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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:37 PM).
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[email protected] sash
adamant
252 att/252 spd
dd
firefang
eq
dragon claw

lead poke(one time i was able to get 3DDs in) O_O

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128 hp/252 def/128 spdef
icebeam
surf
hypnosis
recover

sleep annoyer/bulky waterr

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sassy
6 hp/252 def/252 sp def
curse
shadowpunch(for stab, sucks against normals but i have curse)
rest
meanlook

healer/aromatherapist/wall killer basically

once dusknoir does his job umbreon comes out

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252 hp/252 def/6 spd
toxic
meanlook
wish
hp grass

takes care of bulky water/donphan O_o

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adamant
252 hp/252 att/6 spd
explosion
thunder punch
meteor mash
earthquake

back up sweeper to clean things up

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252 spd/252 spatt
nasty plot
triattack
tbolt
ice beam

should be able to get a nasty plot in after milotic/umbreon do their job
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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:39 PM).
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I prefer pory Z scarfed, but w/e. consider stone edge and AA on Mence.
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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:40 PM).
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Thats Quite a team You got there pal..
Perhaps for the back up sweeper, u may include
Electivire/Magmortar..

But Your Teamz Good Enuf..

8/10:D

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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:41 PM).
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i like metagross because it kinda doubles as a tank/sweeper ;)
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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:42 PM).
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i like metagross because it kinda doubles as a tank/sweeper ;)
Your metagross is a tank. Agiligross is more like a tank/sweeper...I actually recommend it over your current set.
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Old September 26th, 2007 (6:46 PM).
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Ew, crappy Milotic EVs.

252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk or 148 HP / 240 Def / 120 SAtk

The first set is more defensive, but only the second set can OHKO Garchomp.

That Dusknoir sucks, not only its EVs, but the entire concept behind it.
*Don’t ever put Curse on Ghost types. You don’t want your enemy to kill you easily. It doesn’t matter if you can guarantee 25% damage every turn. Ghosts have way better things to do. Plus, Dusknoir has crap HP, so when you take away half of it, it's pretty easy to finish off.
*As for the EVs, If you want to make a Pokemon defensive and that Pokemon's base HP is lower than their base Defense or Sp. Defense, then you should always Max out HP first. You'll take less damage by putting EVs into a low HP than a high defense.

Umbreon won't do crap to Bulky Waters or Donphan with its low Sp. Attack. They're not gonna stay in either. Don't even bother.

Don't use Wise Glasses. The power increase is too small and it will barely make a difference. If you want a Special Attack boosting item, use Life Orb/Choice Specs.

Also, it's obvious that Trainer17 doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Old September 27th, 2007 (5:55 PM).
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well i have toxic and mean look on umbreon to help wear those waters/donphan down =/

i went with cursetrapping on dusknoir cuz of the 1/4 hp loss every turn instead of just WoWing...and i wasnt sure if it was more effective to use rest or painsplit O_O

(it gets rid of blissey and milotic sometimes)
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Old September 27th, 2007 (5:58 PM).
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well i have toxic and mean look on umbreon to help wear those waters/donphan down =/

i went with cursetrapping on dusknoir cuz of the 1/4 hp loss every turn instead of just WoWing...and i wasnt sure if it was more effective to use rest or painsplit O_O
Nonononononononononononononononono. umbreon ONLY works as a BPer...period. Toxic fails, period. Aromatherapy blissey is running around everywhere...yeah.

WoW isn't for the damage, it's for the attack drop. Curse is fail on ghosts, unless you are REALLY into novelty sets.

Pain split>>>>>>>rest. Noir doesn't have the HP to use rest well...and umbreo nisn't meant to take on bulky waters...
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Old September 27th, 2007 (6:50 PM).
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Nonononononononononononononononono. umbreon ONLY works as a BPer...period. Toxic fails, period. Aromatherapy blissey is running around everywhere...yeah.
I disagree! Umbreon does the best Toxi-stalling out there, and if you can play it right it can be highly useful. Actually, Punishment runs a Toxi-Stalling Umbreon, and caught me off guard with it. So it's very possible to play it with success. Unless you have a strong Fighting Pokemon on your team, Umbreon can massacre you (granted no Steel types, too).

Actually, the EVs for your Metagross makes it the perfect candidate for a Choice Band Metagross. It's a Pokemon that kills everything it sees, and goes out with a bang. However, if you want him to "clean up" for you, your best bet is Choice Scarf and possibly a Jolly nature, since Metagross is too slow (without Agility) to really clean anything up. And while he may be bulky, any kind of Earthquake seriously hinders his tankability.
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Old September 28th, 2007 (6:31 AM).
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Very true...I still think toxic isn't good...agreed, it can inflict a major hurt on somebody, but it is too unreliable for me. With so many steels running around, and not to mention heal bellers, especially bliss, it really nulifies toxic's power...but granted, it has the potential to be good. I prefer confuse ray on umbreon, since the foe can't escape...but yeah.
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Old September 28th, 2007 (6:45 AM).
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I dont like Fire Fang on Salamence, it does Squat to Skarmory, even if you are able do DD up so you can actually do moderate damage to it, its just going to Whirlwind you away. So go for the OHKO on it.

252 ATT 252 SPEED 6 SP.ATT/HP

Lonely/Naive/Hasty Nature > Adamant and Fire Blast > Fire Fang Please.
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