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Old May 4th, 2012 (7:42 PM). Edited May 4th, 2012 by Vato.
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    This isn't a question, but a desperate call for help.
    See, I want to take part in one of those RP threads, but there is one huge problem, as I'm mexican and still learning English, I have lots of trouble trying to describe things (seriously, whenever I try, I'm like : "um... the sky is... blue... and it has... clouds" and I'm not joking), but I can describe things greatly in Spanish, so, I wanted to know if someone could help me translating what I write before I post it, as I know nothing but a few words in English but tons of words must people haven't heard in their lives in Spanish.
    Please, I wanna have fun Role Playing, just like everyone else, but I can't because of this problem, just like Remy Zero said in the main titles of Smallville, "somebody save me", or in this case, "somebody help me".
    It's not that I don't want to do the job of translating myself, trust me, I've tried to, but I can't without a Bilingual Dictionary, a Grammar Book and more than half an hour, and it's quite frustrating.
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      Uh, hi! I'm kinda new around here, but I've been looking in here off and on today. I kinda like the pokemon-reversal idea [Equinox] has. I find it kinda ironic and funny, along with a pretty cool plot as far as I can tell. I've read the other posts, the RP's advertised seem kinda cool, but it's like, midnight here and I don't feel like trying to comment on every single thing tonight. xD
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      Uh, hi! I'm kinda new around here, but I've been looking in here off and on today. I kinda like the pokemon-reversal idea [Equinox] has. I find it kinda ironic and funny, along with a pretty cool plot as far as I can tell. I've read the other posts, the RP's advertised seem kinda cool, but it's like, midnight here and I don't feel like trying to comment on every single thing tonight. xD
      Well, since you're here, welcome to Pokecommunity.
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      Uh, hi! I'm kinda new around here, but I've been looking in here off and on today. I kinda like the pokemon-reversal idea [Equinox] has. I find it kinda ironic and funny, along with a pretty cool plot as far as I can tell. I've read the other posts, the RP's advertised seem kinda cool, but it's like, midnight here and I don't feel like trying to comment on every single thing tonight. xD
      What machomuu said. Welcome to the RPC. Enjoy your stay.

      And congrats to PTA for hitting the 5000 mark on their IC.
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      congrats to PTA for hitting the 5000 mark on their IC.
      HELLZ yeah!

      You better bet I'll be expectin' somethin' special when we hit 9001. ;o
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      Ahaha, I was gonna hit that 5000 mark. xD But I had writer's block earlier today. dang. >_< Congrats though!

      Also hi *waves*. First time posting here. :3
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      HELLZ yeah!

      You better bet I'll be expectin' somethin' special when we hit 9001. ;o
      Yup, a page full of memes is what you'll get.

      Seriously, though, 5000 is pretty impressive. Congratz :D
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        Oops I didn't see that back there. Not really :3 It's like torture for the humans. You see, when they pop out they'll be forced to say their name for a few times before being able to do what they can (talk/walk) etc, just like in the Pokemon Anime.

        This is a quote from my OOC thread (in creation). This is part one of the intro, made in someone's pov.
        Ahaha, not really, I guess. In the anime it was shown in an episode that saying their own names IS their language, not in fact torture. So I don't see why humans can't communicate in their own language freely.

        What I feel is that if humans with their current technology have been taken over I don't really think it would be logical, considering all the weapons we had, even if it didn't turn into a full-fledged war humans would at least be able to defend themselves.

        But, if it was this way from the very beginning, it could probably work. But it depends on you.

        Also, welcome to all new RPers, glad to have you guys here. :D ALSO congrats to PTA for hitting 5000.
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        Ahaha, I was gonna hit that 5000 mark. xD But I had writer's block earlier today. dang. >_< Congrats though!

        Also hi *waves*. First time posting here. :3
        AAAAAH MEG WHADDUP!!

        Also, to all you chumps out there, the RPAs are back again this month! Be on the look out for especially awesome roleplayers and roleplays to nominate!!
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          Old May 5th, 2012 (1:56 AM).
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          Ahaha, not really, I guess. In the anime it was shown in an episode that saying their own names IS their language, not in fact torture. So I don't see why humans can't communicate in their own language freely.

          What I feel is that if humans with their current technology have been taken over I don't really think it would be logical, considering all the weapons we had, even if it didn't turn into a full-fledged war humans would at least be able to defend themselves.

          But, if it was this way from the very beginning, it could probably work. But it depends on you.

          Also, welcome to all new RPers, glad to have you guys here. :D ALSO congrats to PTA for hitting 5000.
          To be fair, as far as pokemon lore goes pokemon /love/ being 'slaves' to the humans and only a minority that gets specifically abused doesn't enjoy captivity. This goes back to Arceus himself whom apparently designed pokemon to serve humans. Thus, explaining the magic bonds humans and pokemon share and all that cheesy jazz.

          Also there are hints that some pokemon aren't exactly... Well there are hints that some pokemon are really darn stupid. |D *Cough* Magikarp.

          So yeah... artistic license...and...stuff. |3
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              Ahaha, not really, I guess. In the anime it was shown in an episode that saying their own names IS their language, not in fact torture. So I don't see why humans can't communicate in their own language freely.

              What I feel is that if humans with their current technology have been taken over I don't really think it would be logical, considering all the weapons we had, even if it didn't turn into a full-fledged war humans would at least be able to defend themselves.

              But, if it was this way from the very beginning, it could probably work. But it depends on you.

              Well first of all, do you really think humans would stand a chance against elemental powers? Not everyone has a gun, but each pokemon can do so much damage they can blow a house into outer space.


              It isn't supposed to be torture, but we actually never know about the real truth. We're not creators of Pokemon, and we can twist the facts that aren't clearly stated in the wiki or some sort. This is why we think outside the box, use imagination and creativity to change things a bit. There must be some Pokemon that dislikes calling his own name when being summoned out from the Pokeball. What would happen if we do that to humans? That would be 1. hilarious 2. a sort of revenge against the humans as a sign of revenge. Why just shut down the fun factor and say that 'it isn't torture'? Nobody said something like 'Pokemon like calling their names when popping out and it's needed everytime!' (: If every RP is the same, following the same 'rules' or so called 'facts' there would be nothing new ^^


              By saying that the Pokeballs forced them into saying it can increase the tension between the races, not to mention that it can be quite entertaining...


              But actually, you've missed the point of the entire RP. This RP isn't a War against Pokemon and Humans or some sort. It isn't about war or Human's comeback. This is just like our everyday 'trainer' life, only the other way around. A gym or two, a plotline and some twists where the Pokemon/Humans realize a few facts and problems about this new 'lifestyle'.


              You can just say that this would be a trainer RP, just exactly opposite located in another dimension. No, this isn't a war or just fights between people. This is Pokemon Reversal.
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              Old May 5th, 2012 (5:45 AM). Edited May 5th, 2012 by machomuu.
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              To be fair, as far as pokemon lore goes pokemon /love/ being 'slaves' to the humans and only a minority that gets specifically abused doesn't enjoy captivity. This goes back to Arceus himself whom apparently designed pokemon to serve humans. Thus, explaining the magic bonds humans and pokemon share and all that cheesy jazz.

              Also there are hints that some pokemon aren't exactly... Well there are hints that some pokemon are really darn stupid. |D *Cough* Magikarp.

              So yeah... artistic license...and...stuff. |3
              But it was Mew who supposedly created pokemon, as theorized by scientists through the fact that it has the DNA of all Pokemon. On Arceus' side of the spectrum, we know even less about it. In fact, it could be comprable to the Christian God, we have no proof that it is the true God pokemon or even that it has the powers of one (other than Judgment). I wouldn't say that they "love" being enslaved. After all, that's why N was so passionate about his movement, and really, that is why the pokeball was created.

              The theory goes that Arceus created Mew, and Mew created all other pokemon (and he created various other legendaries for different properties and facets of reality). Now, this is all theory, but it's canonical theory and is said and implied at various points in the story (as in all of the games).
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                If they love being enslaved they won't struggle when they're first captured (: We can only say that the bonding between the trainers and le Pokemon' good enough so they won't fight back and obey the orders. Eventually they'll turn into friends.
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                If they love being enslaved they won't struggle when they're first captured (: We can only say that the bonding between the trainers and le Pokemon' good enough so they won't fight back and obey the orders.
                I don't know about that, it's rare that you instantly like someone when you first meet them, I certainly wouldn't put all my trust into someone I just met. I'd say it's more a matter of, "if they love being enslaved, why would the pokeball exist in the first place." There are several capturing apparatus made for the capture and what is essentially mind control (the latter being the capture styler, though to be fair it's simply relaying the ranger's feelings to the pokemon, but if they like to be enslaved they shouldn't resist the styler) when really trainers and people should be able to befriend them by natural means.

                Supposedly Arceus created Pokemon to live in harmony with humans, I don't think that's the same thing as wanting them to be enslaved. It really depends on how the trainer treats the Pokemon, in Ash Ketchum's case he treated them well and he took care of them, so they stayed (I know he's an anime character, but I'm using the game's logic). However, in the case of...some bad trainer they didn't like, they may try to leave, but they're essentially bound to that trainer by the capturing apparatus. I don't think that's what Arceus wanted. I think Arceus simply wanted them to live together harmoniously, peacefully, and equally.
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                  Yeah, it really doesn't matter what true lore is (especially when it comes to the legendaries that we don't know all too much about), at the end of the day the RP is what the GM makes of it, it's their universe and everything in it (besides the characters) is theirs as well, there's no reason to argue over why the RP or its views are wrong. Well, unless you want to, of course.
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                    Uh, hi! I'm kinda new around here, but I've been looking in here off and on today. I kinda like the pokemon-reversal idea [Equinox] has. I find it kinda ironic and funny, along with a pretty cool plot as far as I can tell. I've read the other posts, the RP's advertised seem kinda cool, but it's like, midnight here and I don't feel like trying to comment on every single thing tonight. xD
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                          I think Imma sweep the awards this time. Feeling pretty good about it. JK, I'll lose again. I'll vote for the deserving ones and you should too!
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                          @Machomuu: ...The anime has some kind of weird, canon breaking love for Mew. |D In the games, mew is a relatively weak pokemon unnoteworthy except for it's rarity and age. Arceus definitely created Mew, but there's nothing to suggest that Mew created...anything really.

                          Also, I'm just going to leave this here. They're relevant comments on Arceus' backstory taken from ze wiki. Food for thought.

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                          Similar parallels can be found in other creation myths, but not as directly. In fact, this seems to be more easily attributed to a common theme among creation myths than as a source of inspiration; several creation myths start with one being which splits or creates other beings from its body, including Hinduism and Greek mythology.
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                          @Machomuu: ...The anime has some kind of weird, canon breaking love for Mew. |D In the games, mew is a relatively weak pokemon unnoteworthy except for it's rarity and age. Arceus definitely created Mew, but there's nothing to suggest that Mew created...anything really.

                          Also, I'm just going to leave this here. They're relevant comments on Arceus' backstory taken from ze wiki. Food for thought.

                          I'm strictly talking about game canon, but actually the Shinoist relations between Pokemon and the games is really my driving force in this whole matter. See, it's never actually been proven that Arceus created anything, it's just something that's been theorized by various people of importance and professors, that's why that's why they have Christian-styled churches in Sinnoh, because one must have faith and belief in Arceus since very little is known about him and most haven't seem him. In fact, I'd say that Mew being the creator of all pokemon is more likely than Arceus being God, mainly because we actually have evidence of Mew containing the DNA of all Pokemon (including Arceus), but like the Christian God, all we have is faith and historical scriptures. Heck, as far as we know, that's not the real Mew- or rather, that's not the only Mew. Similar to Arceus, Mew is an enigma that has been sighted by others but has never been canonically seen or caught by any of the protagonists or characters of interest, just like Arceus, we know next to nothing about either of them except for the fact that Mew contains the DNA of all pokemon, but even now we know very little about it.

                          I'm actually pretty interested in this premise, I've been planning a trilogy of hacks (or rather, a beginning hack, a text based story as the middle entry, and a hack as the finale) based on this. I feel that the games will touch on these subjects in the future due to their increasing emphasis on story over the years and the surplus of pokemon, they'll come back to both Arceus and Mew, I'm sure of it.
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