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Old September 19th, 2007 (8:41 AM).
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Alright, I already have my team pretty much made up. Any help you have for it will be appreciated, but my main concern is my lack of walls or a spinner. If you're going to suggest any walls, I'd prefer them to NOT be Skarm or Bliss. I see too many of those things running around as is, even though they've gotten the recognition they deserve...

Anyways, here goes my team. Tell me who I should replace with walls/spinners and such, and feel free to tweak any remaining Pokes.

Torterra @Leftovers
Bold
252HP/148Attack/108Defense
Leech Seed
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Wood Hammer

Basically Stealth Rock support/Seeder.

Blaziken @Expert Belt
Lonely
252Speed/252Attack/6SpAttack
Sky Uppercut
Flamethrower
Rockslide/Stone Edge
Agility

Mixed sweeper. Flamethrower for Skarm.

Ludicolo @Shell Bell
Timid
252Speed/252SpAttack/6HP
Trait: Swift Swim
Rain Dance
Giga Drain
Surf
Ice Beam

Tyranitar @Muscle Band
Adamant
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Crunch

Breloom @Focus Sash
Jolly
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Spore
Focus Punch
Leech Seed
Seed Bomb

Scyther @Leftovers
Jolly
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Trait: Technician
Swords Dance
Wing Attack/Arial Ace
X Scissors
Substitute

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As you can see, I really don't have much of a spinner (none at all, in fact), and my only semi-wall would be Torterra. Faster Sweepers basically kill me. I've been 5-0ed by a Weavile, I think.

Anyways, please help! Thanks in advanced!
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Old September 19th, 2007 (8:44 AM).
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Bold is a bad Torterra nature-he uses attack. Get Impish if he's a wall. If you really need a wall, try evolving Scyther, though I'm not to sure.
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Fire Weakness like woah. I'm not a fan of Torterra. That Ice-Weakness is scary. If you use Swarm on Scyther and pull off a few Substitutes, it'll make X-Scissor or any other Bug-Type attack scary. Since you have a Seeder in Breloom, I'd remove Ludicolo. From what I understand, Ludicolo is more suited for seeding others and being annoying.

The two walls I was going to suggest are both really weak to Weavile (Gliscor and Tangrowth).
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Old September 19th, 2007 (8:48 AM).
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How bout Dusknoir? Or Steelix.
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How bout Dusknoir? Or Steelix.
I was thinking about it, but who should I get rid of? I know Porygon suggested Ludicolo, but he's probably one of the main reasons I've won any matches. For some reason, and Swift Swimming Ludicolo with Surf has toppled quite a few teams... I was thinking of getting rid of Scyther. He's the one I'm the least pleased with at the moment...
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Old September 19th, 2007 (8:59 AM). Edited September 19th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Fire Weakness like woah. I'm not a fan of Torterra. That Ice-Weakness is scary. If you use Swarm on Scyther and pull off a few Substitutes, it'll make X-Scissor or any other Bug-Type attack scary. Since you have a Seeder in Breloom, I'd remove Ludicolo. From what I understand, Ludicolo is more suited for seeding others and being annoying.

The two walls I was going to suggest are both really weak to Weavile (Gliscor and Tangrowth).
Physical Ice moves dont do much to Tangrowth,its about a 3 or 4 (5HKO without STAB on Ice moves) HKO at best and besides i doubt it will even get to attack you that many times as you have Sleep Support on it.

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252 HP 252 DEF 6 ATT
- Power Whip
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder

Switch in, take a physical hit, and cripple them with Sleep Powder, Leech Seed them and Knock Off items. Power Whip does base 120 damage plus Stab.


EDIT: I agree you do have a very large fire weakness, so please be careful, maybe some pokes need taking out and replacing.
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I agree you do have a very large fire weakness, so please be careful, maybe some pokes need taking out and replacing.
But is there really enough fire Pokes in common play? I understand it's a major weakness, but with TTar and Ludicolo in there, shouldn't that cover it?

Oh, and thanks for the Tangrowth set. I never really thought about it...
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It's not necessary Fire-Type Pokemon you should be worried about. It's more Fire-Type Moves you should be worried about. Fire Blast is abundant to take care of Skarmory, so who's to say that they won't whip it out against your team as well. Either evolve Scyther or get rid of it.

Yeah, I ditzed out on the Physical Ice Moves. :-X
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Old September 19th, 2007 (9:21 AM).
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But is there really enough fire Pokes in common play? I understand it's a major weakness, but with TTar and Ludicolo in there, shouldn't that cover it?

Oh, and thanks for the Tangrowth set. I never really thought about it...
Well there are scary thing running around that have fire Blast, such as Specs Mence and Chain Chomp.(CHAIN CHOMP especially is really really scary)

Ludicolo is good, but Tyranitar would go down to those which i mentioned above , maybe get something that fully resists fire, like a full water type or something, not Partially grass aswell.

and Tangrowth is an amazing pokemon, i was doubtful about it as first aswell, but it really is a fantastic wall/Tank.
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It's not necessary Fire-Type Pokemon you should be worried about. It's more Fire-Type Moves you should be worried about. Fire Blast is abundant to take care of Skarmory, so who's to say that they won't whip it out against your team as well.
A valid point. Didn't really think about it...

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Either evolve Scyther or get rid of it.
I'm leaning towards the latter...
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What about Kingdra? It reallly resists Fire-Type attacks and it's a pretty good Special Sweeper. Agility + Dragon Pulse/Ice Beam + Surf + Hidden Power (Fire). I use that set and it works wonders.
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Old September 19th, 2007 (9:35 AM).
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Hmmm... Kingdra... I'd probably get rid of Scyther for it.

And should I swap out Torterra for Tangrowth? And if I do, should I get another Stealth Rock/Spikes supporter?
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Old September 19th, 2007 (9:42 AM). Edited September 19th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Alright, I already have my team pretty much made up. Any help you have for it will be appreciated, but my main concern is my lack of walls or a spinner. If you're going to suggest any walls, I'd prefer them to NOT be Skarm or Bliss. I see too many of those things running around as is, even though they've gotten the recognition they deserve...

Anyways, here goes my team. Tell me who I should replace with walls/spinners and such, and feel free to tweak any remaining Pokes.

Torterra @Leftovers
Impish
252HP/148Attack/108Defense
Leech Seed
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Wood Hammer

Basically Stealth Rock support/Seeder.

Blaziken @Expert Belt
Lonely
252Speed/252Attack/6SpAttack
Sky Uppercut
Flamethrower
Rockslide/Stone Edge
Agility

Mixed sweeper. Flamethrower for Skarm.

Ludicolo @Leftovers
Bold
252Speed/252SpAttack/6HP
Trait: Swift Swim
Rain Dance
Giga Drain
Surf
Ice Beam

Tyranitar @Leftovers
Adamant
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Crunch

Put Taunt on here for either Stone Edge or Cruch to stop you getting Whirwinded/Roared out once youve Dragon Danced up.


Breloom @Toxic Orb
Jolly
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Spore
Focus Punch
Leech SeedSubstitute
Seed Bomb/Stone Edge

This needs Stone Edge IMO due to its tendency to get walled by ghosts


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Jolly
252Speed/252Attack/6HP
Trait: Swarm
Swords Dance
Agility
X Scissors/Iron Head
Baton Pass


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As you can see, I really don't have much of a spinner (none at all, in fact), and my only semi-wall would be Torterra. Faster Sweepers basically kill me. I've been 5-0ed by a Weavile, I think.

Anyways, please help! Thanks in advanced!

Also if you wish to use Tangrowth, take out Torterra, as it does the same job.

Brellom is Ok but you already have Tyranitar/Blaziken to physical sweep and you dont want to be adding to Tangrowths/Torterra weaknesses with Breloom , also you lack a Special wall.


EDIT : it seems as though you would like a stealth rocker aswell, i normally dont suggest this (as Blissey has much better things to do) but Blissey can learn Staealth Rock and be a Special wall aswell.
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Aslo if you wish to use Tangrowth, take out Torterra, as it does the same job.
Alright. Can do.

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Brellom is Ok but you already have Tyranitar/Blaziken to physical sweep and you dont want to be adding to Tangrowths/Torterra weaknesses with Breloom , also you lack a Special wall.
Yeah. I was figuring my team was a little heavy on the pysical sweeping side... Got any good special walls (other than Blissey) to suggest?


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it seems as though you would like a stealth rocker aswell, i normally dont suggest this but Blissey can learn Staealth Rock and be a Special wall aswell.
I only request Stealth Rocker or Spiker because my last team got laughed out because it lacked one. If you think I can get by without it, I don't NEED it...
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Old September 19th, 2007 (10:03 AM). Edited September 19th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Blissey is Brilliant, but ok if you wish, well theres Cresselia,and as Sims suggested Dusknoir, Milotic can be a mixed wall and can help Tangrowth with the fire weakness, Snorlax, Suicune, there are loads.




May i suggest either take out Ludicolo and replace with Starmie, as you lack a Special Sweeper and to block fire attacks better.It is also good in your case due to scary dragons whom often have fire moves in their arsenal.It also can be a Rapid Spinner.


Kingdra could also be ok, but HP Electic and Rain Dance >> Hp Fire and Agility. Rain Dance boost up speed aswell as upping Surf base power, and Hp Electric is just for coverage.

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252 SPEED 252 SP.ATT 6 HP
- Dragon Pulse/Draco meteor
- Hp Electric
- Ice Beam
- Surf
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