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Old October 4th, 2007 (4:34 AM). Edited October 4th, 2007 by Neo Android.
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This is my team for diamond and pearl competitve battling. Please before anyone says im not changing the matures im gonna have to work with what i got, i havent really got time to train them all up with new natures.

Anway.

Team 1:

@ Twistedspoon

Synchronize
Bashful
Attack - 86
Defense - 81
Sp.Attak - 165
SP.Def - 120
Speed - 135
Level 55
Movesets:
- Confusion
- Psyhic
- Swift
- Psybeam

@ Blackglassess
Synchronize
Gentle
Attack - 96
Def - 121
Sp.Attack - 77
Sp.Def - 181
Speed - 86
Level 52
Movesets:
- Shadow Ball
- Serect Power
- Toxic
- Faint Attack

@ Leftovers
Innerfocus
Lonely
Attack - 232
Def - 120
Sp.Attack - 152
Sp Def - 141
Speed - 135
Level 61
Movesets:
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

@ Mysticwater
MarvelScale
Hasty
Attack - 72
Defense - 81
Sp.Attack - 102
Sp.Def - 126
Speed - 115
Level 45
Movesets:
- Surf
- Dragon Breath
- Hydro Pump
- Recover

@ Blackbelt
Steadfast
Adamant
Attack - 137
Defense - 106
Sp.Atk - 122
Sp.Def - 76
Speed - 117
Level 48
Movesets:
- Dragon Pulse
- Close Combat
- Strength
- Aura Sphere

@ Luckypunch
Serene Grace
Mild
Attack - 29
Defense - 28
Sp.Attak - 150
Sp.Def - 238
Speed - 115
Level 73
Movesets:
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Healing Wish


Team 2:


@ Twistedspoon
Innerfocus
Jolly
Attack - 75
Defense - 68
Sp.Atk - 134
Sp.Def - 94
Speed - 151
Level 47
Movesets:
- Recover
- Hidden Power
- Psybeam
- Psyhic

@ Dragonfang
Sandveil
Hasty
Attack - 141
Defense - 108
Sp.Atk - 88
Sp.Def - 102
Speed - 130
Level 48
Movesets:
- Crunch
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Dragon Rage

@ Dragonfang
Intimidate
Mild
Atk - 146
Def - 81
Sp.Atk - 139
Sp. Def - 88
Speed - 113
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace
- Dragon Dance
- Refresh
- Dragon Claw

@ Blackglassess
Pressure
Lonely
Atk - 143
Def - 61
Sp.Atk - 76
Sp.Def - 60
Speed - 83
Level 46
Movesets:
- Razor Wind
- Future Sight
- Perish Song
- Water Pulse

@ Characol
Blaze
Bold
Atk - 129
Def - 90
Sp.Atk - 128
Sp.Def - 87
Speed - 108
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace
- Blazekick
- Fire Punch
- Mirror Move

@ Nevermeltice/Mystic Water
Water Absorb
Modest
Attack - 81
Defense - 77
Sp.Atk - 92
Sp.Def - 88
Speed - 63
Level 44
Movesets:
- Hydro Pump
- Heal Bell
- Rain Dance
- Blizzard


I Hope you can help me but like i said before i cant change the natures :(

Thank You

- NA
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Old October 4th, 2007 (4:39 AM).
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The only item I see that is actually worth keeping is Leftovers... but I don't know how well it will work on Dragonite

Anyway, those 10% boost items, are rubbish... They only boost one kind of attack anyway so it makes them totally pointless to have on any pokemon

Also Pokemon isn't about levels anymore, it's all about IV breeding and EV training, and yes that does mean proper natures as well (The only proper ones are your Adament Lucario and Modest Lapras, yet even they can have multiple natures and still work a different role)

Also movesets would help if you want any real help, there are too many ways to use some pokemon (Salamence, Lucario, Lapras, Umbreon)
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Old October 4th, 2007 (4:42 AM). Edited October 4th, 2007 by Neo Android.
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The only item I see that is actually worth keeping is Leftovers... but I don't know how well it will work on Dragonite

Anyway, those 10% boost items, are rubbish... They only boost one kind of attack anyway so it makes them totally pointless to have on any pokemon

Also Pokemon isn't about levels anymore, it's all about IV breeding and EV training, and yes that does mean proper natures as well (The only proper ones are your Adament Lucario and Modest Lapras, yet even they can have multiple natures and still work a different role)

Also movesets would help if you want any real help, there are too many ways to use some pokemon (Salamence, Lucario, Lapras, Umbreon)
Yes but if you have loads of time on your hands than its fine to breed for the right natures i dont. Im am very new to this so sorry for my ignorance at the fact that levels dont matter and the items dont matter. I will post up the movesets now

Edit: Movesets Posted!!

Please Can I Have Some Help.
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Yes but if you have loads of time on your hands than its fine to breed for the right natures i dont. Im am very new to this so sorry for my ignorance at the fact that levels dont matter and the items dont matter. I will post up the movesets now

Edit: Movesets Posted!!

Please Can I Have Some Help.
If you don't have time to breed then don't battle. Pokemon without good IVs and natures get pummled by well-trained pokemon. Pokemon is patience...pretty simple. If you don't have the time, you might as well find a different hobby, because it is time-consuming, simple. I got EXTREMELY lucky when I was making my D/P team, and it still took a good amount of time to complete...

For the record, stats don't matter, only EVs. Nuetral natures are horrible.
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If you don't have time to breed then don't battle. Pokemon without good IVs and natures get pummled by well-trained pokemon. Pokemon is patience...pretty simple. If you don't have the time, you might as well find a different hobby, because it is time-consuming, simple. I got EXTREMELY lucky when I was making my D/P team, and it still took a good amount of time to complete...

For the record, stats don't matter, only EVs. Nuetral natures are horrible.

I shouldnt have to find a different hobby just because i trained up different natures and people think the natures are bad. Its not really there choice all i really need help on is the movesets im sorry that i have a time consumed life, or the fact you or anyone think i should get a different hobby because i havent got time, i have patience, you dont know how much patience i have. And im guessing then the match i won against EV trained pokemon doesnt count as anything.

I dont need people to disrespect my life (saying i should take up a new hobby) I dont need people to 'dis' me or the way in which i do things, all i need is some moveset help. If you cant help or if your just gonna have a go then just dont post. Simple.

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I shouldnt have to find a different hobby just because i trained up different natures and people think the natures are bad. Its not really there choice all i really need help on is the movesets im sorry that i have a time consumed life, or the fact you or anyone think i should get a different hobby because i havent got time, i have patience, you dont know how much patience i have. And im guessing then the match i won against EV trained pokemon doesnt count as anything.

I dont need people to disrespect my life (saying i should take up a new hobby) I dont need people to 'dis' me or the way in which i do things, all i need is some moveset help. If you cant help or if your just gonna have a go then just dont post. Simple.

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*Sigh* I'm not trying to 'dis' your life at all. I am VERY busy...it isn't too hard to find a bit of free time. Anyways, if you aren't gonna change the natures, hten you might as well give up. I'm not trying to bug you, honest. But those pokemon would get demolished in competitive. I doubt they are EV trained, which is even worse. If you won't rebreed for good natures and then EV train the new pokemon, we are simply wasting our time trying to help. Point is...those pokemon, even with far better movesets, would get slaughtered...but if you insist...my edit is in bold.

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This is my team for diamond and pearl competitve battling. Please before anyone says im not changing the matures im gonna have to work with what i got, i havent really got time to train them all up with new natures.

Anway.

Team 1:

@ Twistedspoon

Synchronize
Timid
Stats are irrelevant, only EVs matter. The level is also irrelevant, since Wifi makes everything lv. 100.
Movesets:
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Baton Pass
- Substitute

Espeon fails with physical attacks, sorry. This is a good BPer set though. Two (or three) attacks of the same type on 1 pokemon...no, just no. there are a few exceptions, but espeon isn't one of them. Items like twistedspoon suck too. Go leftovers instead...or a pinch berry if you want.

@ Leftovers
Synchronize
Bold
Movesets:
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Toxic/confuse Ray/Curse
- Wish

Blackglasses, like twistedspoon, should not be used. EVER. Umbreon is an extremely poor attacker, but an amazing trapper. You can pass the trap to get a good matchup.

@ Leftovers/Life Orb/Shell Bell
Inner focus
Jolly
Movesets:
- Fire Punch
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw/Outrage

DDnite. It is a pwnful pokemon.

@ Leftovers
MarvelScale
Bold
Movesets:
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat/Sleep Talk
- Recover/Rest

You can go mirror coat or resttlak milotic. Again, no items like mystic water. dragonbreath isn't needed at all.

@ Blackbelt
Steadfast
Adamant
Movesets:
- Dragon Pulse
- Close Combat
- Strength
- Aura Sphere

No comment, since I suck with lucario. I will tell you that yours isn't so good. Don't use strength...EVER.

@ Leftovers
Natural cure
Bold
Attack - 29
Defense - 28
Sp.Attak - 150
Sp.Def - 238
Speed - 115
Level 73
Movesets:
- Ice Beam/Seismic Toss
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Leftovers

ALWAYS use lefties on blissey. ALWAYS. And natural cure>serene grace. That is the standard set, and works very well. Lucky punch...no.


Team 2:


@ Twistedspoon
Innerfocus
Jolly
Attack - 75
Defense - 68
Sp.Atk - 134
Sp.Def - 94
Speed - 151
Level 47
Movesets:
- Recover
- Hidden Power
- Psybeam
- Psyhic

@ Dragonfang
Sandveil
Hasty
Attack - 141
Defense - 108
Sp.Atk - 88
Sp.Def - 102
Speed - 130
Level 48
Movesets:
- Crunch
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Dragon Rage

@ Dragonfang
Intimidate
Mild
Atk - 146
Def - 81
Sp.Atk - 139
Sp. Def - 88
Speed - 113
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace
- Dragon Dance
- Refresh
- Dragon Claw

@ Blackglassess
Pressure
Lonely
Atk - 143
Def - 61
Sp.Atk - 76
Sp.Def - 60
Speed - 83
Level 46
Movesets:
- Razor Wind
- Future Sight
- Perish Song
- Water Pulse

@ Characol
Blaze
Bold
Atk - 129
Def - 90
Sp.Atk - 128
Sp.Def - 87
Speed - 108
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace
- Blazekick
- Fire Punch
- Mirror Move

@ Nevermeltice/Mystic Water
Water Absorb
Modest
Attack - 81
Defense - 77
Sp.Atk - 92
Sp.Def - 88
Speed - 63
Level 44
Movesets:
- Hydro Pump
- Heal Bell
- Rain Dance
- Blizzard


I Hope you can help me but like i said before i cant change the natures :(

Thank You

- NA
I'll rate the 2nd one later...the first took long enough.
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Okay i will try to breed some more pokemon but my miltoic took me ages to get im not very good with poffins.
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Old October 4th, 2007 (9:43 AM).
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Okay i will try to breed some more pokemon but my miltoic took me ages to get im not very good with poffins.
Milotic isn't so hard to get...it's a sacrifice you're gonna have to make. You need to learn EV training, or include it in your teams...
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I just read on a website about how to ev train using the macho brace and exp share. And thats how i train normally
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Okay...then post EVs next time. Now you need to implement roles. You need a hazer/PHazer, Rapid spinner, at least 2 sweepers, preferably a tank, a physical wall, a special wall, and a heal beller/cleric. Many of those roles can be found on one pokemon, like blastoise is a rapid spinner, hazer/PHazer, and wall. Make sure the role fits the pokemon...and you'll be set. I'd post you my team as an example, though it isn't very good and it's for GBA anyways. Good luck...
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If you want to EV train, I would advise you to breed some good pokemon something like a level 100 Eevee or lutions.

1st off I would recommend you to have:

Espeon with

Bite
Dig
Psychic
Wish

Milotic with

Ice Beam
Hydropump/Brine
Dragon Pulse
Dragon Breath

Dragonite

Flame Thrower
Ice Beam
Thunder Bolt
Dragon Rush

Lucario

Aura Sphere
Dragon Rush
Psychic
Earthquake

Absol

Ice Beam
Flame Thrower
Thunderbolt
Psycho Cut

Blissey

Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Aromatherapy
Grass Knot

That's my opinion.
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If you want to EV train, I would advise you to breed some good pokemon something like a level 100 Eevee or lutions.

1st off I would recommend you to have:

Espeon with

Bite
Dig
Psychic
Wish

NEVER use dig. It's a physical move anyways. what the hack?

Milotic with

Ice Beam
Hydropump/Brine
Dragon Pulse
Dragon Breath

Nononononononononononononononono. Why both dragonbreath and dragon pulse? lol no. Milotic will never be a sweeper.

Dragonite

Flame Thrower
Ice Beam
Thunder Bolt
Dragon Rush

Dragon Rush = fail. Dnite can be a special sweeper, but DDnite or mixed dragonite are better IMO

Lucario

Aura Sphere
Dragon Rush
Psychic
Earthquake

Again, dragon rush = fail...so doea that moveset

Absol

Ice Beam
Flame Thrower
Thunderbolt
Psycho Cut

Nononononononononononononononononononononononono. Special attacks on absol? No, its attack is the only thing that it has, use it.

That's my opinion.
Not to be a rude jerk, but those movesets were absolutely terrible. Let's not mislead anybody, shall we? Not trying to be mean, just pointing out facts
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As I said underneath, it's my opinion and I'm just picking ones that tracked in my mind.
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As I said underneath, it's my opinion and I'm just picking ones that tracked in my mind.
Let's not try to mislead though. Make sure ur info is okay...just so you know
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Is a naughty feebas any good
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Is a naughty feebas any good
No. Only bold. Naughty takes away its precious SDef, so no. It doesn't even need attack. So no.
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i have bold but should i get modest too?
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This is my team for diamond and pearl competitve battling. Please before anyone says im not changing the matures im gonna have to work with what i got, i havent really got time to train them all up with new natures.

Anway.

Team 1:

@ Life Orb/Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

Synchronize
Bashful Modest/Timid
Attack - 86
Defense - 81
Sp.Attak - 165
SP.Def - 120
Speed - 135
Level 55
Movesets:
- Confusion/Calm Mind (if you go with Life Orb, If not, Shadow Ball)
- Psychic
- Swift = Substitute/HP Electric/Ice/Dark for Sweep
- Psybeam = Baton Pass (If you go with Substitute. If not, Grass Knot)

@ Leftovers
Synchronize
Gentle = Impish/Relaxed/Sassy/Bold/(Any Sdef or def increasing Nature)
Attack - 96
Def - 121
Sp.Attack - 77
Sp.Def - 181
Speed - 86
Level 52
Movesets:
- Shadow Ball = Baton Pass
- Serect Power = Curse
- Toxic = Mean Look
- Faint Attack = Wish

@ Leftovers/Focus Sash/Yache Berry
Innerfocus
Lonely/Hasty/Naive/Naughty
Attack - 232
Def - 120
Sp.Attack - 152
Sp Def - 141
Speed - 135
Level 61
Movesets:
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

Wow... miracle you got this one correst XD

@ Leftovers/Flame Orb
MarvelScale
Hasty Bold
Attack - 72
Defense - 81
Sp.Attack - 102
Sp.Def - 126
Speed - 115
Level 45
Movesets:
- Surf = Ice Beam
- Dragon Breath = Mirror Coat/Hypnosis/Haze
- Hydro Pump/Surf
- Recover

@ Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Steadfast
Adamant OK
Attack - 137
Defense - 106
Sp.Atk - 122
Sp.Def - 76
Speed - 117
Level 48
Movesets:
- Dragon Pulse = Crunch
- Close Combat
- Strength Extremespeed(If you went Choice Band, if not Earthquake)
- Aura Sphere = Stone Edge

@ Leftovers
Serene Grace Natural Cure
Mild Bold
Attack - 29
Defense - 28
Sp.Attak - 150
Sp.Def - 238
Speed - 115
Level 73
Movesets:
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Healing Wish

Breed another Blissey with Aromatherapy/Heal Bell. Then teach it Seismic Toss/Counter and Thunder Wave

Team 2:

@ Focus Sash/Life Orb/Choice Specs
Innerfocus
Jolly Timid
Attack - 75
Defense - 68
Sp.Atk - 134
Sp.Def - 94
Speed - 151
Level 47
Movesets:
- Recover = Trick(If you went Choice Specs. If not, Energy Ball)
- Hidden Power(Type?!)
- Psybeam = Focus Blast
- Psychic

@ Focus Sash/Life Orb
Sandveil
Hasty OK
Attack - 141
Defense - 108
Sp.Atk - 88
Sp.Def - 102
Speed - 130
Level 48
Movesets:
- Crunch = Swords Dance
- Flamethrower = Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Rage = Dragon Claw/Dragon Rush

@ Focus Sash
Intimidate
Mild Hasty/Naive
Atk - 146
Def - 81
Sp.Atk - 139
Sp. Def - 88
Speed - 113
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace = Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Refresh = Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw/Dragon Rush

@ Choice Scarf/Choice Band
Pressure
Lonely OK
Atk - 143
Def - 61
Sp.Atk - 76
Sp.Def - 60
Speed - 83
Level 46
Movesets:
- Razor Wind = Night Slash (If you went Choice Band, Sucker Punch)
- Future Sight = Stone Edge
- Perish Song = Zen Headbutt
- Water Pulse = Pursuit (Ugh... why can't Absol get a damn fighting move..)

@ Life Orb/Choice Scarf
Blaze
Bold Hasty/Naive
Atk - 129
Def - 90
Sp.Atk - 128
Sp.Def - 87
Speed - 108
Level 50
Movesets:
- Aerial Ace = Brave Bird/HP Grass
- Blazekick = Fire Blast
- Fire Punch = Sky Uppercut
- Mirror Move = Stone Edge

@ Leftovers
Water Absorb
Modest/Adamant/(or any defense/sdef increasing nature)
Attack - 81
Defense - 77
Sp.Atk - 92
Sp.Def - 88
Speed - 63
Level 44
Movesets:
- Hydro Pump/Waterfall
- Heal Bell
- Rain Dance/Dragon Dance(If Adamant)
- Blizzard/Ice Beam/Ice Shard(If Adamant)


I Hope you can help me but like i said before i cant change the natures :(

Thank You

- NA

Although I think I may be very innaccurate on Lapras

EDIT: Anti-Pop, too many nononononononono's
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I have to say Nononononononono...it's like a habit lol. But that lapras set can be scary to face. Once powered up, expect to win, or, if you're fighting against it, lose. It's like DDtar sorta
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Thank You For The Help.

I Have A Few Questions

- Should Espeon Lean Wish To?
- And When EV Training What EVS For What Pokemon Should I Focus On?

Okay So Far Egg Wise I Have Hatched:

- A Female Bold Feebas Thats No Evolved
- A Male Bold Eevee - For Umberon
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Special sweepers: EVs in SAtk and Spd
Physical sweepers: EVs in Atk and Spd
Phys. Walls: EVs in HP and Def
Spec. Walls: EVs in HP and SDef

That's pretty basic...
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is a naive rioul any good? it has the boosted attack pattern
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is a naive rioul any good? it has the boosted attack pattern
I would go Adamant Modest or Hasty/Naive. So yes, it is good. Hasty/Naive for mixed, Modest for special, and Adamant for physical sweeper.
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Oh wait... Did Anti just say Dragon Rush is fail? No its for people that are risky like me that use Thunder/Focus Blast/Dragon Rush. I say this because I use these moves
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Oh wait... Did Anti just say Dragon Rush is fail? No its for people that are risky like me that use Thunder/Focus Blast/Dragon Rush. I say this because I use these moves
It fails when you have outrage and dragon claw as other options. Dragon Rush is like a dragon version of iron tail, which isn't a good move.
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