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Old August 13th, 2007 (10:56 PM).
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Here's what I have planned:

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Blaze
Flamethrower, Brick Break, Dragon Claw, Earthquake

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Inner Focus
Air Slash, Confuse Ray, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball

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Sand Stream
Focus Punch, Substitute, Thunderbolt, Crunch

Mild [email protected] Berry/Kasib Berry
Oblivious
Lovely Kiss, Psychic, Calm Mind, Ice Beam

Timid [email protected] Berry
Volt Absorb
Agility, Thunder Wave/Substitute, Baton Pass, Thunderbolt

Modest [email protected] Lens
Sniper
Draco Meteor, Surf, Focus Energy, Agility


Let me know what you think, this is my first attempt at creating a competitive team so the movesets may be a bit off. Constructive criticism/advice appreciated.
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Old August 13th, 2007 (11:45 PM).
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I'd love to help, because it is needed. Before I get into the movesets, I should point out you have no walls. Only Kingdra can take a hit on your team, and only one or two at that. After implementing some walls, this team would show improvement. Still, the movesets are flawed. You should choose either physical attacks or special attacks for one pokemon in most cases, that way the nature doesn't have to deduct from your defenses. Charizard would be much better with fire punch instead of flamethrower, or any physical fire type for that matter. I'll get to the others in a minute. The natures on your pokemon are terrible. Jolly on TTar is good, though. Just get rid of thunderbolt. Bold is horrid on Charizard b/c it deducts the most important stat of a physical cgharizard, its attack. What kind of sense does that make? Brave is bad for crobat, yada yada yada. Pretty much, the natures suck. Why does crobat have all special moves? Give it brave bird and hypnosis. Kingdra and jolteon have good natures too, but their movesets are lacking. Oh, items like charcoal are useless. USELESS. I also believe scope lens is banned in competitive play. A pokemon like aerodactyl that has a rock and ground type move and can outspeed your team would have a field day on your team. Defensively, and in many ways ofensively, this team is very weak. It is very fixable though, just needs better movesets and some walls. You can fix this. Better players than me can help you more, so I'm done talkin'.
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Old August 14th, 2007 (12:45 AM).
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:/ I like special Zard :/
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Old August 14th, 2007 (9:11 AM).
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Jolly Tyranitar isn't worth it. I'd say you should go Avalanche-tar.
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Old August 14th, 2007 (7:11 PM).
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I appreciate the help guys. I'm aware that the natures on some of the Pokemon are terrible, but right now I can't really do anything about that because I've already trained them extensively and it would take quite a bit of time to breed them until they have the right nature and retrain them. I had a friend migrate the Pokemon from Fire red (Eevee, Tyranitar, Charizard, Seadra, Jynx, and Crobat). Also, can you suggest any Pokemon that would make a good physical wall?
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Old August 14th, 2007 (7:14 PM).
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I'd love to (because he's my second favorite pokemon). Steelix! With maxed HP and Defense, this thing can take a few EQs. He can use stealth rock and learn EQ without using the TM (breed with a golem that learns EQ naturally). Relaxed + Gyro Ball is a splendid combo. Lots of power.
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Old August 15th, 2007 (7:36 AM).
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Kingdra should have either Waterfall w/ Draco Meteor... or... Dragon Pulse/Surf
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Old August 15th, 2007 (9:43 AM).
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Following up on what penguinpal said, Kingdra can be a physical or special sweeper. Give it rain dance if it has swift swim. If not, use...something else. I prefer physical kingdra because it can dragon dance in which case rain dance would be useless, even with swift swim. The movepool is kinda lacking, though...I think.
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Old August 15th, 2007 (10:34 AM).
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Penguinpal, I'm not sure I understand. Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, and Surf are all special attacks but you suggest using either 2 special attacks or 1 special and 1 physical? Please clarify this for me.
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use Draco Meteor and Waterfall on the same moveset

or

use Dragon Pulse with Surf.
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If Kingdra is a special sweeper I don't see how putting together 1 physical attack with 1 special attack makes any sense. It would be helpful if you could clarify, rather than just say what you already said.
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It might have something to do with draco meteor's power. Many people use overheat on physical fire types.
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If my Charizard is Level 72 and I use EV subtracting berries on it, would it be too late to EV train? I want it to be a physical sweeper but it's attack is way too low. If not, what nature would you reccomend? Here's the moveset I had planned, let me know what you think:

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Fire Punch
Brick Break
Swords Dance
Earthquake

Fire Punch is unfortunately the best physical fire attack Charizard can learn but with STAB and Blaze it should be powerful enough.
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Old August 15th, 2007 (11:33 PM).
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Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
~Swords dance/belly drum
~Fire Punch
~Aerial Ace (gets stab, is this physical?)/Brick Break
~EQ

If it can learn stone edge I recommend it. Brick Break hits lots of those rock types hard. You would need to use swords dance to KO those things though because most rock types have stellar D. In other words, charizard can't take a hit. Salamence or garchomp are better physical sweepers, but charizard has cool points. You need to start EV training right when you get it. Every pokemon you fight gives EVs, the trick is knowing what pokemon to get EVs from (duh). Uh, yeah, that's my opinion.
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Dragon Dance and Flare Blitz work as well.
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Old August 16th, 2007 (7:55 AM).
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Would Tyranitar make a better physical sweeper then? I know you suggested Salamence and Garchomp but on my teams I like using just 1st and 2nd gen Pokemon, that's just what I do. I looked on the Serebii attack charts and its attack is right below Dragonite, and I'll be able to breed Dragon Dance to it as well. If not, then what 1st and 2nd gen Pokemon could you reccomend? I was thinking maybe Dragonite, but I don't know if I should have 2-3 flyers and 2 dragons on a team. Anyway thanks for the help everyone.
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Since both attack stats of Kingdras are equal, you can either make a special sweeper, or a physical sweeper(or a mixed, but it sucks bonslys).

Physical Moveset:

Draco Meteor
Waterfall
Dragon Dance
Splash XD/Return

Special Moveset:

Dragon Pulse
Surf
Icebeam
HP Electric/Toxic

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Tyranitar wouldnt be considered a sweeper: sweepers have to be FAST (ex. porygon-Z (special) Weavile (physical))
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That's what Dragon Dance is for. That, taunt, EQ, and Stone Edge. That is a pretty good sweeper/anti-(P)Hazer. Dragonite is a good sweeper with dragon dance. TTar can also be a physical (or even special, I guess...) tank.
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Old August 16th, 2007 (10:47 PM).
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Here's my revised team, again, give me your opinion and change whatever you see fit:

Adamant [email protected] Berry with Blaze: Physical Sweeper
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Fire Punch
Brick Break
Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
Earthquake

Timid [email protected] Sludge with Inner Focus: Hazer/Annoyer
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 HP, 6 Special Attack
Haze
Hypnosis
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Ball

Jolly [email protected]??? with Sand Stream: Physical Sweeper
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Defense
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Earthquake
Stone Edge

Relaxed [email protected] with Rock Head: Physical Wall
EVs: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 6 Attack
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Gyro Ball
Rest

Timid [email protected] Berry with Volt Absorb: Baton Passer
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
Agility
Thunder Wave/Substitute
Baton Pass
Thunderbolt

Modest [email protected] Lens/Wisdom Glasses with Sniper: Special Sweeper
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 Special Defense
Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
Surf/Waterfall
Focus Energy/Ice Beam
Agility

One question about EV training, say I have two Pokemon with Pokerus, 1 is holding a power ankle, the other holding an exp share. The first Pokemon battles a Golbat, which gives out 2 speed EVs, and it comes out to 12 with Pokerus and the held item. Since the Pokemon holding the exp share gets the same EVs and they aren't split, would Pokerus double it to 24? Thanks for all your help guys.
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Crobat looks terrible with shadow ball, try a physical attack and jolly nature. Kingdra...hmmm. Use surf and dragon pulse and ice beam too with agility. For charizard, use SD, steelix is fine, TTar is fine, jolteon is also fine. However, you have no special wall and a fast/strong pokemon with EQ and stone edge would have a field day on this team. A garchomp would tear it apart. I'd take out crobat to add a wall (special) and something that can counter garchomp.
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Old August 17th, 2007 (12:30 PM). Edited August 17th, 2007 by robbman14.
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How's this:

Calm [email protected] w/ Natural Cure: Special Wall
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Special Defense, 6 Special Attack
Light Screen
Softboiled/Dream Eater
Sing
Aromatherapy/Return

I think Kingdra should be able to take out Garchomp after using Agility a couple times, and Steelix could probably take a few hits from it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Steelix can take the hits. It's kingdra. You will die before geting sped up. Return is a BIG no-no on blisseywith 10 base attack i think, which is shuckle's. Softboiled and Aromatherapy stay. Seismic toss is good to inflict damage, and thunder Wave to induce status. There are many variations of bliss. Bold nature and move the SpD EVs into Defense.
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Old August 17th, 2007 (12:45 PM).
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That's exactly why I put return on Blissey, because the power is determined not by the Pokemon's attack but by how much it likes the trainer, unless the Attack stat of the Pokemon still influences the power of the move in which case, yeah, I'll definitely remove it :P

Edit: Do you think Jolteon would be able to Baton Pass speed to Kingdra?
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Good idea on BPing speed. Return's base power is 102 when the pokemon loves you completely, but attcak is still factored in, so use ice beam or seismic toss. BP speed to kingdra and you might just have a chomp counter, depending on if he can take the hit, though dragon claw is a OHKO.
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