Keep believing the propaganda.. There's no such thing as power to the people if they're divided by literally everything.. I know exactly what's going on and I don't need someone in Australia to tell me how Americas political system isn't corrupt. Only naive sheep follow media and news and chooses a side. If you can't see the media uses biases tactics to divide us through these ideologies then you obviously have wool covering your eyes or you know less than you thought about America. To even say one side is right over the other, is actually wrong. Is heads or tails wrong? Which is wrong, which is right? Do you even grasp how divided America is? Or are you oblivious to this as well?
Did... did you actually read anything I said? You don't understand politics at all.
1. "You don't live in the US so you don't know anything" is a bad argument. We live in the information era and I'm well versed in politics/political theory. I probably know more than a lot of Americans.
2. I never said your political system isn't corrupt. Politics in the US is totally fucked and
hugely corrupt because people with money hold way too much power over politicians. I've made this point over and over myself in discussions you have been a part of. I said that there's no some bi-partisan conspiracy to keep America divided.
3. There's also not a media conspiracy to create division. There's some shady media stuff going on but it has nothing to do with wanting a divided populace. It's about manipulating facts to get people to align themselves with a political cause. You make it out like all the big news outlets get together and divy up who's going to take the left, who's going to take the right. They don't want to keep everyone divided that want to convert people to their side and keep the people they already have.
4. There is no government in the world that wants a divided populace. Wars aren't fought for the sake of creating sides and elections aren't run for the sake of dividing the populace so all the politicians can chill together and rule like kings. A divided populace means debate, which means research, which means attention, which means work, which means lobbying and protests and it means the government is under a higher degree of scrutiny. A politically divided populace is a
good thing usually. It only becomes a problem when it goes too far and people and it becomes more about beating the other guy that creating legitimate improvement.
Is America at that point? Hell yes. America has been at that point for literal decades. That's not because the dems or republicans
wants things split. They don't want the scrutiny, they don't want the higher chance of losing power and they don't want the extra work. The campaigning, propaganda and media manipulation isn't to keep you divided, it's because both sides are desperately trying to
unify people under their banner. The division happens because your politics is dominated by two parties with vastly different political ideologies who both want everyone together... on their side of the political compass.
It's a controlled system cause a non republican or democratic candidate will NEVER be elected.
As long as those in power hold the power to leech through manipulation and fear.. It will never change.
As long as everything is run and funded by greedy corporations things will never change.
You can have ideologies without choosing a political side ya know.. Oh wait... Most aren't that open minded, right? Or is it fear of being wrong that keeps people asleep?
Now this isn't even relevant to what we were discussing. What I was talking about was conspiracy, not corruption, and you're conflating the two. I am well aware of the
numerous faults in the US political system. What I'm saying is that there is no conspiracy where the government is actively antagonising the American populace on purpose specifically for the sake of dividing you because that's ridiculous.
The stuff you mention there in that second quote, those are very real problems that have nothing to do with an imaginary conspiracy. It is absolutely true that your system is biased in favour of the democrats and republicans. Slightly more towards the republicans because the electoral college is stupid but that's just one of many flaws and the democrats sure as hell aren't immune to criticism since they're plenty of guilty of corporate ownership. It's totally true that corporations in the US hold too much power, in fact I'd argue that is the single biggest issue with American politics (thanks Reagan). Those are things I totally agree with. They're also totally irrelevant to what you and I are discussing but I'm leaving them in because they tie into the next part.
Firstly saying "I don't side with either the democrats or the republicans", you are inherently choosing a side. Whether you're a libertarian (you seem like one to me, even if you don't necessarily label yourself as such), whether you like the greens or if your views align with someone else or nobody else, you're taking a side. It is literally impossible to have a political ideology without taking a side. Even centrism is a side. If you support anarchy, even that is taking a side. Arguing for not taking a side with either of the major parties is an oxymoron because it is inherently creating a position that you side with.
Secondly, nothing ever changes? People like you who refuse to take sides and actively disengage with politics are a huge part of why nothing changes. If you want to see changes you need to put your voice to good use instead of using it to act high and mighty, sprouting conspiracy theories and imagining yourself as enlightened and better than the people actually fighting to make changes happen. The way the US is now it's going to take a hell of a lot of very loud voices screaming to get corporations out of the capital and a huge part of how you ended up there is because too many people were silent when a small number of voices was enough to matter.
You go on and on about how naive people are but every time you do it you're just showcasing how little you actually know about politics. Democracy only works because there's people taking sides and arguing different view points. That's what makes it fair. If everyone in the government is agreeing, then you have a single party system. Congrats, that's not democratic anymore. If every politician is in agreement and every media outlet is working to bring everyone together under the same banner, that's called fascism. You are advocating for fascism. You don't realise it, you're not doing it on purpose, you're not a nazi or a stalinesque communist or whatever, you're just totally misguided as to how democracy works. You don't want them all agreeing, that's a warning sign.
Your problem is that you view government - not
your government, government itself - as inherently negative. You act as though the literal institution is a sentient, evil antagonistic force that exists for the sake of making life harder for everyone else. The government isn't out to get you, we have governments because we need them for society to function. Government is a
very good thing. If you want to see what society would be like without it, watch a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy. You're misguided and overestimate your own understanding of things and you're mistaking that for enlightenment.
There's a lot of issues with the US government. I am in no way trying to say that there's not a lot of work to do. But there's no conspiracy against the people. There's rampant corruption, the institution is sick and it desperately needs healing. But you're not going to fix that by sitting there preaching fallacies and advocating that nobody makes an effort to fix it. You can fix what's wrong with the government or you can stop the discussion and erase the political divide. You can't have it both ways.
Edit: Sorry for typos, I haven't slept. Went back and fixed a couple of really bad ones just now but still missed a shitload I think.
