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Old September 30th, 2007 (10:08 AM).
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Yeah, it's been awhile but my last team hasn't won me much. So I thought off this:


1. [email protected] Orb
Nature: Brave
EV: 252 Attack/HP
Ability: No Guard
1. Dynamic Punch
2. Stone Edge
3. Ice Punch
4. Fire Blast

Before you ask why Fire Blast, YOU MUST LOOK HERE, BECAUSE I WILL IGNORE COMMENTS SAYING TO TAKE IT OUT, SO YOU MUST LOOK AT IT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29513Anyway, Dynamic Punch=STAB, Stone Edge for Gyardos, Ice Punch for Dragons.


2. [email protected] Band
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 Attack/Speed
1. Return
2. Brick Break
3. Ice Punch
4. Thunder Punch

Choice Sweeper. Reaches 377 Attack. Return=STAB, Brick Break for Normals, Thunderpunch for Gyarados and Flying, Ice Punch for Dragons,


3. [email protected] Orb
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 Attack/Speed
1. Earthquake
2. Ice Fang
3. Crunch
4. Stone Edge

EQ is the only reason I kept Aerodactyl instead of Weavile. It's basically a faster Weavile.


4. [email protected]
Nature: Calm
EV: 188 HP/252 Sp Def/69 SP Attack
1. Surf
2. Baton Pass
3. Acid Armor
4. Wish

Passes down Acid Armor and is Wish Support. Special Wall.


5. [email protected]
Nature: Impish
EV: 252 Def/HP
1. Roost
2. Aerial Ace
3. Eathquake
4. Stealth Rock

Physical Wall/SR layer/Heracross Counter. SR up, and Roost to heal


6. [email protected]
Nature: Timid
EV: 252 Sp Attack/Speed
1. Psychic
2. Shadow Ball
3. Grass Knot
4. Focus Blast

Standard Zam/Special Sweeper.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (10:10 AM).
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You realize that lopunny's return does more to normal types than brick break? And even after reading the smogon thing, I still lol at machamp with fire blast. You'll need to give it a few special attack EVs to do anything to skarm.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (10:23 AM).
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You must also lol at ToyMences too.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (10:25 AM).
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You must also lol at ChainChomps too.
No, garchomp has 80 base SpA, vs. Machamp's 65. bigger difference than you'd think. Plus, chainchomp actually has quite a bit of SpA EVs, where your machamp has none. That is why I loled at that set.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (10:38 AM).
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True, but would you leave Skarm in after a Fire Blast anyway? Drill Peck won't OHKO Champ, one Fire Blast does more than 50% damage.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:05 AM).
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True, but would you leave Skarm in after a Fire Blast anyway? Drill Peck won't OHKO Champ, one Fire Blast does more than 50% damage.
With no EVs? you sure? Skarm w/ max HP...you sure? It just seems too novelty for me. I don't see it working.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:08 AM).
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Did you read the link? It says so.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:11 AM).
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Did you read the link? It says so.
Not thoroughly...But I still think there are far better options for machamp. Keep it if you wish, but I wouldn't advise it.

Aero and lopunny do the same thing really...I wouldn't advise using lopunny either. Consider Choice specs on Zam.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:16 AM).
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Meh why can't people read before judging it. But yeah, Aero/Punny do the exact same thing. I want to take off Aero (NOT Lopunny). Would Gyarados or Metagross be better? I don't want to use a Dragon, since that will 2 Pokemon with 4x Ice weakness.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:18 AM).
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Uh...Areo is better, but okay, keep lopunny. Still, all those attacks, even being supereffective,. don't do as much damage as STABed return. Anyways...Agiligross is one of the best physical attackers I've used, maybe use it?
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:21 AM).
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Yes, Metagross since I don't have a spinner to support it's SR weakness. I also just looked, and if I replace Aerodactyl with Metagross, I none of my Pokemon are 2x weak to each type (except Gliscor whose 4x Ice weak, and only Poke weak to Ice).
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:23 AM).
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[email protected]*insert good item here* (maybe lefties?)
adamant
EVs: asking me for an EV spread? I don't advise that either
~Thunderpunch
~EQ
~Meteor Mash
~Agility

At least I remembr the moveset...
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:27 AM).
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Yeah that seems like a good AgiliGross set. I also replaced Brick Break for Fire Punch (on Lopunny) against Steels and such, Return does more than SE Brick Break (not STAB').

I will use Leftovers and this EV Spread: 252 Attack/104 Speed/154 HP, gets at least 400 Speed after one Agility.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:30 AM).
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Hahahahahaha! My rain dance kingdra outspeeds it :D But yeah, BB actually hurts steels more than return, since return is "not very effective" against steels...but fire punch works, and hits forry, scozor, and the psychic/steel types harder.
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:53 AM).
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Darn Kingdra :(. Also, since Metagrss is on and Aero is out, what would be a better lead?
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Old September 30th, 2007 (11:54 AM).
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I haven't the faintest clue. Perhaps lopunny? It sure would surprise people...
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