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Old October 1st, 2007 (10:44 PM). Edited October 2nd, 2007 by shadow_ki6.
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jolly nature
252spd/252hp/4atk
-leech seed
-sleep powder
-substitute
- u - turn

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careful nature
252hp/ even spread with atk and def
-WoW
-thunder punch
-brick break
-pain split

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timid nature
252spd/80hp/the rest sp.atk
-thunderbolt
-thunder wave/confuse ray
-recover
-ice beam

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leech seed
giga drain
rain dance
???

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HELP PLEASE
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Crobat, Togekiss, Gallade/Gardevoir (or both if you feel like it)

If you want annoying walls, try SkarmBliss with Claydol support, that way Claydol walls what the others cannot
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Old October 1st, 2007 (10:56 PM).
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ok i want to make a team of annoyers to pee off my friend this is what i have so far:

my lead
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252spd/252hp/4atk
-leech seed
-sleep powder
-Substitute
- u - turn

Jumpluff is a rather amazing Pokemon that will suprise people. I've used it as leads before. But it's defenses are rather low and Sub will definately protect it as it SubLeechs.

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252hp/ even spread with atk and def
-WoW
-thunder punch/Ice Punch
-Shadow Punch/Shadow Sneak
-pain split

Shadow Punch gives Dusknoir a potent STAB move. Though I wont deny that Shadow Sneak is useless. Depends on your taste.


My edits are in bold. Umbreon is also known as the Queen of all annoyers so you might want to look into that. Jirachi with Wish support?
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Old October 1st, 2007 (11:02 PM). Edited October 1st, 2007 by shadow_ki6.
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so far my team is
jumpluff
dusknoir

EDIT sry punishment i didnt see ur post i like the idea of umbreon can u give me a build for it please

EDIT EDIT what about yanmega my frav. bug lol

EDIT AGAIN LOl i also like the idea of gallade and garvidour
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (10:48 AM).
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take ludiculo with rain dish, leach seed, rain dance and giga drain. max its defences and send it out against a poke win no super effective moves. it will annoy him no end :)
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:01 PM).
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no thanx i already got a leech seeder

can anyone give me a build for a annoying UMBREON, GALLADE, GARVIDOR
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:07 PM).
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If you want a team of annoyers, you pretty much should have kludicolo. You can have more than one pokemon w/ leech seed you know.

Wait, don't annoyers fail in competitive battles?
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:13 PM).
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yea they do but i like to play around with teams...im only gonna use this team to vs my friend



so whats a good ludicolo build
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:29 PM).
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Punishment Shadow Sneak on Dusknoir is NOT useless AT ALL makes an excellent finish attack move. (and I tested it before)
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:52 PM).
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Togekiss, Spiritomb and Ludiloco are the best annoyers in 4th gen :/
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (12:55 PM).
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if you want jumpluff to be effective in any way, then you MUST give it Wide Lens for both Sleep Powder and Leech Seed. its defenses are actually not that bad... the problem is its compelling weaknesses. it is also not the fastest candidate as a starter, so i wouldn't use it as a starter.

dusknoir needs brick break. ice punch and shadow sneak are pointless on it when it's main concern is will-o-wisp, so be sure to give it both thunderpunch and brick break.
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (1:22 PM).
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ok ive edited my first post

i need help on some pkmn
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (1:54 PM).
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Ludi...I'm a 3rd gen player, so I can't help there :/ Uh, I know rain dish + rain dance + leech seed is nice and what it uses, but I never used it 4th gen, so yeah.
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (3:00 PM).
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so whats a good set u use in third gen
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I can hardly remember that one...I'm sick, and not getting any better, so my help probably isn't too worthwhile, but I'll try.

Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers ** Musicman
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: Like I remember
Ditto on the nature
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Giga Drain
- lol wut? Surf?

Yeah, my help is useless. Somebody can give you more accurate info at the moment.
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (4:37 PM).
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thanx

um do u know a good set for umbreon, togikiss, spiritomb
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (5:58 PM). Edited October 2nd, 2007 by Gymnotide.
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I think Bronzong is pretty annoying.

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Levitate
-- Calm Mind
-- Psychic / Shadow Ball / Hidden Power (Fight)
-- Flash Cannon / Shadow Ball / Hidden Power (Fight)
-- Rest / Hypnosis / Light Screen

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Levitate
-- Stealth Rock
-- Hypnosis
-- Gyro Ball
-- Rest

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Rain Dish
-- Rain Dance
-- Leech Seed
-- Substitute / Synthesis
-- Ice Beam / Blizzard (Leech Seed is ineffective against Grass-types)

Tangrowth @ The Rock that increases Sunny Day duration.
Leaf Guard
-- Sunny Day
-- Rest (Can replace with Ingrain, but then Sunny Day should be removed too)
-- Hidden Power (Fire)
-- Leech Seed

Togekiss @ King's Rock
Serene Grace
-- Air Slash
-- Thunder Wave
-- Swagger / Fire Blast
-- Silver Wind / Ancient Power / Nasty Plot

Umbreon @ ???
Synchronize
-- Toxic
-- Mean Look
-- Moonlight / Wish
-- Confuse Ray / Taunt
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (6:38 PM).
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um do u know a good set for umbreon, togikiss, spiritomb
Spiritomb is up there on the best annoyers list. I use one myself, so just ask the people who battle me how annoying it is. But be careful with him... he's far less frightening when his HP has been lowered too much. This is a decent annoyer set:

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Impish/Careful Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 129 Def, 129 SpDef
- Pursuit
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hypnosis

Makes a great lead. It's OHKOed by very little without a critical hit (with a +SpDef nature and those EVs, it can survive a SpecsMence Draco Meteor), Paint Splits away any damage, and supports its team mates with Will-O-Wisp and Hypnosis. Pursuit is there for STAB, and makes him the BEST Alakazam counter. Unlike Dusknoir, Spiritomb is immune to two of the most common attacks on Alakazam, and takes mediocre damage from Shadow Ball. And when Zam switches, hit him with Pursuit for a quick KO. You could also run Sucker Punch with those natures, or Dark Pulse with a Bold or Calm nature. Up to preference.
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Punishment Shadow Sneak on Dusknoir is NOT useless AT ALL makes an excellent finish attack move. (and I tested it before)
Err I dont know why you're attacking me.

In fact if you carefully read what you posted I am saying Shadow Sneak isn't useless and has it's uses.
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (9:22 PM).
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lol i tried shadow sneak out against my cousin
i use thunderpunch on his alakazam then finish wit a shadow sneak

i lol-ed at him

thanx for all the advice
so heres my team so far

spiritomb
tangroth
bronzong
dusknoir
ludicolo
???


help please
i think i got too many walls/tanks xD
i need sweepers any suggestions?

EDIT: could i use yanmega in my team as well
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Old October 2nd, 2007 (11:09 PM).
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Where are the sweepers??? Put in a special and physical sweep.
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Old October 3rd, 2007 (1:44 AM).
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You need a physical and special sweeper...lol

And with Ludicolo and Jumpluff, if you are planning to take advantage of their abilities, it seems stupid to have them both in the same team.....:(

For starters, they both do the same job, with Ludicolo doing it better...

Get a physical and Special sweeper, and for god sakes, if you use Yanmega, don't teach it Hypnosis, because it is hopeless to use here with the Sleep Clause in place, basically it is a waste of a move slot. Add Air Slash for STAB and extra type coverage. It should have this then.

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Old October 3rd, 2007 (2:29 AM).
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lol thanx now i need a sp.sweeper
any suggestion

so far team is

spiritomb
yanmega
ludicolo
dusknoir
tangroth
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Old October 3rd, 2007 (5:55 AM).
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Ummm Yanmega is a Sp sweeper you need a physical one
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Old October 3rd, 2007 (12:48 PM).
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lol my bad any suggestions?.............. .
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