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Old September 20th, 2007 (7:41 PM). Edited September 20th, 2007 by BrainDamage.
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the last board went completely unnoticed. AGAIN. and apparently,the site has recently figured out how to automatically merge your posts, so i couldnt double post, so no i have to make a new thread. my old one will be pushed off the list soon. here we go again:

CURRENT IDEAS BEING JUGGLED:
1. Replacing Weavile with Electivire: strong possibility
2. Using Pinsir as my 6th poke:
-Mold Breaker ability
-moves: EQ, X-Scissor, Close Combat, Swords dance/Stone edge


ok. heres 5/6 of my team:

Weavile @Life Orb (physical sweeper)
jolly: 252 atk, 252 spd 6 hp
night slash
ice punch
brick break
Aerial Ace

standard weavile: self explanitory

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serene grace
Timid: 252spatk 252 spdef 6 hp
air slash
aura sphere
thunder wave
roost

paraflincher/ special wall for extra support

Gengar @ choice specs (special sweeper)
Timid
252 Satk/252 Spd/6 Hp
T-bolt
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Energy Ball

pretty standard gengar,Energy ball to cover swampert, or other bulky ground or water types

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Bold: 158 hp 252 def 100 Spdef
Hypnosis
recover
ice beam
surf

mixed wall milotic. no, i dont want restalking.

Steelix @ macho brace (physical wall)
Relaxed
252 hp, 172 def. 86 atk
SR
stone edge
EQ
gyro ball

pretty standard here. SR- "steelix is a horrible stealth shuffler dude!" "too bad. hes not shuffling any one. just SR'ing, so shut up", gyro ball is self explanitory, EQ for general coverage.

for my six poke, i am not sure what to do any more. I need a rapid spinner, (unless aomeone else has a good arguement otherwise) but im not sure anymore. the ones rounded out are donphan, torkoal, and forretress.) I seriously doubt that i can fit a rapid spinner in there without having to drop someone else because the pokes that learn rapid spin dont meet hte rest of the requirements i need. suggestions? my current idea is claydol or starmie, but that would be a third poke that would have a boltbeam weakness....hitmontop sounded interesting but people shot down that theory. Another thing htat sounded interesting that i thought of is replacing milotic with suicune (calm mind moveset)
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If you wanted a Rapid Spinner, then this is standard:

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252 HP, 152 Atk, 106 Def or, for more defense: 252HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Rapid Spin
Ice Shard/Stone Edge - Lean towards Ice Shard, helps with Dragons slightly.
Earthquake
Bulk Up/Knock off/Stealth Rock/Roar


Has good attack, so can be used as a lower strength Physical Sweeper if needed, but Rapid Spin is there for the reasons outlined by you.

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that poke also has bolt-beam weakness. making my boltbeam-weak pokes 3. Every rapid spinner has a bolt-beam weakness except for forretress, torkoal, and the hitmon family. the only of these 3 that are a type that would balance my team are the hitmons, but, i need a physical-base poke, and all three of them are attack/sp. def when i need them to be defense. in this case, forretress and torkoal would work, but they are weak to ground, and i dont want more than one ground-weak poke considering EQ is the most commonly used attack in competitive battling. So im essentially screwed unless i ditch someone else
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Almost all have weakness....lol

Blastoise is another option, but the weakness is still there.

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Old September 20th, 2007 (7:55 PM).
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I considered that, but i would have to replace milotic, which actually works, but I havent worked out the details, and blastoise is a limited for any attacking power at all if i need to put all hte EVs into HP, Def, and Sp Def
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How about an Electivire to take advantage of people using electric attacks on Milotic?

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ground weakness again. :\ :\
although not any of the criteria im REALLY looking for, Pinsir sounded interesting to me
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Old September 20th, 2007 (8:04 PM). Edited September 20th, 2007 by Ársa.
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Foretress as Rapid Spinner then? 4x weakness to fire, but other than that, is good.

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EDIT: With speed boost from electricity, Electivire should be able to outrun most threats and use Ice Punch to great effect...
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i've already crossed that out. (*cough* ground weakness *cough*). there is absolutely no rapid spinner suitable for my team without me having to replace someone. I know that for sure.

Edit: that maybe, but electivires just another OU poke....which im trying to avoid for my sixth poke. unless i were to replace weavile for electivire, and add someone else, im not sure id do that. i just dont really like electivire- it just looks funny. and im slightly anal-retentive. I loved electabuzz, but electivire is just retarded
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yes, but with the best move set, vire can have 13 of 17 types covered to super effectiveness, and with the speed boost, it is very deadly...

And you're right, without taking something out, a rapid spinner is not an option.

Stealth Rock is only a small problem for Togekiss and Weavile, while spikes takes Weavile and Steelix to the cleaners. lol

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i dont completely remember the moveset- which move am i forgetting:
-cross chop
-thunder punch
-ice punch
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Earthquake, although sometimes thunderbolt over Thunderpunch for the Skarmory wall, and you would then need 56 EV's in sp. atk to pull it off.

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Lonely
252 Attack, 56 Sp. Atk, 202 Speed

Ice punch
Thunderbolt
Earthquake
Cross Chop

otherwise, if with Thunderpunch, no EV's sp. atk, max atk and speed + 6 HP ev's.

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I thought it was EQ. just wasnt positive. yeah- i know the EV set and item generally used. basic predictable electivire. I'll have to look through and see my type coverages again and compare and see if that could work... what are your thoughts on Pinsir? that, although not in accordance to the criteria im really looking for, it sounds interesting as a tank...
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Don't know much on pinsir, but I would use it like this:

move 1: X-Scissor
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Flail/Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf

nature: Adamant
EVs: 252atk/24def/232spd


383 attack and 396 speed are nothing to sniff at. Hyper Cutter ensures that in-switching Gyarados and Salamence eat a fully powered attack as Intimidate fails. Both are severely crippled by Stone Edge. Flail is useful as residual damage cumulates. On the other hand, Mold Breaker will allow Pinsir to Earthquake Gengar, and nullify Rhyperior's Solid Rock; though Close Combat still will not 2HKO the most defensive max/max Impish ones.
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Im thinking something like this for pinsir:
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Impish: (some mix of atk, def, and HP)
MOLD BREAKER
EQ
Close Combat
X-Scissor
Swords Dance

P.S. EQ will also take out those stupid bronzongs
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Don't know much on pinsir, but I would use it like this:

move 1: X-Scissor
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Flail/Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf

nature: Adamant
EVs: 252atk/24def/232spd


383 attack and 396 speed are nothing to sniff at. Hyper Cutter ensures that in-switching Gyarados and Salamence eat a fully powered attack as Intimidate fails. Both are severely crippled by Stone Edge. Flail is useful as residual damage cumulates. On the other hand, Mold Breaker will allow Pinsir to Earthquake Gengar, and nullify Rhyperior's Solid Rock; though Close Combat still will not 2HKO the most defensive max/max Impish ones.

did you see this?????

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yes, i had seen it. I was just thinking it to be more of a tank. and who were you talking about with 396 speed?

EDIT: the point of pinsir is that it balances out my weaknesses, but i have yet to figure out it will balance out my strengths

EDIT EDIT: continue to post suggestions. I have to go for tonight
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For Starters, don't use Suicune, It may be just me, but I hate the use of legendaries, Milotic is fine, and it will draw more electric attacks than suicune, if you intend on using Electivire.

Pokemon for Consideration:

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Lonely/Jolly
252 Attack, 202 Speed, 56 Sp. Atk

Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake

or

252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Thunderpunch
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move 1: X-Scissor
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Close Combat
move 4: Flail/Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf

nature: Adamant
EVs: 252atk/24def/232spd


I see the use of Gengar, but I think this is better, and provides better type coverage:

[email protected] Belt
Modest/Mild
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Def

HP Ice
psychic
Focus Blast
Flamethrower/WoW

or, if you have a worry of Chansey, substitute 56 speed EV's for Attack, and chuck in Focus Punch over Focus Blast.

I will add more later.

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one thing is for sure, i cant put in BOTH magmortar and electivire. Im 90% sure I'm replacing Weavile with electivire because of weavile's weakness to many common types (although a weakness to ground is a big negative), but Electivire without speed boost is 75% of the speed of weavile, in exchange for 3 more attack and 2 more defense than weavile
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Pinsir's a tank and still much superior to Heracross in my mind. CS is definately recommeded and effective on Pinsir but if you want to run it with Swords Dance, I'd use Muscle Band.


And stick with Milotic as only special, Steelix makes up more than enough in the pysical departement.

And for a sixth pokemon, I can see the likes of a good Ice type working out for you. Say like Glaceon or Mamoswine. I had some other ideas but that bolt beaming weakness you so worried about is hard to avoid sometimes.

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Steelix makes up more than enough in the pysical departement.
Not if Gyarados uses DD a couple times and uses aqua tail. although pinsir could keep him at bay perhaps

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First off, with a few DD's, a Pinser damn sure can't stop Gya.
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well no, but electivire aides taking out Gya as well...

EDIT: I dont remember, is Electivire run on adamant or jolly with thunder punch moveset (as in, not T-bolt).
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with a couple DD's not much will stop Gyarados. and a Steelix should be able to Stone Edge a Gyarados to death before it gets enough DD strength.
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Yes I've done the math a while ago, steelix can survive a 2 DD'd aqua tail
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