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Old October 7th, 2007 (7:45 AM).
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After being stuck mentally too long in 3rd gen, I've finally worked on my plans for a 4th gen team. It looks something like this:

Venusaur @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Overgrow
EV: 46 HP / 212 SpAtt / 252 Speed
Nature: Modest
Sleep Powder
Leaf Storm
Sludge Bomb / HP Fire/Ice
Giga Drain

I wanted a different lead, and with CScarf Venusaur can cause a nasty surprise with Sleep Powder. I'm not really holding out for HP types, but it would be advantageous to get a half-decent one.

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
EV: 252 SpAtt / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Nature: Timid
Draco Meteor
Flamethrower
Dragon Pulse
Hydro Pump

Standard SpecsMence. A danger for any team to face.

Muk @ Black Sludge
Trait: Sticky Hold
EV: 254 HP / 68 Att / 188 SpAtt
Nature: Quiet
Substitute
Focus Punch
Fire Blast
Shadow Punch

A different Skarmbliss counter.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EV: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SpDef
Nature: Quiet
Rapid Spin
Light Screen
Ice Beam
Explosion

Sets up screen, blows up. Rapid Spin to deal with any set up Spikes etc.

Steelix @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EV: 252 HP / 40 Att / 218 Def
Nature: Brave
Earthquake
Gyro Ball
Stealth Rock
Explosion

Physical wall.

Milotic @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EV: 252 HP / 6 SpAtt / 212 Def / 40 SpDef
Nature: Bold
Surf
Ice Beam
Hypnosis
Recover

Was lacking a good water type, and Milotic fits the bill nicely here.
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Old October 7th, 2007 (7:50 AM).
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Old October 8th, 2007 (1:44 AM).
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Hhm, no responses so far. Does that mean there's nothing that needs fixing? I know there's no dedicated special wall, Claydol does fill that role to an extent especially with Light Screen support.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (4:18 AM).
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Still, if it blows up...bye bye wall.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (4:57 AM).
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Yeah, that is true. I could replace Claydol and Steelix with Forretress to fill both a physical wall and spinner role to get room for a special wall. Wish Blissey would be interesting
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Old October 8th, 2007 (7:35 AM).
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Your team is pretty awesome, but SpecsMence is way to expected... And you have a very big Vaporeon / Lapras weak, although they're not common, their types are! Water / Ice is gonna get you down! Get something that absorbs water, like Vaporeon because of Water Absorb, or get a good electric Pokémon, like Electivire or Magnezone, although I wouldn't recommend Magnezone on your team because you'd have a major weak to Ground instead of Water / Ice.

Oh, and as I was saying, your team is pretty original and awesome, so NO Blissey, it screws your whole originality thingy! I HATE Blissey and co.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (7:41 AM).
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Still, he isn't making this team to be original. If he wants Blissey, so be it. It is a great pokemon. Just cause everyone and their grandma uses it, doesn't make it a bad pokemon. And a water/Ice weakness? Milotic covers that, to an extent.

And even with Magnezone, he doesn't have a major Ground weaness-Claydol covers that completley.

Also, as expected as Specsmence is, is is still damn scary. It forced me to get a Brozong on my team.

EDIT:Now that I check, the only thing original is his Muk & Venasaur. Everything else is gravely OU.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (9:25 AM).
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this team is fine. the only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't have a real physical sweeper. also there are some move selections that really need to be reconsidered:

giga drain is BAD unless you're a Choice Specs Venomoth with Tinted Lens. it's really a wasted slot. all modest venusaur has to offer w/ choice scarf is leaf storm/sludge bomb/hp fire. you can also try giving venu light screen for that last move slot so that it can scare something away while setting support for the team. rather than have claydol set light screen just to die off in a few turns (which i imagine would take some prediction to effectively use explosion since quiet nature only makes it slower), you can use claydol for maybe setting reflect or give it earth power.

give steelix more attack plz. 120-172 def is more than enough for him to do some walling.

you should probably consider giving milotic wide lens for hypnosis, and replace surf with hydro pump.

get rid of shadow punch on muk. give it thunderpunch or thunderbolt for that matter. taunt is also an option to prevent status once they break your sub or to prevent them from setting up.
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Hhm, a Water Absorber would be cool. Perhaps Mantine would be cool, it could serve as a special wall too, replacing Milotic for it.

As for Venusaur, that Giga Drain is mainly filler cos I couldn't think of a better move to use. I've also pulled one out with a useful Hidden Power type (Water BP 68).
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I'd just like to point out that Shadow Sneak should probably be used over Shadow Punch on Muk to pull off a couple of unexpected revenge kills. And as Samson said, go with Sleep Powder, Leaft Storm, Sludge Bomb and [INSERT DECENT HIDDEN POWER HERE] on Venusaur instead of using Giga Drain. I don't really like the idea of having both of your main special attackers hold a choice item and blowing up your two main physical walls/tanks up isn't necessarily the smartest thing to do, either. Your team is also in serious need of a special wall.

You get coolness points for using Muk and Choice Scarf Venusaur, though, but the lack of anything that can absorb special hits well really hurts.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (10:16 AM).
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Hhm, Shadow Sneak does seem to actually be a better option. Guess that's back to rebreeding Muk (even though I've EVed the current one already, nvm).

Mantine @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EV: 212 HP / 40 SpAtt / 252 SpDef
Nature: Calm
Hydro Pump/Surf
Ice Beam
Aqua Ring/Mirror Coat
Mirror Coat/Earthquake

Not a huge amount of options for Mantine. Probably a few things I'm missing. EQ is LOL but can catch a few things on the switch, but the EVs would need refiguring for that. MC is always a nice surprise to have. Just a shame on the lack of recovery moves. At least I've got plenty to fall back on, since Venusaur, Steelix and Claydol are all safe switches for an electric move
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Maintine? You have Milotic. Typo, I'm sure.
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i use a mantine set that is very nice, but it uses swift swim, so nvm.
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Fixed. Yeah, I missed that one, sorry.

I'll go with that Venusaur set, Giga Drain doesn't have the power, plus Leaf Storm can serve as a STAB Grass move anyway, I don't need two of them.

Samson, I'm using Mantine here as a wall, but all options would be cool. 140 base SpDef is nothing to argue with. It's just a shame the only real recovery he has is either from Water moves, Rest or Aqua Ring. I've no real room to throw a Wish supporter in with everything else.
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How bout Umbreon? He's beefy, and a Wisher.
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Hhm, Umbreon could work.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronise
EV: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpDef
Nature: Bold
Wish
Mean Look/Taunt
Baton Pass
Taunt/Snatch/Curse

Taunt's always cool to make use of, messes up Roar/Whirlwind as well as giving you the time to get Wish in while they switch to cancel it. One of the few times Mean Look wouldn't always work for Umbreon
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yeah, it's dumb that they gave just about EVERYTHING with wings Roost, except for mantine, who most definitely needs it. with rain dance + roost, it would be a beast.

anywho, here's what i use:

Mantine @ Wacan Berry
Calm Nature
252 HP/168 SP ATK/88 SPD
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Rain Dance
-Mirror Coat

bring it in to take a special hit, use rain dance immediately, and you have the option of doing 2 things: double STAB Surf (it's faster than jolteon/aero with rain dance + those evs), or if it's a gengar or starmie, use mirror coat to survive the tbolt (w/ wacan berry) and revenge kill.

the great thing about this one is no random physical sweeper can just come into mantine thinking that it's faster and won't be able to do much damage to it. no one should underestimate double STAB surf (well, except vaporeon + blissey + other water absorbers XD).
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Yeah, looks solid to me, the only problem would come from paralysis hax (since every electric move has some chance of adding paralysis). Mantine is quite underrated, and if it did have Roost it would be awesome.
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