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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:38 PM).
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Anti,Ima take this to 4th gen for a sec

Now, Kazaam, he worked for me cause I gave him Taunt. Once a Baton Passer comes, or a switch is predicted,I can wreck a team. Criticize this, please:

Gyarados-???
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Earthquake
Waterfall/Ice Fang
Dragon Dance
EV:252 ATK, 252 SPEED, 6 DEF

I don't know what he should hold. I also don't know what he should have: Waterfall or Ice Fang. With STAB, Waterfall has a base power of 120. Strong after DD. But with Ice Fang, 65 power is a setback. With more coverage, especially against Dragons. Nice after DD. Can you assist.

I am truley sorry for doing this on your thread, Anti. But not much of a point to start a new thread for this. Sorry.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:41 PM).
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It's cool, I know you aren't trying to spam my thread, so that's cool. The ice fang/Waterfall thing sure is a dilemma. Depends on your team I guess. I'd go ice fang for coverage, but barely. Tough question.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:44 PM).
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Anti,Ima take this to 4th gen for a sec

Now, Kazaam, he worked for me cause I gave him Taunt. Once a Baton Passer comes, or a switch is predicted,I can wreck a team. Criticize this, please:

Gyarados-???
Nature:Adamant
Taunt
Earthquake
Waterfall/Ice Fang
Dragon Dance
EV:252 ATK, 252 SPEED, 6 DEF

I don't know what he should hold. I also don't know what he should have: Waterfall or Ice Fang. With STAB, Waterfall has a base power of 120. Strong after DD. But with Ice Fang, 65 power is a setback. With more coverage, especially against Dragons. Nice after DD. Can you assist.

I am truley sorry for doing this on your thread, Anti. But not much of a point to start a new thread for this. Sorry.
I would keep waterfall, a STAB waterfall with a DDance kills salamence and Garchomp as much as Icefang so I say Waterfall all the way.
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Hmm, I ask this cause there were times when I couldn't fight Salamence or Garchomp.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:48 PM).
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The way i see it, you wold probably only be using ice fang on those two(or dragonite but that one's rare)so waterfall would cover more and with more power as well.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:52 PM).
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Waterfall for power, ice fang for overall coverage. That's pretty much it.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (6:19 PM).
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I agree with Kazaam, I'd take Waterfall, not sure how much it'll do to on Salamence but because Garchomp's part ground it'll do a fair number none the less. Waterfall probabley covers more too, if just not the ever common dragons.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (6:22 AM). Edited August 23rd, 2007 by Squarewalker.
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Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake

use this metagross set or otherwise special attacking Gengars with Hypnosis beat this team easily, this will take statuses really well too


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Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch

I'd put a special wall over this because Zapdos and other electrics will hurt you a lot with no electric resist, if you don't want Blissey, then Snorlax/Regice will do fine here.

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Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 200 Defense, 58 Special Attack
-Mirror Coat
-Recover
-Surf
-Ice Beam

use the set Shinespike posted for this

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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Attack
-HP Bug
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion
-Spikes

alright

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 84 Def / 68 Spd / 48 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt

use a bulky ev spread like this to be able to switch into Heracross and other fighters better


Unsure on last spot. I feel so criminal...BTW this team I came up with in ten minutes, so it isn't perfect.
Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Spd / 188 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Crunch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

put this in last slot and then you'll have a solid OU team: covers Skarmbliss and if a Gengar would carry Fire Punch in which case that Resttalk Metagross set I posted wouldn't be able to counter Gengar because it gets 2hko'd, then chances are, that Gengar isn't carrying Focus Punch in which case this TTar can be switched in safely; 68 spd evs to Sub before no spd ev'd Weezings use Will-O-Wisp


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snorlax is a great special wall imo.

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
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252 Hp/252 SDef/4 Atk
-Curse
-Rest
-Shadow Ball
-Return/Body Slam

switch in. curse a few times. rest. then sweep.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (9:57 AM).
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Oh, no. Not blissey. I'm mad I gave into OUs but I REFUSE to use the puffball of evil. There are other special walls, why not use snorlax?
I never said anything about Blissey.

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I heard CM was better...but I must've heard wrong. Fire punch over CM. Anything else?
I changed my mind. If you must use Zam use:

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Fire Punch
- Encore


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On, I have to say, that is a crewed up Milotic Moveset. Surf-Toxic-Sleep Talk-Rest. Sleep Talk randomly picks one move out of the rest, so it could repetitively use Toxic while asleep. Toxic is also unreliable. I would go classic set, with Hypnosis, Ice Beam, Surf, Recover. Just as effective.
You don't get the point do you. The point is to Rest when low on HP to regain all of Milo's HP while abusing Marvel Scale.

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snorlax is a great special wall imo.

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
Careful
252 Hp/252 SDef/4 Atk
-Curse
-Rest
-Shadow Ball
-Return/Body Slam

switch in. curse a few times. rest. then sweep.
Chesto Rest isn't that good.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (10:01 AM).
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I changed my mind. If you must use Zam use:

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Fire Punch
- Encore
Hidden Power [WATER] is also an option over Fire Punch unless you want Houndoom (though I don't know how common it is these days) to come in and laugh at you. HP Water has also saved me from a couple of weakened Tyranitars so it's worth a mention.
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On, I have to say, that is a crewed up Milotic Moveset. Surf-Toxic-Sleep Talk-Rest. Sleep Talk randomly picks one move out of the rest, so it could repetitively use Toxic while asleep. Toxic is also unreliable. I would go classic set, with Hypnosis, Ice Beam, Surf, Recover. Just as effective.
Lol. In Advance Life Orb and more powerful physical moves haven't ruined StalkMilo's walling capabilities so STalker > Hypnosis Milo.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (10:08 AM).
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Hidden Power [WATER] is also an option over Fire Punch unless you want Houndoom (though I don't know how common it is these days) to come in and laugh at you. HP Water has also saved me from a couple of weakened Tyranitars so it's worth a mention.
Houndoom isn't popular at all really. I'll kill counters before trying to sweep with Zam anyway.

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Okay, thanks guys. I'll use Itachi's EVs with DD, taunt, HP Flying/Return, and EQ. Okay, again, thanks.
Don't do that. Go with the EVs Squarewalker or myself posted.

Use HP [Flying]. If you have access to a perfect HP [Flying] on Gyarados use it.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (11:28 AM).
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Okay, thanks guys. I'll edit my post soon, but I'm kinda busy right now...
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