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Old September 18th, 2007 (5:40 PM).
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Swagger forces switches on SR.
Encore is pretty good, it stops Swords Dancers and DDers, and its effective on walls. But its PP makes it barely useable. Once again, it normally forces switches.

I've never tried Wrap, it should be good to block switches with Swagger.
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So wait, you knock off the opponent's item, encore...okay, now what? They can just switch out you know...so shuckle can only attack with Toxic, wrap, and...swagger? Gengar walls it, which is sad since gengar...never mind. Point is shuckle can't do anything except absorb hits...and if that's ALL you can do, than shuckle is pretty worthless. and if you happen to use wrap on the rapid spinner...
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Old September 18th, 2007 (5:42 PM).
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Apparently you don't understand the term "teamwork".
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The wrap set was named 'Dont use this' by smogon. D:
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Old September 18th, 2007 (5:46 PM).
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It can be effective like this.

Wrap
Stealth Rock
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Toxic

Wrap + Swagger + Toxic is good. When Wrap's effect fades, the opponent will switch, and Stealth Rock comes into effect. Then do it all over again
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Old September 18th, 2007 (5:51 PM).
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Apparently you don't understand the term "teamwork".
Now you are flaming my opinion and knowledge, so please do stop. They are mere opinions...sheesh. And wait, how common is this thing called tauntrados/Tauntdos? Many teams have it, most teams have a shuckle counter that totally walls it, whether or not they care. Skarm, metagross...any steel or poison type, ANY team with a cleric...yeah, shuckle=fail IMO.
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Shuckle just switches out on Tauntrados 0.0
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So then tauntrados gets a free DD, since any good player knows a switch is coming, and then they proceed to sweep the team...anything with taunt eats shuckle.
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Knock Off still does what it was supposed to do. Shuckle is bound to do some "indirect" damage to your opponent anyway.

Oh, you call that flaming? Cute. I was merely addressing your consistent argument about Shuckle not doing direct damage to anything, where you clearly misunderstood my point (which has been there in all of my posts).
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Cute? Well, anybody who thinks shuckle is better than steelix...just no. Knock off, okay, the item is gone, which tangrowth can also do...now what? How does shuckle pose a threat to any team? You have yet to make your point clear.
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Did you notice YOU are the one belittling my point of view? You're closer to flaming than I would ever be with that comment.


Anyway, Shuckle can Stealth Rock / Toxic / Knock Off your opponent's team very well, and it will take its toll sooner or later when your opponent realizes how to deal with Shucle and figure its moveset. Encore will greatly benefit you by causing more switches.
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actually syaoran u seem to be antagonizing him by using manipulation always egging him on......just the opinion of an inoccent bystander so please do not go off on me
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Old September 18th, 2007 (6:29 PM).
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Antagonizing? So I actually HATE Shuckle, and just doing all of this for the kicks. Nice.

I never once mentioned Steelix sucked. Going in this thread and arguing why you shouldn't use Shuckle is the unrespectable thing to do, but it doesn't surprise me you don't think that.
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Old September 18th, 2007 (6:31 PM).
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try a combonation of attakcs.
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Knock Off still does what it was supposed to do. Shuckle is bound to do some "indirect" damage to your opponent anyway.

Oh, you call that flaming? Cute. I was merely addressing your consistent argument about Shuckle not doing direct damage to anything, where you clearly misunderstood my point (which has been there in all of my posts).
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Antagonizing? So I actually HATE Shuckle, and just doing all of this for the kicks. Nice.

I never once mentioned Steelix sucked. Going in this thread and arguing why you shouldn't use Shuckle is the unrespectable thing to do, but it doesn't surprise me you don't think that.
hehe u fell right for my trap, u see anytime someone has an opion of there own u verbally assault them, look at the bold people

anyways in my opinion shuckle is kinda useless but then again i really havent looked into it so yea...
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Old September 18th, 2007 (6:33 PM).
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Oh boy I agree with Anti!Shuckle is/was/always will be a crap poke!The only way you can cause any signifigant damage with him is with the trick Room/Power trick set!yes you can cause a bit of indirect damage with him but he still CANNOT do any signifigant damage to anything without the Trick set!His main purpose is to absorb hits which he rules at but all that does is let your opponent power up and sweep the rest of your team so the bottom line is Shuckle is Crappy as an attacker without the Trick set and that is an extremely risky set!
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hehe u fell right for my trap, u see anytime someone has an opion of there own u verbally assault them, look at the bold people

anyways in my opinion shuckle is kinda useless but then again i really havent looked into it so yea...
How exactly were you being assaulted? Sorry, but Dugtrio does better trapping than you.



Blazikendude, thanks for pointing out what was obvious the entire thread. Shuckle isn't an attacking force. It's a staller, indirect damager, and when used right it won't let your opponent build up on you.


I will add that Encore goes through subs.
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Old September 18th, 2007 (7:05 PM).
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This reminds me of my argument with Mullet...but that's beside the point. Truth is, shuckle is useless, just check out serebii. I mean, indirect damage is still damage, but shuckle can't even use that.

Of course shuckle isn't an attacking force...what I'm saying is that it still has to be able to beat the opponent in some way, not just stall stall stall. Even stallers have some way of inflicting some kind of damage. I don't see how shuckle is a worthy edition to a team...plusle can use encore too ya know...but who uses that?

And if you hate shuckle so much, why defend it? While a few of your points are valid, you are just trying to play mind games with me now...any decent player can tell you...

1. Shuckle<steelix.
2. Shuckle really isn't good, usable, but very bad
3. There are way better mixed walls

Pretty simple. So yeah, shuckle is dirt. It is barely usable, and even the right set doesn't give it much power. Truth is, shuckle can't learn any worthwhile moves except encore and knock off, which other pokemon can pull off too, plus have more power overall.

I'm through in this thread, unless somebody really ticks me off. Really, shuckle is simple, don't use. If you wanna use it, use one of Penguin's sets I guess. So yeah, my point has been made, so off I go...happy now?
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Old September 18th, 2007 (7:12 PM).
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Antagonizing? So I actually HATE Shuckle, and just doing all of this for the kicks. Nice.
You obviously didn't spot the sarcasm there. Haha. <3 Shuckle.

Also, you obviously didn't understand what I meant by "indirect damage". Knocking off your opponent's items is damaging their team, whether you like it or not.

You're still doing what you were doing from the start: advising people not to use Shuckle. How exactly does it contribute to the topic?

I'll end this discussion quoting Smogon.. "Don't fukle with Shuckle".
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IT contributes to the topic because in my honest opinion, shuckle isn't worth using. It's just an opinion, and I advise people not to use shuckle. If people want to, fine by me, I just don't recommed it because of its horrible movepool and such.
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