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Old September 9th, 2011 (8:01 PM).
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    Please rate my team. suggestions for improvments please.

    Lead
    Ferrothorn @ rocky helmet
    iron barbs
    impish (+def -sp att)
    252 evs hp and def
    leech seed
    stealth rock
    power whip
    gyro ball


    skarmory @leftovers
    sturdy
    impish (+def - sp att)
    252 evs hp and def
    spikes
    brave bird
    roost
    whirlwind


    blissey @leftovers
    natural cure
    Bold (+def -att)
    252 evs hp and def
    seismic toss
    thunder wave
    aromatherapy
    softboiled

    walrein @leftovers
    ice body
    bold (+def -att)
    252 evs hp and sp def
    hail
    ice beam
    substitute
    protect

    reuniclus @leftovers
    magic guard
    bold(+def -att)
    252 evs hp and sp def
    substitute
    psyshock
    recover
    thunderwave

    haxorus @life orb
    mold breaker
    adamant (+att -sp att)
    252 evs att and speed
    dual chop
    outrage
    earthquake
    dragon dance

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    Old September 9th, 2011 (8:20 PM).
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      I think this looks great, only, I'd get rid of Walrein's Sub for Scald. Just because of the fact that Walrein's bulky enough to survive without wasting it's own health for one turn of protection and Scald opens you to a chance of inflicting Burn.

      Other than that, great job.
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      Old September 9th, 2011 (8:27 PM).
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        Thanks. This is my first proper team.
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        Old September 9th, 2011 (8:28 PM).
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          No problem. If you ever need help, just lemme know.
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          Old September 9th, 2011 (8:55 PM).
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          Use Relaxed on Ferrothorn and use this EV spread: 252 HP/48 Def/208 SDef. That way, its defenses are balanced and it powers up Gyro Ball too

          TBH, Walrein isn't good in standard. I'd use Jellicent instead because it has good defensive synergy with Ferrothorn:
          -Scald/Surf
          -Will-O-Wisp
          -Recover
          -Taunt/Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
          Nature: Bold
          EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
          Item: Leftovers

          Mono-attacking with Psychic moves on Reuniclus is a bad idea because Dark Pokemon like Tyranitar can wall it. Sure, it can use Thunder Wave to slow down opponents and Sub to ease prediction, but it's better off setting up Calm Minds and smashing through things:
          -Calm Mind
          -Psychic/Psyshock
          -Focus Blast
          -Recover
          Nature: Bold
          EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/ SAtk
          Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
          Ability: Magic Guard
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          Old September 9th, 2011 (9:02 PM).
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          Hi there! And welcome to the PC!

          Well, you seem to have things in check, but I do have a few comments on some of your Pokemon.

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Golden blissey View Post
          Ferrothorn @ rocky helmet
          iron barbs
          impish (+def -sp att)
          252 evs hp and def
          leech seed
          stealth rock
          power whip
          gyro ball
          As far as the moves are concerned, this is a nice, standard Ferrothorn set. However, we need to be able to see the EVs properly. That means writing them out fully and in order. So, Ferrothorn likes having an EV Spread that looks like this: 252 HP / 48 Defense / 208 Special Defense. Also, Ferrothorn likes having a Relaxed [+Defense; -Speed] nature. This way, you can raise Ferrothorn's Defense, which is never a bad thing. While simultaneously lowering it's Speed, which makes Gyro Ball more powerful.

          There are definitely some other things that need to be mentioned here, but I'm going to forgo all of those to cover one big issue with your team.

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          walrein @leftovers
          ice body
          bold (+def -att)
          252 evs hp and sp def
          hail
          ice beam
          substitute
          protect
          Walrein seems very, very misplaced on this team. Not only that, but Walrein is actually giving your team a major weakness to Fighting. Something your team doesn't necessarily "suffer" from without it. I suggest dropping Walrein all together for something completely different. I mean, you have all these Defensive juggernauts, why not go with something like Jellicent or Gliscor?

          Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
          240 HP/248 Defense/20 Speed
          Impish Nature
          Trait: Poison Heal
          -Earthquake
          -Taunt
          -Ice Fang
          -Protect/Toxic
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          This way, you can keep up with you're whole Defensive oriented team, while still being able to Support your team. Earthquake is an excellent STAB attack, while Ice Fang hits Gliscor's major threats. Protect and Toxic are equally as good, but you may find that Protect works better with Gliscor when testing survivability. Taunt will make sure you trip up anything that tries to set up against you. Gliscor is an overall great Pokemon this Gen, and, I believe, a valuable asset to this team if you use it properly. Still, if you want a set for Jellicent, or any other Pokemon you this is a suitable replacement for Walrein, just ask! :>
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          reuniclus @leftovers
          magic guard
          bold(+def -att)
          252 evs hp and sp def
          substitute
          psyshock
          recover
          thunderwave
          Your Reuniclus seems a little off too. I suggest a Trick Room set

          Reuniclus @ Life Orb / Leftovers
          Magic guard
          172 HP / 32 Defense / 252 Sp.Attack / 52 Sp.Defense
          Quiet [+Special Attack; -Speed]
          - Trick Room
          - Psyshock
          - Shadow Ball
          - Focus Blast

          With this, Reuniclus will outspeed most everything out there. Shadow Ball and Focus Blast (along with Psyshock) give you complete and total coverage and gets super effective hits on Hydreigon and Chandelure. The Quiet natures works a lot like Ferrothorn's nature. You're subtracting from Speed to get more from Trick Room.

          There's still a lot to be said about this team both good and bad. There are still some problems that need fixing, but I'm going to let someone else do that. You have a neat team going on, if you ever need anymore help, don't be afraid to ask!

          Good luck to you!
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          Old September 9th, 2011 (9:10 PM). Edited September 9th, 2011 by Golden blissey.
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            Thanks guys. This is what i want to hear.

            Oh and Alexial357, could you just list the other pokemon that have problems, so that i can try different combinations? and can i please have some jellicent sets?
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            Old September 10th, 2011 (9:42 AM).
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            Well here, PlatinumDude already covered it, but I'll just re-write it for the sake of consistency.

            Jellicent @ Leftovers
            Water Absorb
            248 HP / 216 Defense / 44 Speed
            Bold [+Defense; -Attack]
            - Scald
            - Will-O-Wisp
            - Recover
            - Taunt

            This is Jellicent's most reliable (and self explanatory) set. Scald has excellent synergy with Will-O-Wisp and Taunt will trip up anything that tries to set up against you. Recover keeps Jellicent alive. The only reason I don't want to mention Surf is because Jellicent wasn't made to hit things hard anyway. Scald is the better choice because of the potential Burn effect.

            So.. that's pretty much it. Also, I think your team would benefit more if your Haxorus had a Choice Band. I mean, not a lot of your team is made for hitting hard, at least, not like Haxorus. So, if you need to switch Haxorus out, you're pretty much guaranteed to absorb the opponents next hit with easy. The more damage Haxorus can do, the better off you will be. Don't get me wrong, I think DD Haxorus can be excellent and truly a beast on the field. But in your case I think more "immediate" action would serve you just as well, if not better.

            Haxorus @ Choice Band
            Mold Breaker
            4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
            Adamant [+Attack; -Special Attack] / Jolly [+Speed; -Special Attack]
            - Outrage / Dragon Claw
            - Earthquake
            - Dual Chop
            - Rock Slide / X-Scissor

            So, like I said, since you're team isn't "offensive based", the one Pokemon that is should pick up the slack. A Choice Band will do this well. Just know that a Choice Scarf can work also. But anyway, Outrage is your primary STAB attack, and a good one it is. However, if you're less inclined to be locked and confused, Dragon Claw can be equally as devastating to the right opponent. Earthquake is an all around excellent move, and in tandem with Mold Breaker, can bring down opponents efficiently. Dual Chop can be useful against Focus Sash and Substitute users and Rock Slide 2HKOs Thundurus and the likes while also grabbing rare but invaluable flinches. Alternatively, X-Scissor can be used depending on the situation.

            If you have anymore questions just let one of the raters know and we'll be happy to help!

            Good luck! :>
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            Old September 10th, 2011 (4:16 PM).
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              I was going through my pc boxes. What do you think of alomomola? is it good, or something to stay away from? Do you know of any good sets for it?
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              Alomomola is bulky and sports an arsenal of supporting moves to help out its team. It's blessed with a pure Water typing, making it a great check to many offensive teams, and it's HP stat is nearly unmatched. Not only that, but Alomomola was also granted access to Wish, which deals an amazing potential 267 when passed to teammates. This sounds awesome, right? Well, unfortunately there are a few very big reasons why Alomomola fails to stand out in standard play, and has found itself in the bowels of RU.

              First, Alomomola lacks any true way of dealing damage. Beyond Toxic, Alomomola's movepool is so shallow, it's destined to be Taunt bait at every turn. Even if Alomomola didn't struggle to damage opponents, it's inadequate offensive stats are pitiful at best. If it's not Taunt bait, it falls pray to many Defensive threats, allowing them to set up against Alomomola. When it comes down to utility, Alomomola is outclassed by Vaporeon. Vaporeon carries a superior Special Defense, making it more useful in competitive situations and has the same pure Water typing as well as the ability to hit harder with STAB attacks. A strong Special Attack would 2HKO Alomomola even if it's resisted. Vaporeon, however, has a much easier time dealing with this. Lucario, Scizor, Forretress, Skarmory, Conkeldurr, and Ferrothorn all laugh at Alomomola, simultaneously too, if you allow it. Alomomola also finds itself being out-predicted in most competitive situations. If you plan on using Alomomola, it will be very obvious to the opponent what your intentions are. And thus, very easy to respond to.

              Does it have potential? Lots! Alomomola is a truly magnificent Pokemon! Just... not in this case, game, or team. However, if you insist on having one for one reason or another, we can recommend something. But Alomomola is just outclassed by many other Pokemon and I hate to say this, but stay away from it. :<
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              Old September 10th, 2011 (5:53 PM).
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                thanks. i just thought wish and its massive hp was awesome, but you clearly stated that this is heavily outweighed by its flaws. thanks for the heads up.
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                Old September 12th, 2011 (5:02 PM).
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                  Hey I was wondering about substituting my Scizor for Haxorus. Here's my scizor's set

                  [email protected] leftovers
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                  252 HP 252 attack
                  Bullet punch
                  Pursuit
                  Uturn
                  Roost
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                  A Scizor set with Leftovers should use Swords Dance and X-Scissor (Bug Bite if you can get it) / Brick Break over Pursuit and U-turn. If you want to use those other two moves, then you should use Superpower > Roost and give it a Choice Band. Scizor doesn't hit hard enough with just Lefties and no boosting method and its coverage isn't very good with that moveset, so it's much less effective unless you use a Choice Band/Swords Dance.
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                  Old September 12th, 2011 (7:23 PM).
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                    I like roost. Do you know any sets with roost?
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                    Old September 12th, 2011 (7:29 PM).
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                    I like roost. Do you know any sets with roost?
                    The bulky Swords Dance Scizor utilizes Roost to help Scizor get multiple Swords Dances in:
                    -Swords Dance
                    -Bullet Punch
                    -Bug Bite/Superpower
                    -Roost
                    Nature: Adamant
                    EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef
                    Item: Leftovers
                    Ability: Technician
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                    Old September 15th, 2011 (3:07 PM).
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                      I woul really like scrafty. What could I take out to put it in without disadvantaging my team?
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                        You really like to change things up a lot, don't you?

                        Scrafty's pretty good. Truth be told, you need to take out Walrein. You could go for something defensive, like Milotic or Vaporeon, but if you want you can put Scrafty in Walrein's place.

                        Scrafty @ Life Orb/Leftovers
                        Moxie
                        Jolly Nature (+Speed, -Special Attack)
                        ~Dragon Dance
                        ~Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
                        ~Crunch
                        ~Ice Punch/Taunt
                        EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe

                        Or you could go with the bulkier (and arguably better) Scrafty to fit your defensive team:

                        Scrafty @ Leftovers
                        Shed Skin
                        Careful Nature (+Special Defense, -Special Attack)
                        ~Bulk Up
                        ~Drain Punch
                        ~Crunch/Dragon Tail
                        ~Rest
                        EVs: 252 HP/8 Atk/248 SpDef

                        Hope this helps.
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                        Old September 16th, 2011 (6:25 PM).
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                          I like to try different combinations. Currently i am thinking about switching blissey for chansey.

                          Chansey @ eviolite
                          natural cure
                          bold +defense -attack
                          252 hp 252 def 4 sp def

                          Seismic toss
                          thunder wave/toxic (i can't decide)
                          heal bell
                          softboiled

                          Thoughts?
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                          Old September 18th, 2011 (11:03 PM).
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                            Hey guys. I think i have finalized my team. All your help is greatly appreciated. THANKS!


                            Ferrothorn @ rocky helmet
                            iron barb
                            relaxed (+defense -speed)
                            252 hp 56 def 200 sp def
                            leech seed
                            stealth rock
                            power whip
                            gyro ball

                            My lead. Sets up stealth rock and leech seed quickly.



                            Skarmory @ leftovers
                            sturdy
                            impish (+defense -sp att)
                            252 hp 252 def 4 sp def
                            Spikes
                            Brave bird
                            whirlwind
                            roost

                            spikes set up and physical wall.



                            blissey @ leftovers
                            natural cure
                            bold (+defense -attack)
                            252 hp 252 def
                            seismic toss
                            thunder wave
                            aromatherapy
                            softboiled

                            special wall.



                            dusclopes @ eviolite
                            pressure
                            calm (+sp def -att)
                            252 hp 252 defense
                            pain split
                            will o wisp
                            night shade
                            confuse ray

                            dual wall. Helps blissey with the fighting types.



                            Vapoureon @ leftovers
                            water absorb
                            bold (+defense - attack)
                            252 hp 252 def
                            wish
                            protect
                            scald
                            roar

                            Wish support



                            Haxorus @ choice band
                            mold breaker
                            adamant (+attack - sp attack)
                            252 att 252 speed
                            dual chop
                            outrage
                            earthquake
                            rock slide

                            physical sweeper. comes in when safe and kills what it can.
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                              If you're using seismic toss with Blissey you're better off with EvioChansey.
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                                I don't know about yu, but I think Hydregion is probably better than Haxorus. But, yu could have Haxorus in there for all out attack. He does have awesome attack, but lacks hp/sp.attack/sp.def. So it kinda all depends on what yu like. If yu go for Hydregion though, use:

                                flamethrower
                                surf
                                dragon pulse
                                crunch

                                mine has that and he kicks butt. :3
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                                  Thanks. But I will stick with Haxorus for I have faced a few blisseys and he has saved me so many times!!!!
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                                  Old September 20th, 2011 (8:57 PM). Edited September 20th, 2011 by Fairy.
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                                  I don't know about yu, but I think Hydregion is probably better than Haxorus. But, yu could have Haxorus in there for all out attack. He does have awesome attack, but lacks hp/sp.attack/sp.def. So it kinda all depends on what yu like. If yu go for Hydregion though, use:

                                  flamethrower
                                  surf
                                  dragon pulse
                                  crunch

                                  mine has that and he kicks butt. :3
                                  Please try to support your advice with facts other than, "that's what I did". The reason Hydreigon wouldn't do well on this team is because it opens another weakness to Fighting, something this team is already susceptible to. Also, when you post a Pokemon, whether for an RMT or a rate, please try to follow the standard acceptable format:

                                  Pokemon @ Item
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                                  Nature
                                  - Move 1
                                  - Move 2
                                  - Move 3
                                  - Move 4

                                  It's not that your opinion isn't valid. But we like it when more information is given to the receiver. The way you presented your recommended Hydreigon, Golden Blissey (or the rest of us) can't tell what the Item/Nature/EVs are, making it more confusing than anything because we don't know exactly what you're trying to tell us. Also, Hydreigon doesn't have all that great of an Attack despite it's utility as a scout with U-Turn. Every Pokemon has a set of weaknesses and disadvantages in both stats and typing.

                                  Anyway, Golden Blissey.

                                  All of your Pokemon seem as textbook as they can get. And that's a good thing. I do suggest a few changes, however.

                                  Dusclops @ Evolite
                                  Pressure
                                  252 HP / 80 Defense / 176 Special Defense
                                  Calm [+Special Defense; -Attack]
                                  - Pain Split
                                  - Will-O-Wisp
                                  - Night Shade
                                  - Taunt / Ice Beam

                                  This set has a little more emphasis in Special Defense than your original set. Other than that, the primary assets are similar. Something like Taunt will help Dusclops more against the likes of Ferrothorn and Forretress than Confuse Ray will. It will also prevent Pokemon like Conkeldurr and Scizor from setting up against you. Ice Beam is an alternative option, but should be used exclusively for those who are x4 weak to it. Gliscor, Salamence, and Landorus are all 2HKOed by a good Ice Beam. Night Shade is going to be dealing consistent damage, hitting Multiscale Dragonite harder than Ice Beam would. So on the chance you need to do a little more damage in a specific circumstance, Ice Beam is a good option.

                                  With Vaporeon, an EV Spread of 248 HP / 252 Defense / 8 Special Defense would be best. It seems a little contradictory with a Wish Support set, but you'll be healing your teammates at least 50% of their HP every time regardless. Vaporeon appreciates the extra bit in Special Defense.

                                  Oh, and please make sure to include the remaining EVs in each set. Just so we know you're not giving Haxorus 4 EVs in Special Attack or anything to that effect. It's no big deal, we have a little more faith in you than that. But, you never know. ;3

                                  That's all I got for now. Good luck!
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                                  Use that Vaporeon set, mine is so amazingly bulky. I have the same exact set as you, and it works well! Great team!
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                                    Thanks guys. I wasn't listing the spare Evs because I found irrelevant. I mainly put them in HP or a defense. Just to help with bulk.
                                     

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