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Old December 9th, 2011 (4:46 PM). Edited December 9th, 2011 by Ineffable~.
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Saying "Happy Christmas" is hardly religious indoctrination. -__-
I don't think that's really what [whoever said that] was referring to, but yeah I agree that we should encourage the open celebration of all holidays. I think if there's a group of people who is determined to set up a giant Christmas tree in the middle of the town square (or you know wherever one puts a tree), they should be allowed to. Then, if someone wants to construct a humongous dreidel and put that right next to the tree, that's okay too.
I just wish people weren't so against mixing cultures. It makes for such interesting and beautiful things.

EDIT: Derp, this is not what I call on-topic.

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    lmao, I just read that the music in the Perry ad was composed by Aaron Copland; some of you may know that Aaron Copland was openly gay. I love the irony. Gay people better stop getting married and fighting wars so that they can compose my campaign music!
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    Old December 10th, 2011 (5:44 PM). Edited December 10th, 2011 by FreakyLocz14.
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    lmao, I just read that the music in the Perry ad was composed by Aaron Copland; some of you may know that Aaron Copland was openly gay. I love the irony. Gay people better stop getting married and fighting wars so that they can compose my campaign music!
    I'm thinking maybe he didn't mean it like that and just had poor choice of words. I think the message he's trying to get across is hypocrisy of liberals banning one freedom while expanding another.
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      I'm thinking maybe he didn't mean it like that and just had poor choice of words. I think the message he's trying get across is hypocrisy of liberals banning one freedom while expanding another.
      But what specific religious activities are being banned?

      And why is it always "the liberals" or "the left", there is hypocrisy in all areas of political ideologies.
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      Old December 10th, 2011 (7:21 PM).
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      I'm thinking maybe he didn't mean it like that and just had poor choice of words. I think the message he's trying get across is hypocrisy of liberals banning one freedom while expanding another.
      In that case, why would he mention specifically that, of all things?

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      And why is it always "the liberals" or "the left", there is hypocrisy in all areas of political ideologies.
      This.
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      But what specific religious activities are being banned?

      And why is it always "the liberals" or "the left", there is hypocrisy in all areas of political ideologies.
      That's who he's attacking. He's right that children are discouraged from discussing Jesus and Christmas in schools.
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      In that case, why would he mention specifically that, of all things?
      That's kinda what I thought. If he isn't trying to speak out against gays in the military, than he really should have thought before he made the video. :\

      Also, I know we already posted a few parodies, but I found this one to be BRILLIANT. xD

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      News: Prop 8 proponents likely to succeed in keeping cameras out of the courtroom, unsure on issue of Judge Walker's failure to recuse himself.
      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/08/BAVL1MA76L.DTL

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      Old December 10th, 2011 (10:13 PM).
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      That whole thing is ridiculous. Judge Walker heard both sides of the case and made an informed decision and gave incredibly detailed reasoning behind his ruling. That reason was basically that the case against gay marriage was paper-thin while the case for gay marriage had several expert and lay witnesses who actually delivered their case strongly. I read a leaked court transcript to that effect shortly after the decision was first made.

      The attorneys for Prop 8 just can't accept the fact that they messed up and couldn't find any legitimate constitutional reasons why gay people shouldn't be able to get married.

      It is in the job description of a judge that he or she be completely impartial. If he had felt he was unable to do so, he would have recused himself. As it happens, he did not. Hypocritically, the only way the Judge could have proven to the Prop 8 attorneys that he was indeed impartial would be to rule in their favour.
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      Old December 10th, 2011 (10:36 PM).
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      That whole thing is ridiculous. Judge Walker heard both sides of the case and made an informed decision and gave incredibly detailed reasoning behind his ruling. That reason was basically that the case against gay marriage was paper-thin while the case for gay marriage had several expert and lay witnesses who actually delivered their case strongly. I read a leaked court transcript to that effect shortly after the decision was first made.

      The attorneys for Prop 8 just can't accept the fact that they messed up and couldn't find any legitimate constitutional reasons why gay people shouldn't be able to get married.

      It is in the job description of a judge that he or she be completely impartial. If he had felt he was unable to do so, he would have recused himself. As it happens, he did not. Hypocritically, the only way the Judge could have proven to the Prop 8 attorneys that he was indeed impartial would be to rule in their favour.
      I'm not saying I agree with them, but I can see how someone would think it's fishy. He is in a same-sex relationship, is a resident of California, and wishes to marry his partner. It seems like he has something gain from the case.
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      Old December 10th, 2011 (11:10 PM). Edited December 10th, 2011 by -ty-.
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        That's who he's attacking. He's right that children are discouraged from discussing Jesus and Christmas in schools.
        So Obama and Congress have made legislation that discourages students from discussing Jesus and Christmas? That is not right at all.

        Also name on statute that prohibits speech about Jesus or Christmas in school.

        He is attacking Obama for something he has not done. He is attacking "the left" for something that is not true. Now let me ask again, is there any specific federal statute or action taken by Obama that has taken the child's right to celebrate Christmas or talk about Jesus in school?

        And to the other topic about the gay judge in the prop 8 case...I think that he should have recused himself so he wouldn't have had to deal with all of this; he should have known that those idiots would attack his sexuality. So now gay partners have to wait longer, when another judge would have made the same judgement as he would. But aside from that point, there is no reason why it was unlawful of him not to recuse himself. It's like saying a black judge should not be able to oversee a case involving biracial marriage, or any black civil rights; or maybe any religious rights cases should be overseen by a Christian, no wait, an atheist, no wait, both might be partial because they have religious or lack of religious beliefs therefore something to gain...yes, like Andy said, it is RIDICULOUS to have race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, or religious beliefs as prerequisites for impartiality because the laws of the land affect everyone directly in constitutional rights cases.

        Judges mainly face the decision to recuse themselves when there is a personal conflict, not a broad ideological conflict. Most of the time personal conflicts arise in criminal/civil cases when the judge is acquainted to the plaintiff(s) or defendant(s), not constitutional law.
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        So Obama and Congress have made legislation that discourages students from discussing Jesus and Christmas? That is not right at all.

        Also name on statute that prohibits speech about Jesus or Christmas in school.

        He is attacking Obama for something he has not done. He is attacking "the left" for something that is not true. Now let me ask again, is there any specific federal statute or action taken by Obama that has taken the child's right to celebrate Christmas or talk about Jesus in school?
        He's not attacking Obama specifically. He's attacking liberals through their culture and even some court opinions that prohibit prayer in school.
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          He's not attacking Obama specifically. He's attacking liberals through their culture and even some court opinions that prohibit prayer in school.
          Verbatim he said, "Obama's war on religion." That is a specific, although not exclusive, attack and accusation.

          Courts are non-partisan, not liberal in nature. I would like you to specify some opinions that prohibit a student from praying in school so I understand where you are coming from. I don't think that there are any statutes or case laws that specify that a student is not allowed to pray in school. If it's the case that there is not any primary authority, then how is he going to make any changes to a non-existent hypocracy?
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          Verbatim he said, "Obama's war on religion." That is a specific, although not exclusive, attack and accusation.

          Courts are non-partisan, not liberal in nature. I would like you to specify some opinions that prohibit a student from praying in school so I understand where you are coming from. I don't think that there are any statutes or case laws that specify that a student is not allowed to pray in school. If it's the case that there is not any primary authority, then how is he going to make any changes to a non-existent hypocracy?
          In Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, the Court ruled that student-initiated prayer is not allowed. This isn't state-sponsored. The prayer is initiated by students.
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          I wonder what their reasoning for that is. Why would they not want cameras in the court? Afraid public opinion would hear their arguments and it would hurt them?
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            In Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, the Court ruled that student-initiated prayer is not allowed. This isn't state-sponsored. The prayer is initiated by students.
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            "The Court held that the policy allowing the student led prayer at the football games was unconstitutional. The majority opinion, written by Justice Stevens depended on Lee v. Weisman.[2] It held that these pre-game prayers delivered "on school property, at school-sponsored events, over the school's public address system, by a speaker representing the student body, under the supervision of school faculty, and pursuant to a school policy that explicitly and implicitly encourages public prayer" are not private, but public speech. "Regardless of the listener's support for, or objection to, the message, an objective Santa Fe High School student will unquestionably perceive the inevitable pregame prayer as stamped with her school's seal of approval."

            The students are allowed to pray, they just cannot use the school property to project their prayer over the loudspeaker to address the public. Students are permitted to have a prayer circle, but they are not allowed to use school resources because essentially the school would be endorsing the religious beliefs, which is unconstitutional.

            So again, a student is allowed to pray in school. That right has never been taken away.

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            I wonder what their reasoning for that is. Why would they not want cameras in the court? Afraid public opinion would hear their arguments and it would hurt them?
            I know, isn't it ridiculous? Cases like the Casey Anthony Trial should have been private because it was so high profile, the public viewing caused tremendous problems! Yet cases like these that dispute civil liberties are swept under the rug.
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              On the whole reiligion-in-schools thing: Well, I don't really see how it's not allowed, or whatever, at all. I mean, in my school I'm sure they'd allow us to pray and everything. I say it like that because it's not like anybody really tries to, most people I know could probably care less, lol.
              Although, this came to mind when I was in Chorus class earlier: a lot of the songs we sing in chorus seem to be religious. Two songs that we're doing are Fum Fum Fum (it's in Spanish, but it talks about Jesus) and God Rest You Merry Gentlemen (dude, it says God in the name, and then it goes on to talk about Bethelhem and everything) and in past years we've done songs about Hanukkah and everything . . . uh . . . where was I going with this? Oh, I think I was going to say that religion is openly expressed, and that I don't see any restrictions or anything at all.
              The closest thing I can see for that is when people (teachers mostly) say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry/Happy Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah."
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              The education website for the government has a bunch of restrictions on what teachers can and can't do that seem pretty reasonable. They can't lead a class in prayer but students can pray with each other, they have to give the same allowances to a religious after-school club as a normal one, etc. Although I really do feel like I've heard stories where that hasn't been respected, but I would think of that as the exception since the official government statement on it is pretty clear.
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              OK, so here's something that's going on in Australia right now. The sister of the former Prime Minister (and current Foreign Minister) of Australia has quit the Labor Party (kind of like our Democrats equivalent) because they have decided to change their stance and support gay marriage. The whole disgusting article can be found here. But in case you can't be bothered reading (though I strongly suggest you do), here are some choice quotes:

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              OK, so here's something that's going on in Australia right now. The sister of the former Prime Minister (and current Foreign Minister) of Australia has quit the Labor Party (kind of like our Democrats equivalent) because they have decided to change their stance and support gay marriage. The whole disgusting article can be found here. But in case you can't be bothered reading (though I strongly suggest you do), here are some choice quotes:
              I'm starting to hate when people get all upset over gay marriage and make a big deal of how they can't support it. It's not hurting anyone else's marriage - if anything it's probably helping to keep gay people from entering loveless marriages. (I dunno, does that still happen?)

              I mean, it's like they think they're "strengthening traditional marriage" by trying to keep gay people from having the right to marry. This means one of two things is going on. Either 1) 'traditional' marriage is already so perfect everywhere and in every way that there's no way to improve or strengthen it directly so they can only focus on the 'dangers' trying to make marriage worse (in which case what is the threat from gay marriage?) or 2) they don't actually care about 'defending' marriage and are just using it as a vehicle to channel their bigotry.

              It makes me mad, and I don't even care about marriage.
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              Originally Posted by Scarf View Post
              I mean, it's like they think they're "strengthening traditional marriage" by trying to keep gay people from having the right to marry. This means one of two things is going on. Either 1) 'traditional' marriage is already so perfect everywhere and in every way that there's no way to improve or strengthen it directly so they can only focus on the 'dangers' trying to make marriage worse (in which case what is the threat from gay marriage?) or 2) they don't actually care about 'defending' marriage and are just using it as a vehicle to channel their bigotry.
              This reminds me of my favourite glib argument in this direction: "So a man and a woman who hate each other can be married, but two (wo)men who love each other can't be married?" I've never heard anyone actually respond to this, and I wonder what people would try to say to argue it.
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