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The Rainbow Connection [LGBTS Club]

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I watched My Transsexual Summer. It was sickening. I follow all of the participants online and they all complained about the show, it didn't show their backgrounds and most of it was showing surgery, girls putting on make-up, and male genitalia.

Two of the trans men were made into background people as their stories weren't heart wrenching enough or interesting enough and it didn't air most of the actual good things which would've educated and opened the eyes of viewers.

Oh and they didn't get paid.

Don't mean to jump the gun but 'sickening' is possibly going too far.

The documentary wasn't some definitive transsexual show, no doubt it will be followed by more in the future, and to be quite frank it did serve it's purpose well.

Bearing in mind the majority of channel 4's audience will never have experienced transgender people at all in their lives, it was a great start and a good introduction to transsexuals. It may not be perfect, but when is any show perfect. The show focused on 'easier' topics to follow, and more humorous aspect for sure - they need to keep people entertained to a degree to keep them watching through the more emotional and informative sections. Sure they could have shown talks about gender binary, or things like 'two spirit' and such in the show - but how much of that would your average viewer understand without spending a whole episode explaining it, really?

As to them not being paid, I was only aware of that from reading Max's blog after. However, realistically - they signed up to the show, they should have questioned their payment and such and why it wasn't mentioned in the contract before hand. That's how the world works really. It's unfortunate sure but it's not because they have been mistreated for being trans, which is what you seem to be making out.

Overall I think you're expecting far too much, for what it was I think it painted a good picture of trans people, without alienating them or laughing at their expense. It also opened the door to future, deeper documentaries which seems to be what you want.
 

U.Flame

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Sorry I've been inactive for a while. I've been talking with a friend about hints in MLP that Rainbow Dash being a lesbian. It could be coincidense. But if it isn't, I think it's great that a kid's show would have that. Even if it's subliminal. What do you guys think? Is it a good idea for a kid's show to have homosexuality?
 

EGKangaroo

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Meh, beats me. I know a lot of kids shows that have all these rumours about the characters being gay. Not even a show as innocent as Sesame Street escapes the crackpot theorists who claim Bert and Ernie are homosexual partners. The thing is, children won't ever notice these kinds of signals. They just see two guys who happen to live in the same house as best friends, or brothers or something. It's the elders (and even then, only a handful) who go berserk over it because they think it's giving their children gay.
 

Alice

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Spongebob is the gayest person on TV. Just saying. lol :P

It's fairly pointless honestly. Kids will never understand subtle hints, and if even those are pissing off parents, then there's no way they'll be able to have actual Gay characters.
 

EGKangaroo

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Well, one thing I really think was also a good show that very subtly touched such a subject was Pinky & the Brain with Pharfignewton. Sure Pharfignewton was a mare, but I just thought it was great how he always wanted people to be more tolerant everytime they pointed out he was a mouse and pharfignewton was a mare. The entire thing was all very analogous to just about any other taboo form of romance in the world, including homosexual relationships; interracial relationships, which are still looked down upon by some extreme racists; etcetera.
 

Shining Raichu

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EGKangaroo said:
Not even a show as innocent as Sesame Street escapes the crackpot theorists who claim Bert and Ernie are homosexual partners.

Uh, excuse me, crackpot theorists? Bert and Ernie are in love. Their love is deep and it's real and how dare you deny them the recognition it deserves.
 

EGKangaroo

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Uh, excuse me, crackpot theorists? Bert and Ernie are in love. Their love is deep and it's real and how dare you deny them the recognition it deserves.
Haha, I am sorry. Yeah, sure, they love each other. But I am just saying, it's not that it's never explicitly told whether they are homosexual partners or brothers, or just plain best friends. In this country at least, the subject only really comes up in the form of complaints coming from Christian people saying it sends too many gay signals to their children. They can definitely bicker sometimes like a married couple.
 

Shining Raichu

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And as we all know, bickering is a gateway activity; it may lead to harder stuff like girly slap-fights or homoeroticism :P

Screw those wingnuts, if they can find a way to ruin Sesame Street they can find a way to ruin anything - and it's never for lack of trying when they can't. But I will fight them to the death on this one; Bert and Ernie are in a committed relationship that is probably happier than theirs will ever be.
 

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I think if the hints are real and not misinterpretations then it's beautiful that kid's shows have gay characters. My mom's gaydar certainly does go off more the more she sees Rainbow Dash episodes. ^_^
 
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People everywhere just have their gaydar turned up at the moment, and if they're not okay with gay people it's just so they can be "on the watch" for gayness slipping its way in secretly to the children's minds.

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Yoshikko

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People everywhere just have their gaydar turned up at the moment, and if they're not okay with gay people it's just so they can be "on the watch" for gayness slipping its way in secretly to the children's minds.

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I don't really have a problem with that it's like in kid's shows, it's the way it's in, it's sort of mocked. I'm just butting in this convo so I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense in regards to the topic hahah but I saw the pics and wanted to say it anyway.
 

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And as we all know, bickering is a gateway activity; it may lead to harder stuff like girly slap-fights or homoeroticism :P

Screw those wingnuts, if they can find a way to ruin Sesame Street they can find a way to ruin anything - and it's never for lack of trying when they can't. But I will fight them to the death on this one; Bert and Ernie are in a committed relationship that is probably happier than theirs will ever be.

Sesame Street has said specifically that they are puppets and therefore cannot have a sexual attraction towards either men or women, as none of the puppets are men or women themselves.

Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves. Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics... they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.

Just saying. :P Have you seen the spoof in Avenue Q of them?
 

Keiran

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What do you guys think? Is it a good idea for a kid's show to have homosexuality?

I'd much rather have something gay shoved down my throat if it means the show isn't completely regurgitated content.

I think it's better than a good idea, because not only does it introduce diversity but also builds acceptance for those diverse characteristics at young ages where it's most effective by far. I think it's pretty clear to all of us that hatred and bigotry are spawns of ignorance and anyone who has a problem with diverse traits in media are only afraid to combat their own inner turmoil and need to stop hindering decent human beings.

*hasn't read everyones reply to this, sorry if I'm trite*
 

Shining Raichu

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What I'm interested to know is whether it's ever explicitly stated that that Teletubby is male. Because it seems to me that could just be a girl carrying a purse. :/



Sesame Street has said specifically that they are puppets and therefore cannot have a sexual attraction towards either men or women, as none of the puppets are men or women themselves.

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Game Over1375

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I, for one, firmly believe Bert and Ernie are gay. Personally, I'm cool with it. My family on the other hand...
U_Flame said:
My mom's gaydar certainly does go off more the more she sees Rainbow Dash episodes.
Is it just me or does everyone think Rainbow Dash is a lesbian? A lot of my friends think she is, and that's the reason why my sister doesn't let her kids watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. It's certainly ridiculous. SHE'S A FREAKIN' TOMBOY! Although there's that one wingboner incident...

Personally, I'm fine with a kids' cartoon show having homosexual characters. As long as the romance is done as most kids' shows handle that, I could honestly care less.
 

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It kind of reminds me of a behind-the-scenes interview thing I watched about Grey's Anatomy one time. There is a lesbian couple on that show, and basically they apparently went to GLAAD and asked about the best way to approach such a relationship on a TV show, and they replied "treat it like you would treat any other relationship on the show" and that's exactly what they did. Callie and Arizona are just a couple. They met the same way everybody else does and they had the same fights; and barely anybody even batted an eyelid about the whole thing. It wasn't until Callie's parents came into the picture and did the whole "RAWR YOU CANT BE A LESBIAN LETS PRAY AWAY THE GAY" thing that you even remembered they were a same-sex couple. It was just so normal.

I think that's the way to approach it on children's television too. If you make a big deal about it like "Hey kids, we're two men and we are in love the same way your Mommy and Daddy are in love, and that's OK" - then that really is forcing something down their throat - but if you just have two men in a romance going about it the same way a man and a woman would and don't say a word about it, then it just normalises it for them. It puts it into their range of experience and knowledge without them even realising it's happening and then when they grow up and start socialising with other people, sexuality really isn't a big deal.
 

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Is it just me or does everyone think Rainbow Dash is a lesbian? A lot of my friends think she is, and that's the reason why my sister doesn't let her kids watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Really?

Rainbow Dash's sexuality, whatever it may be, is completely irrelevant to the show. So, really, your sister is not letting her kids watch the show because there is a confident female character in it.

We certainly wouldn't want our female kids to grow up as confident, now would we? That would be so terrible!

Anyway, that's absurd to begin with. As I said Rainbow Dash's sexuality is never shown and is never even relevant to anything. So I imagine your sister must be one of those crazy people who think that sexuality is passed on like a disease, and not just passed on by seeing homosexual acts, but by just being exposed to a character that stereotypically acts somewhat like a homosexual is portrayed to act.

How can anybody think such ridiculous things?
 
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I don't really have a problem with that it's like in kid's shows, it's the way it's in, it's sort of mocked. I'm just butting in this convo so I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense in regards to the topic hahah but I saw the pics and wanted to say it anyway.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean, the way that shows can bring in stereotypical or campy 'gay' things and treat it as ridiculous or crazy.

What I'm interested to know is whether it's ever explicitly stated that that Teletubby is male. Because it seems to me that could just be a girl carrying a purse. :/
It's not a purse, it's a bag. Gosh. No, really. I think that was one of the defenses back when this was first brought up. As far as I know teletubbies are like muppets in that they have no sexuality (or even gender?) since it's for kids so young they can't even stand up on their own.

How can anybody think such ridiculous things?
Like I said, some people have finally realized that there are gay people in the world of media so they have this half-baked idea that there is gayness in pop culture so they use their half-baked understanding of how to see it.
 

Alice

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I've never gotten any lesbian signals from Rainbow Dash. She's just cool.

Girls can't be cool without being gay?
 
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