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Old August 22nd, 2007 (2:49 PM). Edited August 23rd, 2007 by Dark_Weavile.
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this strategy fails and wont last to long. i never tested it so i had to learn from other ppl dont post plz.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (2:53 PM).
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Pokemon: absol
ability:either(prefferably pressure or super luck if 4th move is a fightin move doesn't really matter
Ev's: divide between hp, def, spdef (or spd 252 /129 def,sp def if he switces out) no hp... 252 speed 125 def 125 sp. def
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watever u want(annoying move or physical if ur countered) substitute?
Item:Cutsap berry (makes u go first) (or quick claw)normal people don't allow cutsap berries or quick claws.
only real problem is whirlwind/roar and then absol switching back in a dieing, and I may be wrong but protect only has 10 pp and detect only has 5? 15 turns won't kill that many pokemon with toxic.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (2:54 PM).
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only real problem is whirlwind/roar and then absol switching back in a dieing, and I may be wrong but protect only has 10 pp and detect only has 5? 15 turns won't kill that many pokemon with toxic.
o yes i forgot to write that. i used pp max for them but again added up to 8 and 18.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (2:55 PM).
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only real problem is whirlwind/roar and then absol switching back in a dieing, and I may be wrong but protect only has 10 pp and detect only has 5? 15 turns won't kill that many pokemon with toxic.
It can't last two turns with such bad speed. And the opponent can just switch out -_-

EDIT: Protect/Detect works for about 10 turns, then ur hopeless
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26... hmm.

I still don't like it, it can be countered in SOOO many ways.

EDIT: skarmory

toxic doesn't affect steel types - even if it did...

Skarmory vs. Absol

toxic vs. spikes - hurt by toxic full hp from leftovers

protect vs. spikes - hurt by toxic 10 hp under limit from leftovers

detect vs. spikes - hurt by toxic 30 hp under limit from leftovers

protect vs. whirlwind

pokemon sent out gets 1/4 of damage delt.

absol is switched in... delt 1/4 of damage by spikes, k0'd by drill peck.

battle over.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (2:57 PM).
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Absol is only meant to be a physical sweeper with choice scarf. It sucks any other way.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (3:01 PM).
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26... hmm.

I still don't like it, it can be countered in SOOO many ways.

EDIT: skarmory

toxic doesn't affect steel types - even if it did...

Skarmory vs. Absol

toxic vs. spikes - hurt by toxic full hp from leftovers

protect vs. spikes - hurt by toxic 10 hp under limit from leftovers

detect vs. spikes - hurt by toxic 30 hp under limit from leftovers

protect vs. whirlwind

pokemon sent out gets 1/4 of damage delt.

absol is switched in... delt 1/4 of damage by spikes, k0'd by drill peck.

battle over.
thats y u shoudnt use it. only works on a unexpecting opponent. a person rdy to battle this can easily counter it. a not rdy person would only be able to switch out and almost every battler has brickbreak so those two are the weaknesses for unexpecting battler. also i dont like battling skarmory and many others dont either.

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thats y u shoudnt use it. only works on a unexpecting opponent. a person rdy to battle this can easily counter it. a not rdy person would only be able to switch out and almost every battler has brickbreak so those two are the weaknesses for unexpecting battler. also i dont like battling skarmory and many others dont either.
And its gonna make me turn off my game... -_-

Protect/Detect fails, it runs out of PP and only kills at the most of 1 pokemon. And thats not likely.
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And its gonna make me turn off my game... -_-

Protect/Detect fails, it runs out of PP and only kills at the most of 1 pokemon. And thats not likely.
well u would hate it if they used it and turn off game is exaggerating. lol
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (4:11 PM).
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do you even know what an aoromatheripist is? you'll run out of toxics by the time you try and use toxic on a blissey.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (4:55 PM).
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Wrong. This strategy doesn't work. Protect/Detect/Endure run on the same counter, meaning using protect, then detect, would be the same as using Protect, then protect again.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:06 PM).
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I thought of that earlier but didn't want to make myself look like an idiot by being wrong.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:06 PM).
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Wrong. This strategy doesn't work. Protect/Detect/Endure run on the same counter, meaning using protect, then detect, would be the same as using Protect, then protect again.
Exactly. Strategy = WRECK'D.
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (5:26 PM).
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Otherwise, fater pokemon like sceptile could use this. It's flawed though. Try togekiss...that thing is annoying!
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This strategy fails ._. Heracross,Electivire,Medicham all will massacre it x.x
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Otherwise, fater pokemon like sceptile could use this. It's flawed though. Try togekiss...that thing is annoying!
I really hope you meant faster -_-;

Togekiss is not considered as an annoyer. Its sorta a special sweeper kinda thing.

If this is competetive, all... all... all... ALL annoyers fail in competetive.
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urgh.. no bold. don't make your post bold unless you are rating/quoting.. :(
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (9:33 PM).
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Actually, frosslass doesn't fail that much, same goes for spiritomb and dusknoir. Actually annoyer spritombs and dusknoirs are chosen so all annoyers do NOT and I repeat not fail.
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Otherwise, fater pokemon like sceptile could use this. It's flawed though. Try togekiss...that thing is annoying!
FAT?!?!? ....... SCEPTILE?!?!? have you seen that things neck!?
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Old August 22nd, 2007 (11:18 PM).
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all annoyers fail.

if you wanna stall use pokemon such as suicune or jumpluff.
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (3:26 AM).
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This strat is useless, Detect and protect run on the same counter meaning that they dont work seperately. Plus steel types say LOL to the strat to start with...
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Old August 23rd, 2007 (3:27 AM).
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Lucario used Feint!

Alternatively, Steel or Poison types work. Or anything with Spite. Or Roar. Or WW. Or Aromatherapy, or Natural Cure, or Shed Skin, or Magic Guard, or Heal Bell, or Substitute, or Poison Heal, or Guts/Flame Orb. Or anything with a really strong Fighting move, since Protect/Detect fail in succession anyways.
 

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