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Do you think it will be possible to reduce the Global Warming?

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Global Warming is a load of rubbish. The Earth has been warming up ever since the last Ice Age. It's natural.
Global warming is natural.
Global warming at the current rate isn't, nor is it a 'load of rubbish'.

Seriously, I have no idea how people can just claim that Global Warming is a falsehood despite all the masses of evidence supporting it (and nothing against it).
Either that they're really stubborn and don't want to accept that they're ruining other people's future, or they're just plain dumb. ¬_¬
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I don't think it's fair to say that there is nothing against it. I mentioned a few small facts.
I'm not saying we shouldn't take good care of this earth, I'm just saying that the global warming going on is not nearly as severe as people make it out, nor is it all the fault of carbon.
evidence for and against it exists, and in both cases, is generally biased. everyone pushes their own agendas, presents statistics that are favorable to their cause while refraining from mentioning facts that they know conflict with their views. people believe what they want to believe.

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Okay, this is what I think, no flaming me please ^^;

You really can't deny that Global Warming isn't happening, is a load of rubbish (cough) and isn't serious. It's very serious. Same with Rainforests, so much being lost EVERY SECOND. When our children's children, and their children go to school, they'll only be reading about massive forests and Tigers and all those that call forests their home. Just like we are simply reading about Dinosaurs, and other ancient, extinct animals. Can you imagine?

We need to take care of the World which was given to us, and these gas-powered cars aren't helping. At all. Zip. They're making it worse. Global warming isn't natural, in my opinion-- we humans have caused it. And we need to turn everything around really fast. Everyone should care. Because all of us share this world, therefore all of us should do our own part in caring for it. Global Warming is real-- there's no doubt in my mind. But no one cares, they care about their money and their company and about themselves and their relatives and close friends. That's all. Our actions, today, what we're doing right now, doesn't affect us. But it WILL affect our children and our children's children and so on and so forth. That's not fair to them. And once it's too late, there's no going back. Funny, I didn't see anyone mentioning the O-Zone layer and the big hole in it that's growing larger. That's our problem. We're doing that to our earth, the one that was given to us, the one where we were brought in to. We need to stop being so selfish! Not just the U.S., everyone needs to help! Like China, I suppose. This is a big deal. And I, for one, hope to grow up to be a leader, teaching people about animal rights and Global Warming, if it's not too late by that time.
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no offense, but there is not enough proof for or against global warming to show either way.
I've presented several facts, and know others as well. but the fact is, there isn't enough evidence either way. I for one, do believe we should take care of the planet as responsible human beings, but I don't see global warming as an imminent threat
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When our children's children, and their children go to school, they'll only be reading about massive forests and Tigers and all those that call forests their home. Just like we are simply reading about Dinosaurs, and other ancient, extinct animals. Can you imagine?
I've never seen a tiger apart from in the zoo, am I bothered? Not really. Will my children(etc) be bothered probably not. Have I ever seen a dodo? No. Bothered? No. I've never been to a rainforest, again I'd probably like to at some point, but it wouldn't really be a blow if it didn't, I mean if you suddenly discovered that there was some sort of foreign habitat that was all gone before you were born, would you suddenly feel a desperate yearning to go and see it? I doubt it.

All this is not to do with global warming either, its to do with human exploitation of land and money, and we can't stop poachers and loggers from poaching and logging by turning off a light bulb.

Animals are becoming extinct all the time always have done always will do. In fact, correction, living things are becoming extinct all the time so that includes bacteria, ameoba and unicellular fungi. I guess you're not so sympathetic towards them? What is really important is biodiversity. There is no evidence to suggest that biodiversity is decreasing but even if it is, that, like climate and everything, ebbs and flows; there have been numerous mass extinctions in the past sometimes 98% of all life dying out in a century but life has always pulled through and creates new biodiversity.

I'm not saying we should'nt worry about poachers, we should and the number of species on the endangered list is increasing, but the number of animal extinctions hasn't really increased much(its hard to say for plants and others) and those few extra extinctions have been caused partly by the natural ebb and flow of biodiversity and partly by other human factors but not global warming.

One of the animals that gets the most attention is the Polar Bear. I shan't rant on about how some animals like the poly, the tiger, the panda etc get so much more attention because their cute, I shall simply point out that since 1970, Polar Bear populations have increased from 5,000 to 25,000, thats a fivefold increase.

Some people seem to think that there is something sacred or something about all animals living at this particular time...um, why?

I shall also point out that temperatures in the past are extremely hard to find exactly and normally different studies differ by several degrees. In the so-called medieval warm period, various studies put the temperature above or below current temperatures. A better way to consider it is this: grapes were grown in this time in the north of England and Scotland which, for you non-brits, is pretty much unheard of today and farmers struggle even in the south. This farming was so wide-spread there are even roads and whole communities built on the proceeds of growing this commodity from medieval times.

Many people emphasise the rate of increase of temperature today. In the past temperatures have risen far faster and been far higher than today. One rise in particular experience a rise of more than 5 degrees in half a century in some places, increasing from a temperature already hotter than today.

Obviously further back you go, the harder it is to determine the temperature, but most studies document changes in temperature at more or less the same time. If you compare these to the more accurate carbon records, you notice that in nearly every case, the temperature rises before the CO2 increases. How can that be? Well when temperatures change, the vast oceans take hundreds if not thousands of years to catch up, because of this, sea temperature lags by about 800 behind air temperature. Oceans contain a lot of CO2 and when the seas warm, they release more CO2 and when they cool they absorb it so when temperatures increase, later CO2 increases. What they didn't tell you in an inconvenient truth is that they moved the graphs around to make them fit.

Since just before the beginning of the industrial revolution, temperatures have been increasing steadily at about the same rate. Strangly though, in the beginning, barely anyone owned a car and there were only a few factories in a few very develped countries yet temperatures were increasing, uniformly, globally at about the same rate as today apart from during the post-war economic boom when hundreds of factories opened and people first had cars widespread and were pumping out tons and tons of CO2, far more than today, because of the dirty coal and oil and the inefficient methods they used. Today, we use far more economically (and ecologically) friendly methods. But during that time, temperatures... dropped. Yes they fell and people were worried then about global cooling and a possible mini-ice age!

Models are notoriously inaccurate and predictions vary wildly and change at the slightest change in figures, the figures being inaccurate anyway. Most models do not take into account solar activity which has been shown to correlate rather better to temperature records. Models are tweaked to give the appearence of drastic warming. Most models have so far been quite wrong in both temperature and CO2 quantities. All predict a higher rate of warming in the troposphere if warming is due to greenhouse gases, all were wrong. Temperatures, as shown by weather balloons, are rising slower if at all in some places.

So why do people do this? Well it starts in government. Governments think they can get more votes by showing they care for the environment and put money into "helping" global warming. They pay scientists to find what thin evidence there is for human-induced warming who do that and scare the public with their "shocking" results. Scientist gets another grant for more "research" from which they conclude... they need more money! See the pattern emerging...? Scientists and government officials work like everyone else: driven by money, influence and power. Supporting global warming due to human CO2 gives them that. The more governments (or the scientists they pay) persuade the public that global warming is all their fault, that it will kill hundreds of people and that polar bears will go extinct, the more the public wants a government thats prepared to put money not into healthcare or education, but into funding the slowing of global warming. For this reason, they can't let contary evidence get out. So they don't grant money to scientists who speak out. Anyone who doesn't believe in global warming by CO2 is virtually branded a heretic preventing open debate and the releasing of all the information to the public who are fed the nonsence that all scientists are at a consensus and there is no evidence against it. They're not, and there is. Other companies are exploiting the situation with the rediculous carbon offsets schemes. Thousands of jobs rely on global warming and its become a world-wide phenomenon. Its like a religion. Just don't get me started on religion...

Don't think I say all this so I'm not guilty, or because I'm lazy or am in denial. I do take steps to reduce my dependence on oil and gas, not because of global warming but because we are going to run out one day and we need time to develop something to replace it.

Also what we really need to do is concentrate on the more pressing issues in the world today: povery, gangs and gun crime, and indeed deforestation, poaching and hunting.
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just wondering, have you read State of Fear?
a lot of what you said is also mentioned in that book. Michael Crichton is my hero :)

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I Don't know if this is a severe case of global warming but, it wont stop raining in south texas. it rained for like 10 days straight, luckily with sunny periods. were i live has excelent drainage but i dont know if it can be held much longer. it may be that melting glaciers are going to the Gulf of mexico, and since it's pretty hot in the middle, Ice>Water> clouds, unfortunatly, it HAS to go somewere so the winds just chuk it up into south texas, but that may be 1/9 of the rain problem because i don't think just a few pieces of glaciers in the gulf can cause one damn of a side road flooding.
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Have you ever seen the movie "The Day after Tomorrow"?

That movie is a great explanation of what may happen to the world if the Global Warming continues, like great storms and a new Ice Age. There are some countries that are doing anything to stop it (like mine) and there are some countries that are doing nothing because they would lose much $$$$$.

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That is CRAP! That is very unrealistic and is rubbish. Its american to the max. It does not happen, that fast. It takes years, actually research this, don't prove things based on sci-fi movies.

I do how-ever support the idea of gloabl warming.

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That is CRAP! That is very unrealistic and is rubbish. Its american to the max. It does not happen, that fast. It takes years, actually research this, don't prove things based on sci-fi movies.

I do how-ever support the idea of gloabl warming.
I didn't say that it would happen that fast, I said that it MAY HAPPEN, but it may take decades or centuries.
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Actually, a new ice age WILL happen because the world's climate runs in cycles thousands of years longs, we're currently in a hot bit, in a few thousand years we will be in a cold bit. Why should global warming directly cause an ice age? Natural climate change yes but not warming.

Incidentally there are also within the long cycles, shorter cycles of a few hundred years causing mini ice ages and warmer periods, for example in the last mini ice age the Thames used to freeze, something unheard of today.

We are merely experiencing the combining effects of both a long and short term warm period.
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Last year I did a science project on Global Warming and I won 1st place. Let's just say Global Warming is not a good thing. If nobody does anything about it our world will go to an end way earlier than we expected. If everyone pitched in and stop polluting and wasting we can stop Global Warming. Did anybody see "An Innocovient Truth"? That movie made me very concerned about our world.


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As I said above, the inconvenient truth moved the two graphs of temperature and CO2 levels so they fitted, in reality, the CO2 rise came on average 800 AFTER the temperature rise and vice versa because the deep oceans take so long to warm up or cool down, so their temperatures lag behind air temperature by that amount and when water is warm it releases dissolved CO2 and more if even warmer, but if it is cool, CO2 is dissolved and none is released and more is absorbed if it is cooler.

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Why should global warming directly cause an ice age?
It can, because I heard of some ocean currents that crosses all the Atlantic Ocean and keeps warm water moving through the Atlantic. But with the Global Warming and the iceberg meltdowns, the sea keeps freezing on some zones and breaks that current, causing an Ice Age. At least is what I heard somewhere, if it is wrong tell me please.
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hate to repeat myself, but I'm going to once again point to the fact that ice is constantly melting and refreezing all over. some icebergs are getting larger, some smaller. Antarctica and Iceland are actually gaining ice. but the reporters don't tell you that. they tell you "the antarcic peninsula is melting" this is true. but they DONT say that the Antarctic peninsula is TWO PERCENT of antarctica, and that the majority of antarctica is actually getting colder.

Last year I did a science project on Global Warming and I won 1st place. Let's just say Global Warming is not a good thing. If nobody does anything about it our world will go to an end way earlier than we expected. If everyone pitched in and stop polluting and wasting we can stop Global Warming. Did anybody see "An Innocovient Truth"? That movie made me very concerned about our world.
could you show me some statistics/points you used? I'd be interested to see them

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Global Warming is a load of rubbish. The Earth has been warming up ever since the last Ice Age. It's natural.
It's not supposed to be warming up this fast at all. It's that attitude, that refusal to take responsibility, that is responsible for this in the first place. Humans are so selfish. No other life form lays such waste to its habitat. It's just plain stupid.
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Incidentally there are also within the long cycles, shorter cycles of a few hundred years causing mini ice ages and warmer periods, for example in the last mini ice age the Thames used to freeze, something unheard of today.
Yes, but the last mini ice age has no current evidence that it was a natural process. Not that I'm countering your statement here. Russian scientists actually predict that there maybe another Ice Age in the 50 years, based on solar cycles. I'm not really sure if this is somehow related to the current increase of global temperature.
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Well, we are due for a new ice age any time now, but what will global warming do to the ice age? What if the Ice Age is weakened by the effects of Global Warming? But in any case, most cars's fuel would freeze, and power plants would be shut down. And since most of the northern hemisphere would be likely to freeze, there would me mass evacuations and crowding of southern cities.

But, anyway as far as Global Warming is concerned, Hurricanes are getting MUCH stronger every year,( which doesn't affect me very much, cuz of where I live( but it's still scary ))I'm afraid it won't snow this year, because we've been getting less and less of it that sticks to the ground every year....

....I wanted to go door-to-door shoveling people's property for money....:(

@ gaz-is-the-best: Then Earth does infact heat up after every ice age, but it has never heated up as fast as it is now.
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@ gaz-is-the-best: Then Earth does infact heat up after every ice age, but it has never heated up as fast as it is now.
proof?
and define "now"
the warming trend in the 1930's was quicker than that of the present decade

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But in any case, most cars's fuel would freeze, ...
Haven't you ever heard of high and low viscosity?
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Yes, but the last mini ice age has no current evidence that it was a natural process.
The last mini ice-age was well before the industrial revolution, so unless humans were having some as yet unpublicised impact on global climate before then, it is definitely a natural process.

You have to imagine the regualar cycles in climate like a sine graph. On the short-term cycles, troughs cause mini ice ages and peaks cause warm periods. On the long-term cycles, troughs cause full blown ice ages and peaks very much warmer periods.

The climate has, overall, been slowly climbing for a long time due to the long term cycle. The climate today can easily be explained by the short-term cycles as the climate during the medieval warm period was the same if not hotter than today. The relatively fast rate of warming is accounted for by the fact that we are also, as well as being on an assent in the short-term cycle, on a very steep part of the long-term graph.

Hurricanes are getting MUCH stronger every year,( which doesn't affect me very much, cuz of where I live
They really aren't... we've had far fewer hurricanes this season than we have for years and years for this time of year.