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Old September 23rd, 2007 (2:16 AM).
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One of my favourite, and underrated poison types is Muk. With a reasonable attack and quite nice defences, it can probably become a bit more useful in the D/P generation. I'm just wondering your thoughts on Muk.

One of the ideas I'm toying wiith looks like this:

Muk @ Toxic Orb/Choice Band/Life Orb
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EV: 252 HP / 252 Att / 6 SpDef
Trait: Sticky Hold
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Any thoughts on how to improve this?
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Old September 23rd, 2007 (2:31 AM).
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One of my favourite, and underrated poison types is Muk. With a reasonable attack and quite nice defences, it can probably become a bit more useful in the D/P generation. I'm just wondering your thoughts on Muk.

One of the ideas I'm toying wiith looks like this:

Muk @ Toxic Orb/Choice Band/Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 HP / 252 Att / 6 SpDef
Trait: Sticky Hold
Fire Punch
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Explosion

Any thoughts on how to improve this?
Shadow Ball
Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt should be the set. With Rash Nature.
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Ah, Mixmuk. That'll be worth trying for Skarmbliss death. His SpAtt isn't too shabby either.

EV suggestion for Mixmuk - HP 252 (it can do 101 subs IIRC) / Att 64 / 194 SpAtt
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Old September 23rd, 2007 (5:45 AM).
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Why Shadow Ball instead of Shadow Punch?
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Old September 23rd, 2007 (6:02 AM).
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Greater power, for one thing, I'd have thought. Although most psychics tend to have lower Defence stats.
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And Muks Atk is bigger than it's Special Atk. And it never fails, so it can be a nice way to counter Froslass in Hail.
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And Muks Atk is bigger than it's Special Atk. And it never fails, so it can be a nice way to counter Froslass in Hail.
But Froslass is completely rare to see, and after all, it is just one UU Pokemon
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Shadow Punch seems to be a better option for him, then.

Might need to fix those EVs a bit though.
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Muk is also an UU pokemon. And UU special wall. And one of the most common special sweepers is Froslass - on Shoddy battle I've seen UU teams with Froslass 1/3 of the time.
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Old September 23rd, 2007 (6:20 AM).
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Muk may be UU, but I'm aiming to use him in an OU environment. Hence the Skarmbliss killer. Frosslass is quite frail anyway
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Still, Psychic Pokémons usually raise their Special Defense with Calm Mind, so Shadow Punch is still cooler. But it's up to you to choose.
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Um. Just a suggestion, maybe Acid Armor/Curse can be in place of Shadow Ball? But then it's a decesion of wheater, Type Coverage, or Bulkiness. It can be a Tank, can't it? (With Curse, I think so, as it matches the description).
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Yeah, I could make it a Cursemuk, but I want to try something different.

Now, another thought crosses my mind - Thunderbolt or Flamethrower? Which would be more useful?
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Yeah, I could make it a Cursemuk, but I want to try something different.

Now, another thought crosses my mind - Thunderbolt or Flamethrower? Which would be more useful?
I'd say Fire Blast would be the best, to take out something like Skarmory (if the need arises). His Special Attack is nothing to be proud of, so you'll want that extra boost, if minus the accuracy.

Focus Punch and Substitute work nice on him, since he can make 101 Subs (taking two Seismic Toss/Night Shades to break).

And the last move can be something like Shadow Sneak, to surprise any Alakazam or Gengar coming in to spoil your fun. Explosion can work too, but on a whole I generally disprove of those kinds of moves. But it's up to you!
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I was thinking about Shadow Sneak, but I'd prefer the higher power of Shadow Punch.

So, I think we've ended up with:

Muk @ Black Sludge
Nature: Quiet
EV: 252 HP / 68 Att / 190 SpAtt
Trait: Sticky Hold
Shadow Punch
Focus Punch
Substitute
Fire Blast

I'm quite happy with that now. I just wish Muk would get a better trait choice.
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I'm not sure if muk can know ice punch but it counters groudon and other ground types.
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Muk can get the punches from Emerald Move Tutors. However, there's no point, since a nice Focus Punch in the face will do just as much damage.

Ice Punch = 75 base damage x 2 (super effective) = 150
Focus Punch = 150 base damage = 150

As you can see, no point in giving Muk Ice Punch. Besides, there are much better ways of beating Ground types than that.
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good point but why sub punch?
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good point but why sub punch?
Skarmblis killer...and groudon? Why counter that? It's uber...
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thanks but thunder punch kills skarm and bliss.
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Skarm can take a Thunderpunch easily and give you a Roar.
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Heh, not really. Skarm can easily wall physical Electric attacks with Roost, and even Blissey can shrug off the damage from Thunderpunch assuming Bold and max Defence (which almost all Blissey tend to have).
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dude that's saying skarm could wall a focus punch.
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Skarmory can wall a Focus Punch. From Muk, Focus Punch is doing on average about 32-35% damage. FPunch is for hurting Blissey, that's why Muk needs Fire Blast to pick on Skarm's lower SpDef.
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I'm working a Curse muk
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Gunk Shot / Poison Jab
move 3: Brick Break / Fire Punch / Shadow Punch
move 4: Explosion
item: Black Sludge
ability: Sticky Hold
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpDef
 

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