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Old September 20th, 2007 (9:30 PM). Edited September 21st, 2007 by luke.
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[email protected] Life Orb
Nature: Modest
Ability: Suction Cups/Sniper
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SPATK / 4 DEF

- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
- Thunder Wave

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Nature: Careful
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 116 SPDEF / 136 ATK

- Mach Punch
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace

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Nature: Timid
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SPD / 4 SPATK

- Thunderbolt
- Hypnosis
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass

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Nature: Adamant
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 SPD

- Return
- Focus Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute

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Nature: Rash
Ability: Rivalry
EVs: 244 SPD/164 SP ATK/100 ATK

- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Claw

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EVs: 252 HP / 212 DEF / 40 SPATK

- Energy Ball
- Counter
- Leech Seed
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Old September 20th, 2007 (10:07 PM).
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Weezing is OU..

I personally prefer Life Orb'd techinican Hitmontop, with Fake Out and Mach Punch. Very deadly if played correctly.

Fake Out, Mach Punch, Rapid Spin, and either Earthquake / Stone Edge / Aerial Ace / Toxic.

As for Shiftry, I dunno why you give it Focus Sash.. IMO Focus Sash is only good for stat ups and the likes... but when the pokemon doesn't have anything that might guarantee at least 1 kill on his moveset, there's no point in using Focus Sash (especially if your Shiftry also carries Leech Seed).

<3 Drifblim, probably my fav ghost.. as for the moveset, you might wanna give him Hypnosis and Charge Beam, because sleep is almost always good, and stat ups from Charge Beam will be awesome to Baton Pass. You should give it a Salac berry or any berry that you see useful for your team to baton pass.

Hypnosis, Charge Beam, Shadow Ball / Substitute, Baton Pass.
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Old September 20th, 2007 (10:10 PM).
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Alright. Who should I use as a Physical Wall then. I hadn't seen Weezing in a battle yet, so I thought it was UU. I like your suggestions for the others. Drifblim is my favorite too!
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Old September 20th, 2007 (11:40 PM).
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Cloyster makes a good UU physical wall (180 Base Def), just make sure to keep him away from Special attacks...

Spiker/Rapid Spinner too

Only problem is he lacks a recovery move (excluding Rest)
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Weezing and Tauros. Obviously OU.

Drifblim, Unburden only kicks in after a held item is used. So you'd probably want to slap on some random berry or some sort.
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Old September 21st, 2007 (4:59 AM).
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Just a note: I don't know who's tiers you people are going by, my stuff goes by Defender tiers.

Hypno or Cradily are effective UU physical walls. Weezing is OU and Tauros BL, so they don't go on a UU team. Try using Fearow or Persian for a fast CBer in UU. Also Tauros doesn't get Stone Edge iirc. Cloyster is BL as well.

Don't use Stockpile on Driftblim, go with Calm Mind over it. And slap a Salac Berry or a Petaya Berry on it. This way when you use it, you get to pass off an extra speed boost.

Take Focus Sash off Shiftry. Shiftry's probably better to use as a Nasty Plot user. It gets Energy Ball and Dark Pulse to use with it too.

As far as walls go, check into Lotuses. I use them on most of my teams now, and generally they are just as strong as a straight wall like Cradily. For a physical wall, most are Curse-based and use Rest because only a select few physical walls get good recovery moves.
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Old September 21st, 2007 (5:15 AM).
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Oh, well I went by some Tier list someone gave me that they found on the Nintendo Forums. So I wasn't sure.
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Old September 21st, 2007 (5:22 AM).
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Tauros is OU. Props for using Octillery though, an underrated special attacker with quite a varied movepool (including a Fire move!).
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Old September 21st, 2007 (6:00 AM).
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Ability: Scrappy
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 SPD / 252 ATK / 4 HP

Return
Earthquake
Sucker Punch
Brick Break

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EVs: 252 HP / 100 SPDEF / 152 DEF / 4 ATK

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Noob question alert: What's a Lotus? X.X;
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Old September 21st, 2007 (6:07 AM).
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I think lotus refers to Lotad,Lombre,and Ludicolo.
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Ludicolo = OU, thanks

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Earthquake
Sucker Punch
Brick Break
IMO just make her a RestTalker. Movepool is FAR too limited.
EDIT: Or even better, make her into a SubPuncher.
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I prefer Endreving Kangaskhan. After a Salac, you're talking well over 400 speed, more than enough for the UU metagame. First strike moves are the only problem.
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Yeah, I was going to make her a Subpuncher. I'm surprised her move pool is so terrible. X.x; By the way, what is a Lotus?
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Randomly weird, i tried to make kanghanstan a sub-puncher, but... anyway try using Brick Break?
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Old September 21st, 2007 (8:50 AM).
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EV Spread: 252 ATK / 188 HP / 68 SPDEF

Rock Slide
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Old September 21st, 2007 (10:15 AM).
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yes! OcSpecs! twave is interesting. mine has energy ball for other waters, but i dunno, maybe twave is nice. i just wouldn't use octillery as your starter.

kangaskhan has an awesome movepool, especially if you consider the elemental punches. although my kanga doesn't have any elemental punches, she still sweeps.

shiftry.. oh man, what a bad poke XD. i'd go back to Focus Sash so that it can take a hit, set leech seed, and recover some hp for that turn. then i'd get rid of nasty plot and replace it for protect so you can ward in some more hp. finally, replace energy ball for focus blast or explosion. i'd prefer explosion on such a rancid thing XD. honestly, i'd just give him choice scarf as a mixed sweeper. you could really use someone other than hitmonchan for a speedy ttar/weavile kill, ghost killer, starmie finisher, and most of all, heracross killer! im shocked you didn't give hitmontop aerial ace as it needs to hit ghosts AND fighting types with a 90 base flying attack. anywho, here's what i suggest for shiftry (teehee, more like ****ry ._.):

Shiftry @ Choice Scarf
Mild Nature (+Sp Atk, -Def)
252 SPD/180 SP ATK/76 ATK
-Leaf Storm/Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Aerial Ace/Explosion/Rock Slide/Hidden Power Ice or Fire
-Brick Break/Explosion/Rock Slide/Hidden Power Ice or Fire

yep. not the strongest but it definitely will do worthy damage.

hitmontop -- i'd give it less special defense evs (maybe around 116) and put the rest into attack. the issue is that he can take hits very well with max hp, but he can't even hit ghosts with that moveset. go with pursuit, or aerial ace. pursuit is preferred as you can do some free damage to blissey and the like before they switch out. as a rapid spinner, i wouldn't suggest giving him fake out. more than one normal type move is just a mistake waiting to occur.

eh, i'm not too sure about drifblim without hypnosis. it really wants it to get in as many cms as it can. otherwise, it's just an open target for phazers and the like.

the issue about subpunching kanga is that she gets walled by... well, walls. if only her special attack was like 65 base, she could really pull off sub punch with Fire Blast/Flamethrower for physical walls.

if you do decide to go with sudo, don't go with impish and def don't give it sp def evs. just go with adamant and give it as many HP evs as you can as 115 base def is very cooperative with max hp. sudowoodo also has the elemental punches, so Ice Punch is definitely something you should consider to get a good laugh at incoming physical walls. suckerpunch is also a decent option as it allows you to use him as a last resort against something like gengar or starmie. XD it's strange that it has calm mind and yet no special attack options.
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Yes. I kind of threw Shiftry in there because I wanted a Leech Seeder. And he was the most appealing one I could find. I meant to switch Fake Out to Aerial Ace on Hitmontop but I forgot. The only problem with the Elemental Punches is that I left my Emerald at home and I'm 40 minutes away. I'll throw Hypnosis in there instead of Charge Beam. With CM being used, Charge Beam's effect is kinda useless I guess. What do you suggest for Kangaskhan without access to Wifi/Emerald at the moment? Maybe I'll use Meganium instead of Shiftry, giving myself a cleric?
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eh i'm not a fan of clerics. the idea of clerics has fallen out this gen. wasting one-three turns just to get rid of status is very costly. but i suppose it's up to you. if you do decide to go with Meganium, maybe you should use it for leech seed instead of Shiftry as it is much more bulkier and has a way of recovering. also, counter on meganium is pretty awesome.

hitmontop could use lum berry tho. not having guts, it attracts all kind of status.
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protect or, if you prefer, synthesis for the last slot. my meganium has 252 HP/252 DEF. it may not need THAT many def evs, but better safe than sorry.
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I need a Kangaskhan revamp. I don't want her walled by walls. -.-; Remember, I can't use Elemental Punches right now.
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lol well it's going to get walled by walls regardless. it doesn't have enough special attack to do crazy damage like Tyraniboah.

you can just use it for choice band and completely forget about sudo. fake out + scrappy + CB + STAB always does impressive damage. my kanga is CB, so i can at least give you some assurance that it is quite effective for taking care of things that attempt to kill it off and not wall it.
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I'm not good on who fits into what tier, so I can't say who I'd like to suggest replace Sudowoodo. I'd prefer somebody who can dish out some damage and handle what Kangaskhan can't.
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handle? kangaskhan does have an advantage if you take dual bulkiness and scrappy into consideration. remember, sudowoodo is weak to 5 types of moves while kangaskhan one, and it makes up for it with STAB CB fake out.
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I know. I want to replace Sudowoodo. I tried to prevent too much of a Type vulnerability, but I'm not the best at pointing out every weakness. Is there something I need to cover up a weakness my team has?
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