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Old October 5th, 2007 (6:23 PM). Edited October 5th, 2007 by Anti.
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Yeah, I finally got Natbettle...I have 4 roles ready, a special wall and sweeper, and a physical wall and sweeper. Yeah. I need a spinner, and a good status absorber maybe. And yeah, a tank would be nice. This is where you come i. I'm stuck...I need a spinner, a tank, and then a staus absorber, maybe heracross. I dunno. Any ideas? Here's the team...so far:

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Hidden Power [Flying]

CBmence. My sexy physical sweeper...but I don't want to use it as my lead...so I can wipe out the counters first.

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Crunch
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunderbolt

Special sweeper. that is all. It can absorb special attacks rather well too.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

AGH! SKARM!

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

I might as well make that skarmbliss.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 236 HP / 136 Atk / 108 Def / 28 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Psychic

Added claydol. Another pokemon that can abuse rest, and skarmblissdol is pwnful. Also counters DDtar and is my spinner.
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Old October 5th, 2007 (6:33 PM).
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What is up with your Blissey... neutral natures and 85 EVs for each... lol

Bold, max Def and HP, then rest in Sp Def
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Old October 5th, 2007 (6:33 PM).
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What is up with your Blissey... neutral natures and 85 EVs for each... lol

Bold, max Def and HP, then rest in Sp Def
Oops, I forgot to EV it. I copied this from my Netbattle file. Yeah, sorry...I'll edit that in lol
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Lol yeah I thought it might have been like that

Anyway my suggestion for a Spinner... Claydol

Not only can he learn Rapid Spin, but Claydol walls all attempts at a SkarmBliss counter... SkarmBlissDol walls anything well, as long as prediction plays a good part of it

4th Gen is another story, but I know your a 3rd Gen man anyway
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Old October 5th, 2007 (6:38 PM).
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I wouldn't post it if I didn't use it. Why don't people use common sense anymore???

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Lol yeah I thought it might have been like that

Anyway my suggestion for a Spinner... Claydol

Not only can he learn Rapid Spin, but Claydol walls all attempts at a SkarmBliss counter... SkarmBlissDol walls anything well, as long as prediction plays a good part of it

4th Gen is another story, but I know your a 3rd Gen man anyway
3rd gen all the way! Alright, claydol it is. Blastoise failed me, donphan is a bit redundant, so yeah. I'll go claydol. I'll post a moveset soon. You got one? I'm pretty bad with claydol. lol
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Umm... (tries to remember 3rd Gen Claydol)

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EVs: 236 HP, 136 Atk, 108 Def, 30 Sp Def
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-Light Screen/Reflect/Cosmic Power
-Rest/Explosion

Substitute is an option, but I can't figure what it should go over
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Old October 5th, 2007 (6:48 PM).
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Well, with blissey, my team, can totally abuse rest, so I'll use that over explosion...most people have that claused anyways. An I'll go reflect, since Raikou and blissey would REALLY benefit. Pretty much uber-izes blissey, which is always funj to tick off your opponent. So it would be:

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Okay, but why relaxed? Wouldn't impish be better?
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Damn, I tried to get out of the habit of making Claydol a Trick Room participate but forgot to change the nature... yes Impish would work unless you plan on running him with Ice Beam/Psychic
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Damn, I tried to get out of the habit of making Claydol a Trick Room participate but forgot to change the nature... yes Impish would work unless you plan on running him with Ice Beam/Psychic
I would like psychic for STAB and so gengar (which I've seen about a million of) don't absorb rapid spin and laugh at me. I'll take out reflect then...but what EVs?
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Hmm, prehaps change the Sp Def to Sp Atk, and then maybe take off HP or Defense if you want to increase it some more... so basically something like this

216 HP, 136 Atk, 100 Def, 58 Sp Atk
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I just went to serebii...had the same EVs you did (the 1st spread you posted, so I'll use those). Psychic only needs to do a little over half to gengar, which I'm sure it can do with gengar's lol defenses, and that'll scare it away. Even if the user of gengar is foolish enough to stay in, I can KO it w/ psychic and absorb an ice punch from it. Added claydol to the first post. Thanks.

Any suggestions for the last slot? All the roles are covered, so now I just need something to be a good filler for this team. Suggestions? Oh, and thanks again.
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Figuers...I asked in the Q&A thread for standard CBmence...what is the replacement for it? I really don't know. lol

EDIT: Wait, wouldn't brick break be good for blissey/regice/snorlax/TTar???
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Hmm, maybe another physical sweeper that doesnt need a Choice Band...
or a ghost to resist some Rapid Spin stopping your spikes attacks...
or a BPer to give mence a hand in outspeeding things that would normally OHKO with Ice Beam...

Gah the choices
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Well, I won't be using nonjask or smeargle...or jolteon. The only BPer I really like is celebi, but 3 pokemon weak to ice beam isn't a good thing. I don't really have a tank. I need something fairly offensive, since Mence or raikou fainting would be trouble. I don't care if they blow away my spikes...I never use spikes anyways, it's just a move to use while the opponent switches. And I'm putting brick break on Mence...besides maybe a fire move (which isn't really taking advantage of CB) brick break is the best choice IMO. Nothing better really. So that narrows it down to another sweeper/tank. Ideas? Anything ice beam doesn't murder would be great lol
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Milotic maybe? Mirror Coat and Recover makes it deadly, but again it's all about prediction
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Milotic maybe? Mirror Coat and Recover makes it deadly, but again it's all about prediction
You read my mind. I need a status absorber, and restalk would be perfect! Of course, blissey absorbs status well, w/ aromatherapy and natural cure. I need something that can use surf anyways...so...

Milotic (F) @ LEftovers
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EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SAtk
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*turns to serebii for guidance*

84 HP, 252 Def, 12 Spd, 106 SAtk, 56 SDef

Could possibly change some of those Def EVs to HP if your Restalking though
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84 HP, 252 Def, 12 Spd, 106 SAtk, 56 SDef

Could possibly change some of those Def EVs to HP if your Restalking though
Yeah...I don't see how a mere 84 HP EVs is gonna help...but once I get the EV spread and all that taken care of, how's my team looking? Mence covers my physical attacking needs, and milo and Blissey can shake off the beamers. Besides, I am pwnage...lol. I think I'm gonna use resttalkl, since my prediction skills are so-so, but not ggod enough to mirror coat...my skills have been lost XD So yeah, resttalk it is. I'll find an EV spread somewhere...thanks for the help. And BTW, how good IS this team?

EDIT: After a few battles, I'll just say that raikou is unstopable.
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Figuers...I asked in the Q&A thread for standard CBmence...what is the replacement for it? I really don't know. lol

EDIT: Wait, wouldn't brick break be good for blissey/regice/snorlax/TTar???
That's why there is Earthquake :\
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That's why there is Earthquake :\
Earthquake puts a dent in them, but brick break puts blissey into a range where I can power up raikou and take out blissey with thunderbolt. Sad part is, after 4 calm minds, thunderbolt did a mere 49% to blissey.

Ah well. If anybody has a better substitute for brick break, the floor is yours. Fire blast??? And milotic has failed me...I was thinking of using swampert instead. Ideas?
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Earthquake puts a dent in them, but brick break puts blissey into a range where I can power up raikou and take out blissey with thunderbolt. Sad part is, after 4 calm minds, thunderbolt did a mere 49% to blissey.

Ah well. If anybody has a better substitute for brick break, the floor is yours. Fire blast??? And milotic has failed me...I was thinking of using swampert instead. Ideas?
Nooblet Attack is an alternate, put in on Jimmyray.

Replace the item and in place of it, put Petaya Berry. Replace Brick Break with Flamethrower. And HP Flying with Dragon Claw if STAB is what you're looking for. Yeah, I know , no boost, right? Adamant Nature then. Mized
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Nooblet Attack is an alternate, put in on Jimmyray.

Replace the item and in place of it, put Petaya Berry. Replace Brick Break with Flamethrower. And HP Flying with Dragon Claw if STAB is what you're looking for. Yeah, I know , no boost, right? Adamant Nature then. Mized
I have no other physical attacker...I kinda can't use mixed mence...I can put fire blast, but does it really need petaya berry? Mence is gonna be switching a fair amount too...so the pinch berries wouldn't be good compared to the choice band. It laughs at blissey switch-ins.

Anyhow, that comment was a little out of line, wouldn't you say? Of course, return, especially in 4th gen, is lol on gyarados, but the last thing I want this to do is turn into a flame war. KK thanks.
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I have no other physical attacker...I kinda can't use mixed mence...I can put fire blast, but does it really need petaya berry? Mence is gonna be switching a fair amount too...so the pinch berries wouldn't be good compared to the choice band. It laughs at blissey switch-ins.

Anyhow, that comment was a little out of line, wouldn't you say? Of course, return, especially in 4th gen, is lol on gyarados, but the last thing I want this to do is turn into a flame war. KK thanks.
Okay. Sorry, replacement for Salamence?

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