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Old February 3rd, 2016 (4:40 PM). Edited February 13th, 2016 by bobandbill.
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That is a base for the Froslass segment, just so yall can comment on the formatting and content and stuffs. If it looks like I went ahead and made a draft before this idea got formally approved, it's because I did really just so I can receive input on anything else people might want to see or whatever.

and thanks for that list Wolf. As I implied at the bottom of that draft-like object, I'll probably do Quagsire next if this gets approved because I have used it a ton and it does stuff.

Name was also changed to "Why [Pokemon] Doesn't Suck, etc." Thread title will be changed to reflect this.

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Why Froslass Doesn’t Suck [Smogon OU]

Welcome to the first edition of "Pokémon That Don’t Suck", where I shall explain how you can use an underused - yet cool – Pokémon in a competitive setting, and when and where not to use them.

Today I shall rant about a Pokémon introduced in the 4th generation as an additional evolution for female Snorunt, bearing the unique typing of Ice and Ghost. It is said to be a reincarnation of a woman lost in an icy mountain, and its body is actually hollow. Ewwwww. I am, of course, referencing Froslass. I will now proceed to explain where, when, why, and how to use it in Smogon’s OU tier while making as few terrible Frozen puns as possible. Bundle up and hang onto your hats, because winter is coming. Onward!

Obligatory Term/Abbreviation Dump
For those new to the scene, here are a couple terms and abbreviations I throw around in this post
4MSS - 4 Move Slot Syndrome - wanting/needing to run more than the allowed 4 moves
SpAtk/SpDef - Special Attack/Defense
OU, UU, RU - Smogon's Tiers of Overused, Underused, and Rarely Used respectively. These are a set of rules that most people play by outside of official tournaments that group all Pokémon into strength tiers. These are all played in Singles, rather than Doubles like official tournaments. Info about OU can be found here.
M-[Pokémon] - Mega [Pokémon]

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If I didn't know better, I would say it's petting the tree.
Source: The Pokémon Company (Anime episode DP116 "The Drifting Snorunt!")


#478 Froslass
Species: Snow Land
Type: Ghost, Ice
Abilities: Snow Cloak, Cursed Body (Hidden)
Weaknesses: Ghost, Dark, Steel, Rock, Fire
Evolves from: Snorunt (Dawn Stone, Female Only)
Height: 1.3 m
Weight: 26.6 kg
Tier: UU (Banned from RU)
January OU Usage: 0.594% (174th)

Base Stats (range @ Lv100)
HP: 70 (250-344)
Attack: 80 (148-284)
Defense: 70 (130-262)
SpAtk: 80 (148-284)
Speed: 110 (202-350)
Total: 480

Froslass has a wonderful base 110 Speed to its name, but its other stats are a bit below average. It has weaknesses to the annoyingly common Fire and Steel types. Its abilities are unimpressive, with Cursed Body having a 30% chance of disabling any enemy attack that hits Froslass, and Snow Cloak raising its Evasion in Hail. However, its access to high quality utility moves such as Spikes and Taunt make it an ideal suicide lead, often being able to set up a layer or two of Spikes while still trading on the opposing lead with either Destiny Bond or Ice Beam. Froslass can also lay claim to a great Special movepool, with access to the mighty BoltBeam combo (Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, which have perfect neutral coverage together), Shadow Ball, Psychic, and the like. However its Physical movepool consists of... Ice Shard, Avalanche, and Wake-Up Slap, I guess? Not much. It lacks any form of stat boosting though, so it is not recommended.



The Set

SPIKES OF DESTINY!!!!!
Froslass @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body/Snow Cloak
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (Speed>Attack)
- Taunt
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Beam/Icy Wind/Thunderbolt

This is the default Froslass set, and it works like no other Pokémon in OU can claim to do.

Spikes are what Froslass ends up providing to the team, by damaging anything that switches in until they are cleared. Taunt annoys most common hazard setters by preventing them from setting hazards (or using any other Status moves for that matter), and prevents Defoggers from removing your Spikes.

Destiny Bond rewards correctly prophesizing your demise by taking the enemy down if Froslass is KOed when Destiny Bond is the last move you used. Running Focus Sash makes this easier by allowing you to survive a killing blow from full health, which usually results in opponents going for the kill the next turn.

Your 4th moveslot is largely situational. Ice Beam hits the hardest, and gets the OHKO on defensive Garchomp and Landorus-T. Icy Wind provides great utility with its 100% chance to slow, and has a 98.3% chance of OHKOing uninvested Landorus-T, but loses the ability to one-hit Garchomp. Thunderbolt is a coverage move to be used only if the rest of your team is specifically weak to a Pokémon. In this case it allows for Froslass to 2HKO the omnipresent Skarmory and Talonflame, because the cold never bothered them anyway.

Timid nature is used because the speed boost allows for tying with other +Speed base 110s like Timid Latios and Latias, as well as Jolly M-Metagross and M-Gallade, and outspeeding neutral natured base 125s (or lower) like Adamant Weavile or Modest Raikou and Serperior while only losing points in an unused Attack stat given Froslass’ non-existent Physical movepool. The EVs are placed where they are to allow for said speed checks and maximize the damage of the attacking move of your choice, as it is just not bulky enough to take a hit and its physical movepool is still lacking. Note that it does not outspeed most forms of Talonflame, even if it tries to Flare Blitz you. Cursed Body is the preferred ability because disabling things is fun, however it does screw up predicting Destiny Bond sometimes, so go with Snow Cloak if you are worried about that (or are running a Hail team, which is another story).

Other options include a bulkier Pain Split set, but 70/70/70 defenses are not ideal for any bulky set. It is also in theory the best Specially Attacking Ice type, so a set with Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Destiny Bond doesn’t sound like the worst idea until you consider its low 80 base SpAtk stat, which is lower than Stunfisk and Prinplup (really bad).



To Use or Not to Use…

Pros:
·Base 110 Speed is better than most other leads, like Landorus-T's base 91 speed, Excadrill's base 88, and Garchomp's base 102
·Checks many Stealth Rockers i.e. Garchomp and Landorus-T
·Latios and Latias don't enjoy switching into Froslass, despite them being perfectly good switch-ins for leads other than Scarf Landorus-T
·Destiny Bond gives it more trading potential than other leads. Froslass will often give you the advantage in a matchup by taking out one enemy Pokémon while still getting Spikes out
·Very good at protecting its Spikes, as its Ghost typing prevents Rapid Spin from working and Taunt blocking the use of Defog
·Its Spikes can be stacked with Stealth Rocks from a teammate (sure, this applies to all Spikes users, but you cannot stack Rocks with more Rocks)
·Much less likely to be setup bait then other Hazard setters, as Taunt blocks most forms of setup (except possibly Hawlucha Unburden trigger, but Ice Beam OHKOes him anyway)

Cons:
·It does not get Stealth Rocks, and Spikes just is not as strong
·Is an Ice type, and has a metric ton (5) of weaknesses
·Suffers from pretty heavy 4MSS
·Does not get Prankster
·Gets completely screwed over by Pursuit trappers like Bisharp, Weavile, and Tyranitar. Tyranitar also has Sand Stream, which allows for bypassing Focus Sash
·Heavily prediction-based
·Defog and Rapid Spin can be used to remove Spikes as soon as Froslass goes down (which it will)
·Utterly useless in most roles other than a suicide lead (no bulk and no stat boosting moves)
·Anything that outspeeds, including Choice Scarf users like Excadrill, prevent Destiny Bond revenge-kills and hugely inhibit Froslass’ potential, as you cannot take one hit and then Destiny Bond
·Magic Bounce users like Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie render Froslass helpless
·Priority attacks that can hit Ghost types (Bullet Punch, Flying type attacks with Gale Wings, anything used by Mega Lopunny) have the same effect as being outsped in that you cannot easily Destiny Bond them

Points of Comparison
Here, I’ll throw out some common Pokémon that are hypothetically better at doing some of the things Froslass does.

·Hazard Setters: Excadrill, Landorus-T, Hippowdon, Garchomp, Tyranitar, heck, even Klefki. The list goes on and on. The first five mentioned get the far superior Stealth Rocks, and Klefki has this nice ability called Prankster, which gives your opponents hell by turning every non-damaging move into Quick Attack.
·Spinblockers: Gengar and M-Sabelye. Ewwww. Both of these will be mentioned again below, don’t you worry about it.
·Destiny Bonders: Gengar or Gardevoir (but don’t run D-Bond on Gard please). This one is a utility (Froslass) vs damage (Gengar) issue.
·Hazard Prevention: Mega Sableye. Magic Bounce exists. I suppose I could throw the other Magic Bounce users (M-Diancie, M-Absol, or Espeon/Xatu if you want to pretend it’s gen 5) in here too, but what gives?
·Taunters: Thundurus has Prankster should he choose to accept it, but does not have the rest of Froslass’ utility.

I generally use Froslass on teams that need hazard setup and are noticeably weak to Stealth Rocks, especially if I already have Rocks on the team, as Froslass checks many common Stealth Rock users. The other situation where I use Froslass is when my team truly cannot afford to be down a Pokémon after the setup turns.



TL;DR: If you need a combination of the ability to set hazards, get trades, and control enemy hazards and boosting all in one nice package, Froslass is for you. If you just need one of those things however, it is probably better to just let it go.



So that’s it for this segment of “Pokémon That Don't Suck.” Check back later for more shenanigans and a Pokémon that literally could not care less about anyone or anything. Or maybe it’s just Unaware of what goes on around it. Until then, discussion in the comments below is accepted, encouraged, and requested. Direct questions or suggestions for this column as a whole, including suggesting new Pokémon to rant about, to the discussion thread for this column. Until next time, you stay classy PokéCommunity.

I assure you, no Frozen puns will be made in the next article.

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Froslass Sprite: http://www.pkparaiso.com/, The Pokémon Company

Changelog:
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- added a bad caption for the image
- added a line between "The Subject" and appropriate content for consistency

8 Feb 2016
- sourced images
- added abbreviation dump

8 Feb 2016
- added appropriate spaces

7 Feb 2016
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- redid intro
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Good start so far, imo.

Couple remarks/points that come to mind before you do finish off the draft (also please post when done even if it's a double post so we notice that it's ready for editing!):
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I would suggest splitting into more paragraphs for added readability for the parts explaining the suggested set. I've always found on other sites that longer paragraphs explaining multiple points of reasoning for battle sets harder to read.
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I'll welcome discussion and debate from other Daily staff folks on how the intro should be written, but it could be more formal than this. For example, "Welcome to the first edition of "Why Pokémon Doesn't Suck", where we explain how you can use an underused - yet cool - Pokémon." is a starting point, and I'd suggest against "Ok enough intro. Content time!"

We also need to consider if we want the article to be written as a 'we' (Daily = we) or you specifically throughout. As you're the sole writer here I'd say the latter (e.g. "I feel, I present", etc), but I'm less sure about starting with "In which I, [username]...". In part I say this because at the top of the article will be a fancy title + mini-avatar stating you are the author already - and on the article previews on the main page as well, so repeating your username is unnecessary at best.

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Edited le draft. Elected to use I as the personal pronoun of choice, split some paragraphs, etc.

I would prefer to be credited as ddrox13 with the username ddrox13 and the email of [email protected]
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You should have the email now (check spam if it's not in the inbox).

Regarding avatars, you can edit at the very bottom of this page after you do password stuff and login: http://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-admin/profile.php [Login: http://daily.pokecommunity.com/daily-account-login]

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    Spikes are what Froslass ends up providing to the team, by damaging anything that switches in until they are cleared.Taunt annoys most common hazard setters by preventing them from setting hazards (or using any other Status moves for that matter), and prevents Defoggers from removing your Spikes.
    Missed a space between the two sentences here.

    Also, not quite sure if you want to say "annoys most common hazard setters by preventing them from setting hazards" like that. Obviously hazard setters are prevented from setting hazards.

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    The EVs are placed where they are because they are the only stats Froslass ever uses.Cursed Body is the preferred ability because disabling things is fun*,
    Another spacing between sentences issue.

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    Missed the space after the colon and after the comma.

    Maybe try this image? [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokemon/gen6/xy-animated/478.gif[/img]

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    I was using the gifs as like a border between sections, so a line made more sense to me than a single floating ghost-ice thing. I fixed the sizes (I think), so see how it looks now.

    Also, Finished the draft!

    EDIT: Those damn ninja's...

    I think I fixed most of the spaces, but I will go back and fix the rest riiiight now
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    Alrighty, editing stage!

    Just going mostly on sentence structure and etc, as I'm no expert on singles. I'll leave that to others, but I have made a couple suggestions on that too. Overall I like the article; just needs a bit of tidying up here and there. Not far off!
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    I think we may just go with 'Why Froslass Doesn't Suck' for the article title. You can include the other details within the excerpt (short sentence on what the article is about, e.g. "The first entry on why specific Pokémon don't suck!") - if you have any suggestions for that do share!
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    Welcome to the first edition of "Pokémon That Don’t Suck, etc.",
    I'd also stick to just 'Pokémon That Don't Suck".
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    I will discuss how to use some awesome Pokémon, and when and when not to use them.
    "and when and where/where and when".
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    I of course am referencing Froslass, and will now proceed to explain (...)
    I'd reword slightly - "I am, of course, referencing Froslass. I will explain (...)"
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    For those new to the scene, here are a couple terms and abbreviations I throw around in this post
    Chuck in a full stop at the end.

    I like the idea of adding those terms and their explanations here. I'd perhaps bold the terms before the descriptions. Mybe beforehand in the intro mention this is for Singles as well, for readers who don't know what OU is.
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    OU - Smogon Overused
    Smogon's Overused, maybe?

    I like the anime gif there - do you want to have a caption for the image? If so, please edit it in.
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    Evolves from: Snorunt (Dawn Stone, Female Only)(and would someone tell Google that it does not evolve from Glalie?)
    While amusing, maybe it'd be better to drop the Google remark.
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    Base Stats (range @Lv100)
    Maybe have a space after the @.

    I still feel that you only need the one animated sprite - a bunch of them in a row may act as a line break, but we can do that with spacing and headings in the article anyway, and multiple are... rather distracting to the writing itself, I find.

    There's also a weird floating '2' at the end of those.

    The explanation for the set looks pretty good to me!
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    Timid nature is used because speed is cool*. The EVs are placed where they are because they are the only stats Froslass ever uses. Cursed Body is the preferred ability because disabling things is fun*, however it does screw up predicting Destiny Bond sometimes, so go with Snow Cloak if you are worried about that (or are running a Hail team, which is another story).
    This could perhaps use a bit more expansion - e.g. the EVs are there because the Focus Sash and Destiny Bond approach mean that boosting defense is wasteful (and it is frail anyway) - so max speed and SpA means higher chance of hurting things more or outspeeding opponents to get moves like Destiny Bond in, while a bit more on what the abilities do would be neat. The latter could go early in the article however, in 'The Subject' segment by Abilities.
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    Its also in theory the best Specially Attacking Ice type*
    It is, rather than Its (which is possessive). I'm unsure if you should pyut a * behind so many parts as well even if it's for a joke.
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    so a set with Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Destiny Bond doesn’t sound like the worst idea until you consider its low 80 base SpAtk and how Weavile does 6 times* more damage to anything not named M-Slowbro.
    I feel this could maybe use some more explanation, or simpler wording (bringing Weavile into it with '6 times more damage unless M-Slowbro' somewhat confuses the point of "Froslass isn't very good at pure damage output").
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    ·Base 110 Speed is better than most other leads
    Examples of such leads, maybe?
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    Destiny Bond gives it more trading potential than other leads
    What is trading potential? That may be good to quickly explain there.
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    Very good at protecting its Spikes as a Ghost-Type Taunt user
    Maybe add the explanation (it blocks the move Rapid Spin).
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    Much less likely to be setup bait then otherHazard setters
    Space required.
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    ·Is an Ice type, and has a metric ton (5) of weaknesses.
    This bullet point unlike any other has a full stop, so I'd remove it for consistency. Same for the last two points.

    I'd also add in that anything with priority moves (Bullet Punch, etc) that isn't Quick Attack (lol) or Extremespeed can also mess with Destiny Bond plans - more prediction required.
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    I'd probably drop this.
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    (notice the title case)
    Likewise - no need to spell out hints imo, it's neat enough without this.
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    I feel we should be more formal in rounding out the article. Avoid giving your email (we won't put emails in any articles), and there's no need to direct users to the discussion thread as the comments part of any article page does that already. Something shorter/simpler and along the lines of "Share your thoughts in the comments below!"
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    Source: The Pokémon Company. Can keep the anime episode info however with that.
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    I also feel like there could be a little more expansion about choices in the paragraphs explaining the set, although the one I'm hung up most on is this one:
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    Timid nature is used because speed is cool*.
    It's the one that stuck out the most to me as I read through it. I'm just thinking about what would happen if I came across this without knowing much about anything, and my first reaction to that sentence is a "why?", pretty much. Right now it reads as a "just because" kind of statement, and I feel that even a small thing like "this nature used because it helps this already awesome stat that was mentioned previously" (or something similar) would help it overcome that.

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    Checks Latios and Latias, which is a nice addition to any squad
    Bit of a confusing sentence. I know the last half is, of course, referring to Froslass, but it could also be potentially read as referring to the Latis mentioned there, so...

    Perhaps something like:
    Checks Latios and Latias, making it a nice addition to any squad

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    Magic Bounce users like Mega Sabelye and Mega Diancie render Froslass helpless.
    Just a spellcheck here for "Sableye".

    Oh, and skipping around back to the beginning, the little terms list at the beginning is great, and yet, while you mentioned OU there, there's this among the stats for Froslass:
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    Tier: UU (Banned from RU)
    You mentioned one tier, and yet the abbreviations for these other tiers are never expanded upon for those who may have no idea what they are. Maybe edit the list a bit to include those? Could work as each on their own line, or even just grouped up on one (so like: OU, UU, RU - [the meaning of them here], brief explanation about them being rulesets etc.).

    Pretty good so far, though. :>
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    ·Checks Latios and Latias, which is a nice addition to any squad3
    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Froslass: 312-368 (111 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Froslass: 191-226 (67.9 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Life Orb is very common on the Latis, and even without it, Latias can 2HKO it with both of its most common moves (Draco Meteor will still OHKO with rocks up). Latios has a higher base SpA so I'm not even going to calculate it.

    They have the same base speed as well, so even if you do switch Froslass in to one and survive, there's a 50/50 chance you'll actually get to use Ice Beam, and that won't even kill it, so it dies anyway.

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    I don't see the fact that its Spikes can be stacked with Stealth Rock* from another team mate* as an advantage, that goes for any Pokémon that runs Spikes.
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    Alrighty, editing stage!

    Just going mostly on sentence structure and etc, as I'm no expert on singles. I'll leave that to others, but I have made a couple suggestions on that too. Overall I like the article; just needs a bit of tidying up here and there. Not far off!
    That's better than I can say for my English essay...

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    I think we may just go with 'Why Froslass Doesn't Suck' for the article title. You can include the other details within the excerpt (short sentence on what the article is about, e.g. "The first entry on why specific Pokémon don't suck!") - if you have any suggestions for that do share!
    I'd also stick to just 'Pokémon That Don't Suck".
    Fine, I'll remove the etc. from the end of the titles :(

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    "and when and where/where and when".
    I'd reword slightly - "I am, of course, referencing Froslass. I will explain (...)"
    Chuck in a full stop at the end.
    Yup, that makes sense. Will fix shortly

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    I like the idea of adding those terms and their explanations here. I'd perhaps bold the terms before the descriptions. Mybe beforehand in the intro mention this is for Singles as well, for readers who don't know what OU is.
    Smogon's Overused, maybe?
    That makes a ton of sense.

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    I like the anime gif there - do you want to have a caption for the image? If so, please edit it in.
    While amusing, maybe it'd be better to drop the Google remark.
    I think that image explains itself, but I shall add something witty if I can think of it.

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    Maybe have a space after the @.
    *checks .docx file* Yup, that was one of the spaces that got removed.

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    I still feel that you only need the one animated sprite - a bunch of them in a row may act as a line break, but we can do that with spacing and headings in the article anyway, and multiple are... rather distracting to the writing itself, I find.

    There's also a weird floating '2' at the end of those.
    I'll remove a bunch of those Froslass. The floating 2 is superscript to reference a footnote (the citation), but if you have some other citation method in place that can be changed

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    The explanation for the set looks pretty good to me!
    This could perhaps use a bit more expansion - e.g. the EVs are there because the Focus Sash and Destiny Bond approach mean that boosting defense is wasteful (and it is frail anyway) - so max speed and SpA means higher chance of hurting things more or outspeeding opponents to get moves like Destiny Bond in, while a bit more on what the abilities do would be neat. The latter could go early in the article however, in 'The Subject' segment by Abilities.
    Ok, so mabye I should have actually explained the EVs. I'll go do that.

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    It is, rather than Its (which is possessive). I'm unsure if you should pyut a * behind so many parts as well even if it's for a joke.
    I always do that. And that joke is useless and outdated, so that is gone as well

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    I feel this could maybe use some more explanation, or simpler wording (bringing Weavile into it with '6 times more damage unless M-Slowbro' somewhat confuses the point of "Froslass isn't very good at pure damage output").
    Yeah, that section as a whole is a bit of a mess. Changing that now.

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    Examples of such leads, maybe?
    What is trading potential? That may be good to quickly explain there.
    Maybe add the explanation (it blocks the move Rapid Spin).
    derp

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    SCREW THIS SPACE-BANISHING FORUM EDITOR GAHHHH

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    This bullet point unlike any other has a full stop, so I'd remove it for consistency. Same for the last two points.
    Will do

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    I'd also add in that anything with priority moves (Bullet Punch, etc) that isn't Quick Attack (lol) or Extremespeed can also mess with Destiny Bond plans - more prediction required.
    Yup, I'll add that too

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    I'd probably drop this.
    Likewise - no need to spell out hints imo, it's neat enough without this.
    My jokes are terrible.

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    I feel we should be more formal in rounding out the article. Avoid giving your email (we won't put emails in any articles), and there's no need to direct users to the discussion thread as the comments part of any article page does that already. Something shorter/simpler and along the lines of "Share your thoughts in the comments below!"
    Yeah, I screwed around with this bit. I'll formalize that.

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    Source: The Pokémon Company. Can keep the anime episode info however with that.
    And we are back to he citations again

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    I also feel like there could be a little more expansion about choices in the paragraphs explaining the set, although the one I'm hung up most on is this one:

    It's the one that stuck out the most to me as I read through it. I'm just thinking about what would happen if I came across this without knowing much about anything, and my first reaction to that sentence is a "why?", pretty much. Right now it reads as a "just because" kind of statement, and I feel that even a small thing like "this nature used because it helps this already awesome stat that was mentioned previously" (or something similar) would help it overcome that.
    Ummm, right. yeah. formality...

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    Bit of a confusing sentence. I know the last half is, of course, referring to Froslass, but it could also be potentially read as referring to the Latis mentioned there, so...

    Perhaps something like:
    Checks Latios and Latias, making it a nice addition to any squad
    That makes sense

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    Just a spellcheck here for "Sableye".
    I think I have spelled Sableye at least 8 different ways in the last 2 weeks. I always get this one wrong.

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    Oh, and skipping around back to the beginning, the little terms list at the beginning is great, and yet, while you mentioned OU there, there's this among the stats for Froslass:

    You mentioned one tier, and yet the abbreviations for these other tiers are never expanded upon for those who may have no idea what they are. Maybe edit the list a bit to include those? Could work as each on their own line, or even just grouped up on one (so like: OU, UU, RU - [the meaning of them here], brief explanation about them being rulesets etc.).

    Pretty good so far, though. :>
    Yup, will add this

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    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Froslass: 312-368 (111 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Froslass: 191-226 (67.9 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Life Orb is very common on the Latis, and even without it, Latias can 2HKO it with both of its most common moves (Draco Meteor will still OHKO with rocks up). Latios has a higher base SpA so I'm not even going to calculate it.

    They have the same base speed as well, so even if you do switch Froslass in to one and survive, there's a 50/50 chance you'll actually get to use Ice Beam, and that won't even kill it, so it dies anyway.
    That statement was misworded to begin with, I meant that the latis don't like switching into Froslass (Focus Sash, etc.), despite being a fine switch-in to most hazard leads that don't run Knock Off

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    Might remove this one, I dunno

    All of these edits will be applied once I get another few seconds of free time. Thanks for all the help!
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    Another set of edits! Content looks fine overall, and most of this is just for new stuff that was written.
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    Welcome to the first edition of "Pokémon That Don’t Suck", where I shall explain how you can use an underused - yet cool –Pokémon in a competitive setting. I will discuss how to use some awesome Pokémon, and when and when not to use them.
    On second thoughts, this introduction repeats itself slightly and could be merged into one sentence (“…how you can use an underused - yet cool –Pokémon in a competitive setting, and when and where not to use them.”) Note the double ‘when and when’ you still have there as well.

    The term/abbreviation section looks better – still feel the terms themselves could be in bold.
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    If I didn't know better, I would say it's petting the tree
    Needs a full stop. ALSO:
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    The floating 2 is superscript to reference a footnote (the citation), but if you have some other citation method in place that can be changed
    We do indeed! We can have the citation for the image be within the caption which then becomes “If I didn't know better, I would say it's petting the tree. Source: The Pokémon Company (Anime episode DP116 "The Drifting Snorunt!")"

    …Looking ahead, I’d probably just remove the numbering of the citations and where they are in the text, and just list them at the end, in part because ’ superscript as it looks weird next to an image and adding a caption under that animated sprite seems a touch silly to me.
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    Its abilities are unimpressive, with Cursed Body having a 30% chance of disabling any enemy attack that hits Froslass, and Snow Cloak... Raising its Evasion in Hail?
    ’raising’ rather than Raising (reads better without a new sentence there imo).
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    However it's Physical movepool consists of... Ice Shard, Avalanche, and Wake-Up Slap, I guess? Not much. It lacks any form of stat boosting though, so I dunno...
    its instead of it’s, and I’d finish this part with “…though, so it’s not recommended.”
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    Timid nature is used because the speed boost allows for tying other +Speed base 110s
    ”tying with other”
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    while only losing points in Attack, and Froslass' Physical movepool is basically non-existant.
    Minor reword suggested: “…points in an unused Attack stat given Froslass’ non-existent Physical movepool.”. Note also that existent has an e instead of an a.
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    as it is just not bulky enough to take a hit and it's physical movepool is still lacking
    Another its > it’s case.
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    Its also in theory the best Specially Attacking Ice type
    Now in reverse – try “It is also in theory…”

    Pros and Cons section – decide if you want a full stop after all or none of the bullet points – still some inconsistencies here.
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    (Sure this applies to all Spikes users, but you cannot stack Rocks with more Rocks)
    Maybe “sure, this applies…” - you don’t need the capital as it’s still part of the same sentence, and the comma creates a pause which I think helps.
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    Need a full stop after ‘Suck”’. I’d also reword so the ‘crap’ becomes something else, just to keep formality more than the word itself. Or maybe “…that doesn’t care about anything.”?
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    Not sure you should invite arguing. ;p Again, goes back to the formal point. “Discuss my analysis in the comments below!”. I’d invite suggests for the column to the article series thread rather than your PM box as well. Last line may be best dropped as well – PokéCommunity always has class. ;p
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    All things Pokémon related are copyrighted by Nintendo. Duh.
    Neither of these two lines are necessary either, even if shoutouts are nice. =) Daily staff will include who edited at the bottom of the article, while the copyright thing is done in the footer of every page (forums and Daily) already, so no need to do it twice!
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    Last line may be best dropped as well – PokéCommunity always has class. ;p

    It's a movie reference. Figure it out.
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    It's a movie reference. Figure it out.
    Oh, don't worry, I got the reference! (Anchorman) It just seems a bit out of place to me is all. And my remark was in part a joke too. =p
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    I think that's it. I bolded the stuff in the Abbreviation section and added the most recent OU usage stat for Froslass (Given this is about how Froslass isn't used, I figured this would fit). I also removed the base power of Heat Smash because it was in the way and utterly useless.

    And I'm leaving the Anchorman reference.

    As far as cover images, I have a few ideas

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/0/0e/Froslass_Ice_Beam.png/revision/latest?cb=20140506162616
    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/seviland-encyclopedia/images/0/0c/Paul's_Froslass.png/revision/latest?cb=20110923174855&path-prefix=bg
    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/9/9c/Froslass_Shadow_Ball.png/revision/latest?cb=20140506162651
    All from various anime episodes.
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    Those cover images might not be big enough.
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    Yeah, the images are good in terms of content, but way too small.
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    Luckily reverse google image search is useful! One and three have sufficiently large sizes and decent quality still. So one of those two will be it.
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    Fair enough unless other Daily staff insist, not something I feel too strongly about in the end.

    Last thing (although I'll give the article another look tomorrow after sleep in case) is the title of the article series - it's still a filler one by the article pitching thread, and maybe could be something that doesn't suggest by default that people have generally decided this Pokemon sucks (which from my limited knowledge isn't something that applies to, say, Quagsire). (It also could be confused with another article also drafted called 'Why Eeeve Sucks', which isn't part of this series).

    I'll try to think more on alternative names after the aforementioned sleep, but wolf had "Offbeat/Alternative Competitive Pokemon", off the top of my head is "How to Battle with ___", "Winning with ____", "Don't Discount ____"... Something to discuss at any rate!
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    Yeah, the images are good in terms of content, but way too small.
    Luckily reverse google image search is useful! One and three have sufficiently large sizes and decent quality still. So one of those two will be it.
    Fair enough unless other Daily staff insist, not something I feel too strongly about in the end.

    Last thing (although I'll give the article another look tomorrow after sleep in case) is the title of the article series - it's still a filler one by the article pitching thread, and maybe could be something that doesn't suggest by default that people have generally decided this Pokemon sucks (which from my limited knowledge isn't something that applies to, say, Quagsire). (It also could be confused with another article also drafted called 'Why Eeeve Sucks', which isn't part of this series).

    I'll try to think more on alternative names after the aforementioned sleep, but wolf had "Offbeat/Alternative Competitive Pokemon", off the top of my head is "How to Battle with ___", "Winning with ____", "Don't Discount ____"... Something to discuss at any rate!
    For the cover, i'll take image 1. 3 looks like Froslass is attacking, which I said multiple times not to do.

    If I were to change the title, I would make it "How to ___". Wolf's suggestion could work as a series title.
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    Great article. I'll let it pass with just one minor quibble:
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    Unsure if that's just how that's usually stated in battle analysis - ddrox can explain.

    With Jake's agreement that's enough approval for this article! We'll get it up during the day. One other thing to add is that after a discussion between Daily staff we're in strongly favour of "How to battle with ___" for the article series title. Another point raised on top of the earlier ones is that it makes it clearer the article is about battling rather than some other aspect of the Pokemon, which isn't so clear from "Why ___ Doesn't Suck".

    No need to edit the parts within the article referencing it (unless you want to!) - whoever puts it on the wordpress site will adjust as necessary. =)

    EDIT: You can also if you'd like edit your bio for your wordpress account (can be done on the same profile page where you changed your avatar on).
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    Archy clarified that "[Nature] is used" is standard practise.

    Published! Here's to more battling articles. =) Now to update the credits thread with a few people.
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