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Old August 21st, 2007 (1:25 PM). Edited August 22nd, 2007 by BrainDamage.
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Hitmontop @leftovers (special wall/Rapid Spinner)
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careful: 252hp 174 sp def. 84 atk
rapid spin
mach punch
aerial ace
pursuit/substitute

Weavile @life orb (physical sweeper)
jolly: 252 atk, 252 spd 6 hp
night slash
ice punch
brick break
aerial ace

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serene grace
Timid: 252spatk 152 spdef 106spd
air slash
aura sphere
thunder wave
roost

Gengar @ Wide lens (special sweeper)
Timid
252 Satk/252 Spd/6 Hp
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Energy Ball

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Bold: 150 hp 240 def 120 Satk
hypnosis
recover
ice beam
surf

yes i know...blah blah blah restalking is better, etc. im going to experiment for myself. so dont even mention the milotic unless its about the EVs

Steelix @ macho brace (physical wall)
Relaxed
252 hp, 172 def. 86 atk (bred with crappy speed IVs)
stealth rock
roar/ explosion
EQ
gyro ball

make any suggestions needed, thanks in advance
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Old August 21st, 2007 (2:37 PM).
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Nice team. Just a couple of things:

1) Never use a non-attacking move on a Choice Item pokemon. You have that powerful Gengar but after Hypnosis his amazing power goes to waste. If you want to keep Hypnosis, try Life Orb or Wise Glasses.

2) You are the 2nd person I've had to say this to. Gyro Ball's power is based on your oppnent's speed and not your own. At least according to serebii.net.

3) Wish over Roost is an option on Togekiss, to give your team some extra support.

4) Your Milotic. Try Rest...lol joke. I'd recomment giving more EVs into Sp. Def as Marvel Scale boost Def anyway.

Other than those points, though, your team is pretty solid.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (2:49 PM). Edited August 21st, 2007 by BrainDamage.
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to correct you, Ed, gyro ball is dependent of BOTH your, and your opponent's speed. this is the calculation: the base power of gyro ball= 25 x (target speed/user speed). so to inflict max damage and ideal results for example, steelix vs. high speed (aka ninjask, weavile, etc.)= huge damage

hmm. gengar isnt supposed to have choice specs. thank you for bringing that to my attention. i copied and pasted that list here from MS word, must hvae forgotten to change item when i decided to use hypnosis: its supposed to be wide lens (for hypnosis and focus blast)
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Old August 21st, 2007 (2:49 PM).
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Hitmontop @leftovers (special wall/Rapid Spinner)
Technician
careful: 252hp 164 sp def. 72 atk
rapid spin
Earthquake
Agility
Endeavor

It should be able to last a turn for Agility. Then it turns into a great(or average) sweeper.

Weavile @Focus sash
jolly: 252 atk, 252 spd, 6 hp
night slash
ice punch
brick break
Swords Dance

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serene grace
Timid: 252spatk 172 SDEF/80 SPEED
air slash
aura sphere
thunder wave
roost

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Timid
252 SAtk/252 Spd/4 Hp
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt

NEVER use Choice Items with attacks like Hypnosis. Or you'll be Hypnosising all over the opponent when its still asleep. Thunderbolt over Energyball for coverage.

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Bold: 252 HP/ 172 DEF/80 SDEF
hypnosis
recover
ice beam
surf

Burn Orb Milo takes more damage than Restalk Milo, if u sense status, then just switch in to Milo to absorb it.

yes i know...blah blah blah restalking is better, etc. im going to experiment for myself. so dont even mention the milotic unless its about the EVs

Steelix @ macho brace (physical wall)
Relaxed
252 HP/ 172 DEF/80 ATK
Stone Edge
explosion
EQ
gyro ball

Stealth Rock is near pointless without Roaring.

make any suggestions needed, thanks in advance
Milo has a slight change XDD
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choice specs was a copy error from MSword. im going to experiment milotic in order to decide. experience is the best knowledge in this field. i hear roar on steelix isnt great, but i still needed stealth rock for support. (focus sash pokes are screwed by SR, spikes,etc) explosion is for those suicide bombing missions when health is low and i predict a switch to a special sweeper. the hitmontop moveset is from Samson, and i trust his judgement. milotics evs i kinda like how they are cause she needs a little sp. atk boost
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choice specs was a copy error from MSword. im going to experiment milotic in order to decide. experience is the best knowledge in this field. i hear roar on steelix isnt great, but i still needed stealth rock for support. (focus sash pokes are screwed by SR, spikes,etc) explosion is for those suicide bombing missions when health is low and i predict a switch to a special sweeper. the hitmontop moveset is from Samson, and i trust his judgement. milotics evs i kinda like how they are cause she needs a little sp. atk boost
lol he said Hitmontop cuz it was cute -_-; Its a little fragile because of that horrible HP stat, its defenses are above average but might not last long. A good rapid Spinner sould stand at least 2 hits.

Milotic serves as a special wall, not a special sweeper.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (3:13 PM).
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i was tlaking about hte moveset he said. not why to have him. hitmontop does have other perks....steelix is a physical wall yet you give it attack....milotic doesnt need a lot of sp. atk. just a bit

EDIT: what if i replaced persuit on hitmontop with substitute?
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Then use this 252 HP/ 100 DEF/80 SDEF/72 SATK

if you must.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (6:12 PM).
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i figured out a pretty good one on milotic:
240 hp 102 def 104 sp def 64 sp atk

EDIT: noticed a while ago that most of the evs i posted didnt add to 510. fixed it
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Milotic needs no Special Defense. Restalk Milo sucks when compared to Hypnolotic.

Milotic with decent HP and no Sp. Def EVs can take about two unstabbed Thunderbolts.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (6:22 PM).
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well, im keeping most of the sp. def evs there for extra support
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You should max out her Defenses or Milotic's staying power will be minimal.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (6:32 PM).
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in that case do i need to switch to calm nature then? or make evs: 240 hp 144def 62 sp def 64 sp atk
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Your EV spread is getting split up amongst too many stats. Do you want a Milotic who can take more physical hits? special hits? more of a sweeper?
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Old August 21st, 2007 (6:41 PM).
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i need it to be a little more special, but mixed to take full advantage of marvel scale, but she also needs some sp. atk (at least 40-60) to kill dragons
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You are basically asking for the physical wall Milotic then. Why put no Sp. Def EVs? Because Milotics base Special Defense is 125. Yet her defense is at a low 79. Without EVs in Sp. Def you can still manage 286 max. Ain't too shabby.

Therefore Milotic needs to have a Bold Nature and max EVS and perfect IVs to achieve 282 in Defense. Sounds pretty balanced right?

Despite you wanting to Marvel Scale to activate, as a Milotic user that is rare. Most people are very cautious about using status afflictions on her.

Milotic needs some HP investment too. A little Sp. Atk boosts her attack so she can KO Dragons.

This is the standard spread.

148 HP / 240 Def / 120 SpAtk

Pretty much balanced Defense stats. Decent HP and enough firepower to KO most of the dragons types.
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Old August 21st, 2007 (6:58 PM). Edited August 22nd, 2007 by BrainDamage.
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excellent....breeding has been a pain. going for good hp, def, sp atk, sp. def. and some speed. i keep getting 25-26 ivs in atk...ergh...i need some serious luck
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calm
10 hp
25 atk
30-31 def
22-24 sp atk.
9 sp def
1 spd

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bold
11 hp
6 atk
14 def
11 sp atk
30-31 sp def
25 spd

between the two, they haveh t stats i need...i just need luck. i guess im all set parent wise, i just need to get those 4 stats passed down and gt lucky with hp and speed.

AWW DAMN!!! I just bred a great feebas! but the sp def sucks
Level: 15
hp: 20-26
atk: 24- 29
def: 27-31
sp ak: 20-26
sp def:0-3
spd: 14-19
(swaps out other feebas for this one)

EDIT: crap. thread died. again
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