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View Poll Results: How good is my BL/UU team?
1-the worst 2 13%
2-really bad 0 0%
3-poor 0 0%
4-below average 0 0%
5-okay 0 0%
6-above average 0 0%
7-pretty good 2 13%
8-strong 5 31%
9-great 5 31%
10-the best 2 13%
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Old August 21st, 2007 (9:51 AM).
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It's Boah weak.

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Old August 21st, 2007 (9:56 AM).
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Okay, who's boah? If it as anything to do with TTar having special attacks, I'd agree. However, Blastoise and Kingdra have a shot at taking it down *coughraindancecough* Well, thanks. I'd likle to know any other weaknesses I have so I can fix it up. Thanks Spinespike, good critizism.

EDIT: BTW could you rate my team, you can use multiple cjhoice, so you can vote again.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (10:00 AM).
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Well I can show you a team you have weak too:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** ...
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 136 Atk / 180 Spd / 192 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Explosion
- Hypnosis
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band * ...
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers * ...
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Spd / 188 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Crunch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Milotic (F) @ Leftovers ** ...
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Toxic

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers ** ...
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 140 HP / 96 Atk / 56 Def / 4 Spd / 64 SAtk / 148 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Fire Blast
- Return
- Selfdestruct

Celebi @ Leftovers ** ...
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 148 Def / 20 Spd / 100 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Recover

You will lose.
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Uh, okay...hmm. Celebi goes out in one hit to Scizor, easy. Otherwise, I suppose I see your point...how do I fix this problem?
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Okay Celebi goes down in one hit but if you notice I have six Pokemon that I can switch too.

Umm you use better Pokemon and make a better team.
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Well, these are my favorites, so I won't get rid of them, even if I'm at a disadvantage. I'd rather like the pokemon I use than just fight with mence, heracross, skarmbliss, metagross and gengar. Also, Hypno can pass the screens which can help the gang take hits.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (10:19 AM).
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Whatever I guess you like to lose.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (11:57 AM).
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First of all, Rock Slide is 100% useless on Slaking, since Return (if you'd have it) does slightly more damage than super effective Rock Slide (and already OHKOs Charizard/Moltres/Articuno) other than to Aerodactyl who then gets hits by Focus Punch for just as much damage as super effective Rock Slide. Use Earthquake over it.

Second of all, Hyper Beam on Slaking sucks, you use Hyper Beam, then opponent switches in Heracross / Medicham / Tyranitar / something else that can OHKO you, and you won't be able to switch. If you'd have Return, then you could switch after you hit something with it, and Hyper Beam doesn't KO anything that Return doesn't other than Weezing iirc, who takes plenty of damage from Return already. Use Return over Hyper Beam. Especially recommending this since Slaking is the main thing on your team who doesn't get walled easily as long as you can predict (or if you can't, then you shouldn't be using it in the first place anyway).

Third of all, you say that you counter most OU threats, including TTar. Saying TTar separately is ironic, since you coincidentally have one of the biggest TTar weaks. Boah destroys this team as it is, T-Bolt probably 2hkos Blastoise, and Kingdra eats a nice Focus Punch on the switch or from behind a TTar Substitute. Physical TTars, such as DDTar, CBTar or Sub TTar all handle your team well enough, Blastoise takes too much damage from them with no Leftovers recovery in sandstorm + no Rest. Plus, TTar gets free switch-ins on Hypno and after Slaking has hit something. Rest on Blastoise won't remedy this much without having Heal Bell on the team.

You also say that you can counter Skarm and Bliss. How? Hypno/Blastoise/Kingdra and even Steelix get walled by Blissey, while Skarm walls Scizor/Steelix and Slaking can only damage it with Focus Punch. Slaking is a very shaky Skarmbliss counter though, especially with no Wish support, it will get taken down easily.

Also, Scizor doesn't counter Heracross. Heracross used switch. Something has to be able to switch into something in order to counter it, but Scizor takes a huge blow from a CB Focus Punch, and is probably 2hko'd by CB Megahorn. That being said, nothing on your team can safely switch into Heracross, while it can get free switch-ins on Steelix / after Slaking killed something / can easily switch in on Blastoise too and can easily survive one Psychic from Hypno.

Zapdos weak too, Steelix can't hit it other than Exploding on it or Toxicing it (since Zapdoses mostly carry Resttalk, the latter option is nullified), Hypno is like 3hko'd by Thunderbolt, and the rest is killed even easier.

Bulky waters aren't covered either, Toxic Milotic outstalls your whole team other than Slaking.

I could go on with listing more weaks, but it would take hours and I've just got bored.

Also, in competitive battling, you have to usually choose between wether you want to win or rather want "coolness" / want to use your favourites. In the case of the latter, what's the point of posting a team, since "fun" / "favourites" teams aren't mainly meant to win anyway, but then what's there to fix on them?

/end of tl;dr wall of text

P.S. Sup Mullet

np: Maurice Ravel - Bolero

Have a nice day.

Edit: Oh, just noticed that you said that you don't have the EQ TM and then realised that this is an in-game team. Most of my points still stand anyway though.
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I concur and what's up.

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That's why I'm asking for help...and a few points in your argument are incorrect however. Especially Scizor not being a heracross counter. Megahorn is 4x innefective againnst Scizor...even with STAB and the choice band, it won't kill it. Well, I gotta go. Could you post some ways to improve now. Another "1" rate? Now this team isn't perfect, but it's at least a 5...so could you all help iron out these problems? Thanks.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (11:35 PM).
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and a few points in your argument are incorrect however. Especially Scizor not being a heracross counter. Megahorn is 4x innefective againnst Scizor...even with STAB and the choice band, it won't kill it.
Err, steel does resist bug, but bug doesn't resist itself, so Megahorn would only be 2x not very effective against Scizor and not 4x, in which case CB Megahorn will probably 2hko.

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I damage calc'd max attack CB Megahorn on the Scizor with your spread and it does between 44%-52% and you don't use Lefties so lol.
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Okay, okay. Could you please tell me how to improve, not what's wrong with my team. I know its faults, so please help me fix them.
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Use better Pokemon. You know those OU ones.
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Use better Pokemon. You know those OU ones.
ya know, there is a reason he called it BL/UU team.... -_-
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Use better Pokemon. You know those OU ones.
It is a team of favorites, and I'm not so big on OUs. Here, I'll post my OU team, now help with this one. You know, like EVs and movesets. I'm keeping these pokemon. DONE.
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My question about steelix: Should I replace toxic for rest? Well, thanks for all the help guys.
Probably IMO. I don't see Rest very helpful for Steelix, and you like don't wake up after a turn.
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Huh? I have toxic now, so you're saying put rest? But then you call it useless...still, steelix can only take so many hits, so it may be needed.

BTW, taking off rock slide from Slaking and giving it Return, and Steelix will lose Explosion for Rock Slide and Toxic for rest. Good moves?
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Huh? I have toxic now, so you're saying put rest? But then you call it useless...still, steelix can only take so many hits, so it may be needed.

BTW, taking off rock slide from Slaking and giving it Return, and Steelix will lose Explosion for Rock Slide and Toxic for rest. Good moves?
Ahh... I actually said keep Toxic but since you said Steelix has great defense, Rest.. yeah yeah..
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It is a team of favorites, and I'm not so big on OUs. Here, I'll post my OU team, now help with this one. You know, like EVs and movesets. I'm keeping these pokemon. DONE.
Well if you are keeping the same Pokemon then it will continue to lose to well built OU teams.
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Continue to lose? I haven't played a match. I refuse to use the same old pokemon over and over...I quit playing for a few years b/c it got boring. It is much more fun using pokemon I like...now please help me with the roster I have chosen, rather than continually suggesting to get rid of them for OU pokemon. Hypno is by no means bad, same goes with the others. Sure they are outclassed by others, but I'm willing to have a challenge. So please, help now. HELP. Not "get rid of ..." Please.
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So you haven't tested it yet. Fine you will lose to OU teams that are well made if you use that team. Also don't battle horrible players and then call it good because you win.

Sure Hypno is good. In UU.
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So you haven't tested it yet. Fine you will lose to OU teams that are well made if you use that team. Also don't battle horrible players and then call it good because you win.

Sure Hypno is good. In UU.
Really starting to get frustrated...I understand you're not cool with my pokes. Okay, fine, that's your opinion and I'm cool with it. It's just, I'm asking for help on my team, not replacements. Don't post about that anymore please. Even if I lose, I'll at least have fun, and isn't that what it's all about? Yes (at least in my opinion). So please help my current team now, please.
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It doesn't matter what you do to it. You will still lose to good OU teams.

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If you won't help, don't post. I don't care if I win every frikin' match! Now stop saying the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER again. I get your point. Now help or don't post. Please.
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