world mechanics, plot background (no summary beyond a description; that would be spoiling it) and the perspectives it would be told from.

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What I'd like to know is...does that sound interesting to anyone? Is it the sort of thing people would be interested in reading? Or is it a bad idea? Should I never post in this section again? Any questions? Thoughts? Or whatever else you feel like saying, really. xD

I have other ideas I'd like to write, but...one thing at a time, haha.
 

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What I'd like to know is...does that sound interesting to anyone? Is it the sort of thing people would be interested in reading? Or is it a bad idea? Should I never post in this section again? Any questions? Thoughts? Or whatever else you feel like saying, really. xD

I have other ideas I'd like to write, but...one thing at a time, haha.
This idea actually sounds awesome. Unfortunately I can't write it, but I'm sure other people will agree that it's really creative. For some reason i'm reminded of Cardcaptor Sakura; although your plot is obviously going to be more serious. I also think that adapting the original game storylines into different stories using these mechanics would be interesting.
 

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This idea actually sounds awesome. Unfortunately I can't write it, but I'm sure other people will agree that it's really creative. For some reason i'm reminded of Cardcaptor Sakura; although your plot is obviously going to be more serious. I also think that adapting the original game storylines into different stories using these mechanics would be interesting.
That'd be the card aspect, no doubt...to be honest, that DID kinda influence my decision a little, although it'll be going a little deeper than that in ways I'm still toying with. One thing I wanted to include was a tarot deck. It'd be set up a bit differently - for one, there would be only 15 unaligned cards, and five suits - but it'd be a bit of a foreshadowing/plot hinting device. Cards would represent major players and Pokemon, and have other meanings outside of that, which would change depending upon the setup, current world affairs, and whatever I want to hint at. I've always loved foreshadowing.

...I am so, SO tempted to require chants to summon Legendary Pokemon, though. Maybe in the bloopers I can come up with some creative rhyming couplets. "Power of Almighty Time, heed my creative singsong rhyme!" xD

There will be elements of the game storylines in it if/when I write it...although saying how would spoil it, so I shall not be saying how. Let's just say that all things supernatural are connected and leave it at that for now~

I was also considering having Pokemon Trainer equivalents in it - there will be different classes of Pokemon summoners in it, and one such class will be Elementals who are, as the name would suggest, those who are capable of only summoning one type of Pokemon, but do it significantly better than others. Master Elementals are the recognized best. They could be Gym Leaders; this is an expensive thing, and the nobility, in their peaceful lives, might appreciate it. There are also going to be Four Sovereign Generals, who wil serve in an Elite Four capacity whilst they try and pick an Imperial Family member to support who won't end up dead five minutes after they announce their intentions for the throne. xD

The problem is I'm not sure HOW that would fit into the story...perhaps one Imperial Candidate could try and prove him or herself worthy by seeking to prove they were a Master of the Pokemon that the Empire is built up on, but that seems a little...forced. But it's something to consider...it's a strategy I'm sure one of them would try. Win the respect of the people, and all that. Someone always tries it. It usually works, too. Ahahaha.

Regardless, I'm glad you like the idea and am most grateful for your feedback <3
 

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I hope you know that my comparing your plot to Cardcator Sakura is actually a good thing.
Tarot foreshadowing is always great, and coming up with your own suits puts a good spin on it. That way you already bypass the common problem that writers run into when they use that kind of symbolism (i.e. not knowing what the cards actually mean).
The problem is I'm not sure HOW that would fit into the story...perhaps one Imperial Candidate could try and prove him or herself worthy by seeking to prove they were a Master of the Pokemon that the Empire is built up on, but that seems a little...forced. But it's something to consider...
Well, it wouldn't have to be forced. The Imperial Canidate wouldn't have to be on the equivalent of a pokemon journey. He/she could actually want to spark a revolution or genocide (think Lysandre or Ghetsis). In these fantasy settings, people are going to be vying for power, right? So the protagonist, or one of the protagonists, could actually be a villain who wants to kill the competition, as it were. Or alternately, this villain might not be the protagonist, but could be one step ahead of the hero, and the hero goes off to try and stop the villain and ends up challenging the same people the villain challenged. That way the hero would have a clearer motivation, especially if he or she is the chosen one or something.
 

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I hope you know that my comparing your plot to Cardcator Sakura is actually a good thing.
Tarot foreshadowing is always great, and coming up with your own suits puts a good spin on it. That way you already bypass the common problem that writers run into when they use that kind of symbolism (i.e. not knowing what the cards actually mean).
I'd take it as a good thing regardless - I grew up with that show~
That was my thinking; the comparison is more to illustrate the point than anything else. Since cards are already used to seal the Pokemon, having another set without Pokemon in them to divine the state of the world is fairly logical. I'd prefer to avoid too many real-world comparisons as well, which is why I wouldn't just assign random Pokemon to tarot cards. The suits I have in mind also allow for a more direct integration of the characters into it. Cards are representative of characters, rather than the other way around. I was going to use the deck primarily with the Acolyte character - her doing a reading and finding she was the Queen of Truth (Truth being one of the suits) would prompt her to freak out and set her into a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. In running from your destiny you often run towards it, and all that. xD

...plus I have no real knowledge of tarot cards. A better comparison for the idea would be to the Deck of Dragons used in the Malazan Book of the Fallen, really, but I'm willing to bet most people haven't read those books. xD;

Well, it wouldn't have to be forced. The Imperial Canidate wouldn't have to be on the equivalent of a pokemon journey. He/she could actually want to spark a revolution or genocide (think Lysandre or Ghetsis). In these fantasy settings, people are going to be vying for power, right? So the protagonist, or one of the protagonists, could actually be a villain who wants to kill the competition, as it were. Or alternately, this villain might not be the protagonist, but could be one step ahead of the hero, and the hero goes off to try and stop the villain and ends up challenging the same people the villain challenged. That way the hero would have a clearer motivation, especially if he or she is the chosen one or something.
Well, I meant forced as in "I'm including it for the sake of including it" not "including it would require a considerable re-write" as it wouldn't - the journey part of it wouldn't require a great deal of travelling, a capturing Pokemon requires "shifting" into their dimension. I'm still working on the mechanics of that, but you'd wind up back in the same place you started at once you returned to the human world. The scope of the world wouldn't be too large to begin with - set in the capital mostly, with a little travelling from others; the world I'd build up in subsequent stories or as I went and found the need to expand - but I wouldn't need to frantically come up with new places for a certain character just because they were moving about.

You make some good points, although I wouldn't be dealing too much in heroes and villains - just people with different motivations. Right and wrong are perspectives, and I'd leave those up to the reader. Everyone wants the same thing: power. Whether or not what they do with that power, or how they go about getting it, is right or wrong, I'd leave up to you to decide. An Imperial Family member out on a journey would be a protagonist, and they'd probably be more virtuous than their siblings, who are just killing off the competition, but...they're fighting to preserve an Empire that was built on the backs of slaves, ruled through terror, and cares little for the common people. Does that make them virtuous? Up to you. Although the motivations for this character could be somewhat similar to Ghetsis in particular...there is the possibility the barbarian with Zekrom could find himself challenging these same people, as well; it depends on where I ultimately decide to take him.

I would definitely be playing the "hero becomes a villain" angle in perspectives, though - I love that angle. Someone you root for could do something you hate them for...and getting attached to anyone would be a bad idea. Nobody is immune to sudden death for the sake of the plot. xD
 

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I'd take it as a good thing regardless - I grew up with that show~
That was my thinking; the comparison is more to illustrate the point than anything else. Since cards are already used to seal the Pokemon, having another set without Pokemon in them to divine the state of the world is fairly logical. I'd prefer to avoid too many real-world comparisons as well, which is why I wouldn't just assign random Pokemon to tarot cards. The suits I have in mind also allow for a more direct integration of the characters into it. Cards are representative of characters, rather than the other way around. I was going to use the deck primarily with the Acolyte character - her doing a reading and finding she was the Queen of Truth (Truth being one of the suits) would prompt her to freak out and set her into a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. In running from your destiny you often run towards it, and all that. xD

...plus I have no real knowledge of tarot cards. A better comparison for the idea would be to the Deck of Dragons used in the Malazan Book of the Fallen, really, but I'm willing to bet most people haven't read those books. xD;
That makes sense to me. Can humans be sealed into cards or object as well, then? Or is there some sort of distinct barrier between human and pokemon?
Well, I meant forced as in "I'm including it for the sake of including it" not "including it would require a considerable re-write" as it wouldn't - the journey part of it wouldn't require a great deal of travelling, a capturing Pokemon requires "shifting" into their dimension. I'm still working on the mechanics of that, but you'd wind up back in the same place you started at once you returned to the human world. The scope of the world wouldn't be too large to begin with - set in the capital mostly, with a little travelling from others; the world I'd build up in subsequent stories or as I went and found the need to expand - but I wouldn't need to frantically come up with new places for a certain character just because they were moving about.
Right, that wouldn't be a good idea... I don't know how much writing you've already; I just kind of assumed that you only had a vague plot. I just love sticking my foot in my mouth.

I'm sort of reminded of the Hobbit... you don't need to have the characters travel very far in your world for a grand adventure to take place. In fact, keeping things a bit mysterious is a good idea to build interest. You're completely right here.
You make some good points, although I wouldn't be dealing too much in heroes and villains - just people with different motivations. Right and wrong are perspectives, and I'd leave those up to the reader. Everyone wants the same thing: power. Whether or not what they do with that power, or how they go about getting it, is right or wrong, I'd leave up to you to decide. An Imperial Family member out on a journey would be a protagonist, and they'd probably be more virtuous than their siblings, who are just killing off the competition, but...they're fighting to preserve an Empire that was built on the backs of slaves, ruled through terror, and cares little for the common people. Does that make them virtuous? Up to you. Although the motivations for this character could be somewhat similar to Ghetsis in particular...there is the possibility the barbarian with Zekrom could find himself challenging these same people, as well; it depends on where I ultimately decide to take him.

I would definitely be playing the "hero becomes a villain" angle in perspectives, though - I love that angle. Someone you root for could do something you hate them for...and getting attached to anyone would be a bad idea. Nobody is immune to sudden death for the sake of the plot. xD
Ah... so it's one of those fantasy worlds. >_>
Honestly it sounds like you have everything almost figured out already. I know I'm just floundering here, but your ideas all sound great. I'm sorry I can't really be more helpful, just... get to writing it, I guess. :)
 

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That makes sense to me. Can humans be sealed into cards or object as well, then? Or is there some sort of distinct barrier between human and pokemon?

Right, that wouldn't be a good idea... I don't know how much writing you've already; I just kind of assumed that you only had a vague plot. I just love sticking my foot in my mouth.
I hadn't thought of that! I would say that yes, that is entirely possible. With the exception of Legendaries, Pokemon can't cross over into the human world on their own power, but humans that cross over into their dimension would be vulnerable to being captured by Pokemon themselves if they weren't careful, and having their bodies taken as vessels and as sources of energy; it only stands to reason that would be the case, as a) it's not their home dimension, and b) fusing with Pokemon in their own dimension to take all their power requires they overwhelm that Pokemon's will, and comes with the risk that they'll lose their bodies or, more likely, go insane. The same rules for fusion would apply - any Pokemon that did this would need to keep their human in check, lest they wind up getting taken over themselves. But that could be an answer to how Mega Evolution works...

I have a clear overarching plot, but individual vague plots, so it was a fair assumption...if I had the idea FULLY formed, I wouldn't be posting in here for feedback and ideas; I'd be writing it and praying people liked it. So you're being most helpful <3

I'm sort of reminded of the Hobbit... you don't need to have the characters travel very far in your world for a grand adventure to take place. In fact, keeping things a bit mysterious is a good idea to build interest. You're completely right here.

Ah... so it's one of those fantasy worlds. >_>
Honestly it sounds like you have everything almost figured out already. I know I'm just floundering here, but your ideas all sound great. I'm sorry I can't really be more helpful, just... get to writing it, I guess. :)
I'll be honest - I've never been very good at writing travelling stories, either. I have very little concept of distance, and how long it would take to cover a certain distance. I've read very successful novels that don't go into any detail about this, but I'd rather just set most of it in one large city and let all break loose there as people do their things~

Yep...is that a bad thing? I know most people like it, but I personally get so BORED when good and evil are absolutely defined. xD;
Sort of...still need to work out some of the kinks, although I may be ready to start in a couple of days...I need a rough chapter outline first; it helps stave off writer's block if I know roughly what I need to cover in each chapter in advance. I'm writing a glossary as I go, because I will not be taking the time to explain every little detail in the story; it interrupts the flow of the narrative. xD
 

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I have a clear overarching plot, but individual vague plots, so it was a fair assumption...if I had the idea FULLY formed, I wouldn't be posting in here for feedback and ideas; I'd be writing it and praying people liked it. So you're being most helpful <3
I-Isn't it too early to be using the "<3" emoticon??? *blushes*
I'll be honest - I've never been very good at writing travelling stories, either. I have very little concept of distance, and how long it would take to cover a certain distance. I've read very successful novels that don't go into any detail about this, but I'd rather just set most of it in one large city and let all break loose there as people do their things~
I think it helps when you either:

1) Have multiple characters travelling together, so you can show a lot of time has passed because of a few isolated incidents and their relationship changing (something that takes time)
or 2) If you only have one character, focus on their mental state and how tired/determined they are. Not every story has to follow the some arbitrary number of words=some fixed distance.
Yep...is that a bad thing? I know most people like it, but I personally get so BORED when good and evil are absolutely defined. xD;
No, it isn't bad. It's just that the Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas approach seems to be really popular nowadays. But I'm all for people dying and grey morality! :D
 
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