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Old September 30th, 2007 (12:58 PM). Edited September 30th, 2007 by Jimmyray.
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Hey people, I've finally constructed a definate team that I wanna use on PBR when it comes out in the U.K. So feel free to critisize and compliment - which ever you feel necessary :p

Umbreon (ShadowCat)@ Leftovers
Careful
252 Sp.Defence 252 Defense 6 HP
Synchronize
Subsitute
Swagger
Toxic
Moonlight

Weavile (DarkWeasel)@Life Orb
Adamant
252 Speed 252 Attack 6 HP
Pressure
Aerial Ace
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash

Gliscor (ToxicFury)@Shell Bell
Adamant
252 Attack 252 Defense 6 Speed
Sand Veil
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Fire Fang
X Scissor

Togekiss (SkyTitan)@Leftovers
Bold
252 Sp.Attack 121 Defense 121 Sp.Defense 6 HP
Serene Grace
Thunder Wave
Roost
Aura Sphere
Air Slash

Swampert (SwamPerv)@Leftovers
Impish
252 Attack 252 Defense 6 Sp.Defense
Torrent
Curse
Stealth Rock
Avalanche
Earthquake

Magmortar (HotRampage)@Choice Specs
Timid
252 Sp.Atatck 252 Speed 6 HP
Flame Body
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Confuse Ray

Thanks for your ratings in advance ;D

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225 HP, 252 Def, 6 SpD
~Taunt/Toxic/Confuse Ray
~Wish (>moonlight BTW)
~Baton Pass
~Mean Look

The only umbreon set that really works. Swagger is setting up umbreon to fail.

EDIT: Gliscor has sandstream?
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225 HP, 252 Def, 6 SpD
~Taunt/Toxic/Confuse Ray
~Wish (>moonlight BTW)
~Baton Pass
~Mean Look

The only umbreon set that really works. Swagger is setting up umbreon to fail.

EDIT: Gliscor has sandstream?
I think he meant "Sand Veil."
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Old September 30th, 2007 (1:07 PM).
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why does Magmortar have confuse ray? Too risky, and it is the worst status condition. focus Punch makes it a nice skarmbliss killer.
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Choice Specs and Confuse Ray on Magmotar =O

Well, there arnt really many options it can be replace with, apart from Psychic and Solar Beam.....meh
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Actually, WoW is a nice move for magmortar, as it gives it a chance of survival. I'm not big on choice specs magmortar.
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Actually, WoW is a nice move for magmortar, as it gives it a chance of survival. I'm not big on choice specs magmortar.
Yeah, WoW and Give it Life Orb or Wise Glasses or something, just not Specs and Confuse Ray


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Moving on...gliscor needs defensive moves...all attack moves aren't so great on it. give it roost maybe, and SR is a nice option.
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Aerial Ace doesnt do much for weavile, Ice Shard or Pursuit please
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Yeah...I'd give it sash and SD...the most effective set IMO.
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Oh yeah, I didn't realize that Choice Specs would fail with Confuse Ray *Slaps own face* Currently, it knows Lava Plume and Solarbeam. Flamethrower is going to replace Lava Plume, should I stick with Solarbeam? It has better type coverage than Psychic, but it takes two turns. Unless I had sunny day, but then if they switched to a ground pokemon, and I switched to water, I'd be dead... Also I don't like WoW on Magmortar, because it has Flame Body which already gives the foe a 30% chance of getting a burn if they use physical moves. And about my Umbreon, I preffered Swagger, because they cause themselves more damage, and If I have Toxic and Subsitute already in use, they're attack would merely defeat the substitute, and that's only if they're using physical moves, O_o
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Oh yeah, I didn't realize that Choice Specs would fail with Confuse Ray *Slaps own face* Currently, it knows Lava Plume and Solarbeam. Flamethrower is going to replace Lava Plume, should I stick with Solarbeam? It has better type coverage than Psychic, but it takes two turns. Unless I had sunny day, but then if they switched to a ground pokemon, and I switched to water, I'd be dead... Also I don't like WoW on Magmortar, because it has Flame Body which already gives the foe a 30% chance of getting a burn if they use physical moves. And about my Umbreon, I preffered Swagger, because they cause themselves more damage, and If I have Toxic and Subsitute already in use, they're attack would merely defeat the substitute, and that's only if they're using physical moves, O_o
30 Percent Chance isnt good, WoW is 100% burn chance if it hits, you shouldnt be relying on 30 %, also if you WoW them, then you have a chance to survive an EQ.

Also if you have the time and patients, HP Ice could also go on Specs Magmortar.
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Oh yeah, I didn't realize that Choice Specs would fail with Confuse Ray *Slaps own face* Currently, it knows Lava Plume and Solarbeam. Flamethrower is going to replace Lava Plume, should I stick with Solarbeam? It has better type coverage than Psychic, but it takes two turns. Unless I had sunny day, but then if they switched to a ground pokemon, and I switched to water, I'd be dead... Also I don't like WoW on Magmortar, because it has Flame Body which already gives the foe a 30% chance of getting a burn if they use physical moves. And about my Umbreon, I preffered Swagger, because they cause themselves more damage, and If I have Toxic and Subsitute already in use, they're attack would merely defeat the substitute, and that's only if they're using physical moves, O_o
Problems with your theories: For magmortar, it can't take a hit, no matter how fat it is. That means solarbeam is no. Flame body never works, and if it does, magmortar will be dead because any move that could activate flame body will OHKO it...except for tackle...

WoW allows it to survive longer...which is a very nice perk. Since there is no better substitute, except maybe focus punch, I advise you use it.

As for umbreon, it has 65 base speed. You use swagger, but you've already been hit. Even if the attack misses, there's a 50%chance the foe OHKOs you...the other 50% it will hurt itself, THEN you can set up your sub. Still, your strategy relies far too much on luck. Umbreon is useless in 4th gen anyways, the set I posted is, unfortunately, the only way you can really use it.
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But a Magmortar could easily be killed in the same turn as WoW, so I prefer 4 attacking moves on a Magmortar. I think I might Focus Sash Weavile and Life Orb Magmortar, or completely change Magmortar to my Shiny Porygon-Z with 400 Sp.Attack!

Anti-Pop ~ You kinda just told me something was bad and then told me to do it. You said Magmortar can't take a hit, so no solarbeam, and then suggeseted Focus Punch? Isn't that also a two turn move.
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But a Magmortar could easily be killed in the same turn as WoW, so I prefer 4 attacking moves on a Magmortar. I think I might Focus Sash Weavile and Life Orb Magmortar, or completely change Magmortar to my Shiny Porygon-Z with 400 Sp.Attack!


405 is the max. Also, on a bl pokemon, all attacking moves is suicide. It's like jumping of a ten-story building. They have high buildings in what, NYC? If so, it's like jumping off one of them.
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But a Magmortar could easily be killed in the same turn as WoW, so I prefer 4 attacking moves on a Magmortar. I think I might Focus Sash Weavile and Life Orb Magmortar, or completely change Magmortar to my Shiny Porygon-Z with 400 Sp.Attack!

Anti-Pop ~ You kinda just told me something was bad and then told me to do it. You said Magmortar can't take a hit, so no solarbeam, and then suggeseted Focus Punch? Isn't that also a two turn move.
Be smart here Jimmyray...give magmortar some speed...and WoW gives it survival. As for focus punch, it is a one turn move, otherwise there would be no use for it since there's brick break.

For magmortar, HP, focus punch, and WoW are your only good options. You'r gonna have to choose one.
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You have to Focus before you can punch... 2 turn move...
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You have to Focus before you can punch... 2 turn move...
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As for umbreon, it has 65 base speed. You use swagger, but you've already been hit. Even if the attack misses, there's a 50%chance the foe OHKOs you...the other 50% it will hurt itself, THEN you can set up your sub. Still, your strategy relies far too much on luck. Umbreon is useless in 4th gen anyways, the set I posted is, unfortunately, the only way you can really use it.
With Umbreon, you Bp the Sub. =/
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See, focus punch ALWAYS goes first Jimmyray. You "tighten your focus." Then, if you don't get hit, you attack at the end of the same turn. That's a fact.
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See, focus punch ALWAYS goes first Jimmyray. You "tighten your focus." Then, if you don't get hit, you attack at the end of the same turn. That's a fact.


Lisole (Sp)? yay! Anyways, if you can predict a switch then Fp works well.
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Lisole (Sp)? yay! Anyways, if you can predict a switch then Fp works well.
That's the point of having it, but you have to have prediction skills.
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