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Old August 17th, 2012 (9:09 AM).
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    Hey whatsup PC!? This is my second RMT. I have had roughly 50 or so battles with this team on PS and people rage quit about halfway through so i didnt have enough time to figure out some threats to this team. But Lets get into it!

    Sableye @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk
    - Taunt
    - Recover
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Night Shade

    Nidoking @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Earth Power
    - Focus Blast
    - Ice Beam
    - Sludge Wave

    Roserade @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Spikes
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Rest

    Slowbro @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
    Bold Nature
    - Scald
    - Psyshock
    - Calm Mind
    - Slack Off

    Snorlax @ Leftovers
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
    Careful Nature
    - Body Slam
    - Whirlwind
    - Sleep Talk
    - Rest

    Krookodile @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Pursuit
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge


    Roserade, Slowbro, and Snorlax have GREAT defensive Synergy. Sableye is a pain in the butt, with prankster and WoW, cripples any physical sweepers.

    Any and all help would be welcome thanks :D
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    Old August 17th, 2012 (5:28 PM).
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    Just so Snorlax's bulk is a bit more balanced, the EV spread should be 208 HP/124 Def/176 SDef.

    Something to consider over Krookodile is Heracross because its STABs are stronger:
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -Earthquake/Sleep Talk
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Moxie/Guts
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    Old August 17th, 2012 (5:42 PM).
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      Firstly take PlatinumDude's suggestion for Snorlax, it enables you to take physical hits better which is what people will be trying to use on Snorlax.

      However I think Scarf Krookodile fits better then Scarf Heracross on this team so I recommend you keep him. It has better synergy with the team and STAB Pursuit is always cool especially with Goth running around.

      While this is a reasonable team I can't seem to see why style you're trying to play, you have 3 walls, an attacker and a spinblocker and a scarfer so I assume semi-stall? Which is cool but we need some changes, SR is crucial. I can't stress this enough especially since Slowbro and Snorlax rely primarily on hazards to be most effective. In which case I recommend placing Stealth Rock > Sludge Wave on Nidoking, you still get ample coverage but now you have SR. I'm hesitate to remove Nidoking because without it you can't do much against stall.

      Foul Play is needed on Sableye over Night Shade, without it you are setup fodder to ChestoRest Kingdra or whatnot. Having the ability to smack them with their own boosted attack is nice.

      Something to watch out for is Scarf Gothitelle, it can trap and kill Nidoking and more importantly Roserade, if you lose Roserade not only do you lose Spikes but threatening bulky waters become a pain to deal with. Since Shadow Tag can't be countered there's nothing we can do however play Roserade more conservatively if they have a Gothitelle waiting.

      Just my 2 cents.
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      Old August 17th, 2012 (6:20 PM).
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        Quote:
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        Just so Snorlax's bulk is a bit more balanced, the EV spread should be 208 HP/124 Def/176 SDef.

        Something to consider over Krookodile is Heracross because its STABs are stronger:
        -Megahorn
        -Close Combat
        -Stone Edge
        -Earthquake/Sleep Talk
        Nature: Jolly/Adamant
        EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
        Item: Choice Scarf
        Ability: Moxie/Guts
        I tried Heracross and he just didnt fit
        But i am using the EV spread for snorlax.



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        Firstly take PlatinumDude's suggestion for Snorlax, it enables you to take physical hits better which is what people will be trying to use on Snorlax.

        However I think Scarf Krookodile fits better then Scarf Heracross on this team so I recommend you keep him. It has better synergy with the team and STAB Pursuit is always cool especially with Goth running around.

        I have seen more Goths around on the PS server and that became his primary use

        While this is a reasonable team I can't seem to see why style you're trying to play, you have 3 walls, an attacker and a spinblocker and a scarfer so I assume semi-stall? Which is cool but we need some changes, SR is crucial. I can't stress this enough especially since Slowbro and Snorlax rely primarily on hazards to be most effective. In which case I recommend placing Stealth Rock > Sludge Wave on Nidoking, you still get ample coverage but now you have SR. I'm hesitate to remove Nidoking because without it you can't do much against stall.

        Honestly this team i randomly made with a defensive core and an offensive core and went through several pokes and eventually landed on Sableye. But sableye has turned this into a semi-stall team. As for nidoking, i will take your suggestions. And i dont quite understand what you meant in the Undelined/Bold part.

        Foul Play is needed on Sableye over Night Shade, without it you are setup fodder to ChestoRest Kingdra or whatnot. Having the ability to smack them with their own boosted attack is nice.

        I feel like an idiot xD. I thought Foul Play was determined by My attack stat not the foes.

        Something to watch out for is Scarf Gothitelle, it can trap and kill Nidoking and more importantly Roserade, if you lose Roserade not only do you lose Spikes but threatening bulky waters become a pain to deal with. Since Shadow Tag can't be countered there's nothing we can do however play Roserade more conservatively if they have a Gothitelle waiting.

        Just my 2 cents.
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          Ah what I meant was without Nidoking a full stall team will easily beat you. A well played Nidoking will never beat stall for you but it can aid you significantly, besides full stall is still rare.
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            Ah what I meant was without Nidoking a full stall team will easily beat you. A well played Nidoking will never beat stall for you but it can aid you significantly, besides full stall is still rare.

            Hmm i am trying to decide if i should Switch nidoking for
            Bisharp @ Leftovers
            Trait: Jolly
            EV's 252Attack/252 Speed/4 Hp
            Substitute
            Swords Dance
            Sucker Punch
            Brick Break/Low Sweep

            Because porygon 2 is a big pain to my team, and Bisharp would take care of it with the Brick Break. Thoughts?
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              Hmm i am trying to decide if i should Switch nidoking for
              Bisharp @ Leftovers
              Trait: Jolly
              EV's 252Attack/252 Speed/4 Hp
              Substitute
              Swords Dance
              Sucker Punch
              Brick Break/Low Sweep

              Because porygon 2 is a big pain to my team, and Bisharp would take care of it with the Brick Break. Thoughts?
              Uh not needed really, Nidoking deals about 70% with FB, with SR any combo of Earth Power + FB should be sufficient. Keep Nidoking, it gives you rocks and instant power.

              Tbh Bisharp sucks honestly, with BW2 it looks like it's dropping to RU. It's simply too slow and despite good defenses with all the Fire-types and Flygon's floating around you'd be hard pressed to sweep.

              Of course it's Focus Miss for a reason but hax is hax :/
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              Old August 18th, 2012 (10:16 PM).
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              Uh not needed really, Nidoking deals about 70% with FB, with SR any combo of Earth Power + FB should be sufficient. Keep Nidoking, it gives you rocks and instant power.

              Tbh Bisharp sucks honestly, with BW2 it looks like it's dropping to RU. It's simply too slow and despite good defenses with all the Fire-types and Flygon's floating around you'd be hard pressed to sweep.

              Of course it's Focus Miss for a reason but hax is hax :/
              I second this. I also think that Bisharp is best against balanced/offensive teams because of Sucker Punch hitting frail opponents hard before they make a move. Even if you went with Bisharp, it should be using a more bulky spread (160 HP/252 Atk/96 Spe to outspeed Gligar and to make the most out of its decent defensive typing; Bisharp isn't very fast to begin with).
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              Old August 19th, 2012 (2:03 PM).
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                Wow i always kinda thought Bisharp was good xD

                But one thing i have noticed is that a big threat to this team is Porygon2!
                Focus Blast's accuracy can often be a letdown when i need it the most. But no team is perfect. Any other thoughts?
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