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SubSeed Sceptile goes something like this:

Sceptile @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EV: 252 SpAtt / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Nature: Timid
Leech Seed
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Thunderpunch/Dragon Claw/HP Fire/HP Ice
Leaf Blade

Thunderpunch for fliers, DClaw for coverage, HP to hurt most anything else.
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SubSeed Sceptile goes something like this:

Sceptile @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EV: 252 SpAtt / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Nature: Timid
Leech Seed
Substitute
Thunderpunch/Dragon Claw/HP Fire/HP Ice
Leaf Blade

Thunderpunch for fliers, DClaw for coverage, HP to hurt most anything else.
I'm pretty sure HP ice is standard...maybe HP fire. I'm not sure, but I know that dragon claw hasn't worked well for me.
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I've had some success using Dragon Claw, it deals with Kingdra easier. HP Ice is pretty much the standard though. HP Fire hurts Skarm/Forry and either HP type hurts grasses that are immune to Leech Seed. It's all a case of preference, what you want to deal with easier (not that he needs he needs to attack much with Leech Seed)
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Yeah i mean this kid is only 13 years old and i doubt he even has a understanding on what EVs and terms like subseeder and special sweeper are.
But I'm... Twelve years old... 0.0;

What I'm saying is that. Sceptile shouldn't have physical moves. Its a special sweeper.
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sceptile lv.50-hyperbeam,solarbeam,leaf blade,and giga drain!
all I've got to say is... don't use that sceptile.
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all I've got to say is... don't use that sceptile.
We've already clarified that:\

If you don't want to use it as a subseeder...there's a special attacker version, but it isn't as good.
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Okay...I'll cut down on the "no"s...but can I PLEASE use them every now and again? lol

Anyways, a subseeder is a pokemon that uses substitute and leech seed to annoy the foe. Secptile is one of the most common subseeders with its tremendous speed, as is jumpluff. Roar and whirlwing can break through subs though, which can help get rid of them...but they are extremely annoying to fight if you aren't prepared.

EVs...any good trainer EV trains their pokemon. There are several guides online, including one in a sticky of this forum, so I suggest you look.

Sweepers don't necessarily end battles fast, they are pokemon with high speed and either high special attack (special sweepers), high attack (physical sweepers), or both (mixed sweepers). They are the pokemon that use direct damge moves to harm your foe, but walls often stop them...suck as blissey, who walls special attacks.

Back to subseeders, I'd use the subseeding set for Scepy...it has worked the best, probably why it is standard.
thanx and my pokemon are lv.50 because i dont use the cloning glitch like everybody else and usually my team is ready an hour after i beat the "weak"4!
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I don't use the cloning glitch either...so what's your final sceptile moveset gonna be???
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Old October 8th, 2007 (5:04 PM).
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thanx and my pokemon are lv.50 because i dont use the cloning glitch like everybody else and usually my team is ready an hour after i beat the "weak"4!
Umm... not all people with level 100s use cheats and glitches... e_e and cloning doesn't raise levels ...

Since this is in-game, not much help can be given unless you're using this Sceptile for competetive play. You should focus on IVs, EVs, and Natures...
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i know what evs are but what are ivs?and final sceptile moveset:leaf blade,arial ace,dragon claw and earthquake!
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That'd be handy if you were using Swords Dance. But not even Physical Sceptile is the best thing to use these days. It's all about SubSeeding or Sp. Sweeping.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (5:36 AM).
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i know what evs are but what are ivs?and final sceptile moveset:leaf blade,arial ace,dragon claw and earthquake!
No, No, No, and No.

Did you not read the movesets we gave you!? Please use those -_-;

I'm really gettin irritated.

There is no Physical Sweeping Sceptile. And half of your moves on Sceptile are physical. god. someone help this kid.

Now lets see how much your Sceptile is messed up.

1) Aerial Ace is physical, and therefore should not be on it.
2) Earthquake is physical, and therefore should not be on it.
3) No EVs
4) No IVs
5) No Item
6) Lack of Strategy since Sceptile can't really sweep.

Sceptile @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EV: 252 SpAtt / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Nature: Timid
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Thunderpunch/Dragon Claw/HP Fire/HP Ice
- Leaf Blade


Now lets see how much better this Sceptile is than yours.

1) Item works with Sceptile's strategy.
2) No physical moves.
3) Uses EVs
4) Uses IVs (invisible O_O)
5) Uses strategy effectively.

Wow, so many benefits.

Now I'm gonna explain SubSeeder's strategy:

Substitute is the key to SubSeeding. First you use it, then Leech Seed will kick in and drain HP from the opponent. You will gain HP recovery. Leftovers helps Sceptile recover more HP. Substitute takes HP from you, right? Well then, Leech Seed + Leftovers gives you an almost free Substitute! Its much better than Aerial Ace, Earthquake XP. The other moves are basically for sweeping purposes... NOW USE.
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BUT ARIAL ACE GOES GOOD WITH MY SCEPTILE BCUZ I TRAINED IT FOR SPEED EVS I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IVS ARE AND EARTHQUAKE IS FOR FIRE TYPES LIKE BLAZIKEN DUH
ITS ALOT BETTER THAN DIG OR ROCK TOMB!
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Oh my god... someone please tell this guy what he's doing wrong.

Aerial Ace with Speed EVs? What you just said made no sense at all. Aerial Ace on Sceptile will barely do any damage even if it is super-effective

Earthquake is pointless since Fire-types are rare in competetive and Blaziken can easily get OHKO'd with a non-ground attack.

Sceptile will barely do damage with physical moves so instead of being so stubborn, use the moveset we provided >:O
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MOST OF THOSE MOVES ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET!
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Leaf Blade - Level Up
Thunderpunch - Emerald Tutor
Dragon Claw - TM
Hidden Power - TM
Substitute - TM
Leech Seed - Egg

Yep... those are really impossible to get -_-;
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leech seed is out of the question i dont have enough bfpoints to get thunderpunch and most of those other ones are weak as ****!i sent you a p.m.!
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leech seed is out of the question i dont have enough bfpoints to get thunderpunch and most of those other ones are weak as ****!i sent you a p.m.!
Then use Dragon Claw instead T.T
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This is rediculous. There's no point in helping, but in an attempt to be more positive than before, I'll try.

Supereffective means nothing. It helps, but it is just icing on the cake. EQ for blaziken? It still isn't a blaziken counter, since sceptiler is OHKOed on the switch with any fire attack, probably even ember.

If you aren't using sceptile for subseeding, I just wouldn't use it. If you'd listen, you'd know that our moves aren't weak, but better than (lol) Aerial Ace. Aerial ace is pretty useless unless you gain STAB since its base power is horrid. Really, gengar and Zam are far better special sweepers and focus sash weavile with SD far outclasses physical sceptile.
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This is rediculous. There's no point in helping, but in an attempt to be more positive than before, I'll try.

Supereffective means nothing. It helps, but it is just icing on the cake. EQ for blaziken? It still isn't a blaziken counter, since sceptiler is OHKOed on the switch with any fire attack, probably even ember.

If you aren't using sceptile for subseeding, I just wouldn't use it. If you'd listen, you'd know that our moves aren't weak, but better than (lol) Aerial Ace. Aerial ace is pretty useless unless you gain STAB since its base power is horrid. Really, gengar and Zam are far better special sweepers and focus sash weavile with SD far outclasses physical sceptile.
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Well yeah, listen to APCW13 ... wow... even ur username abbreviated is really long xD...

SubSeeding is probably the ONLY way to use Sceptile - if you're gonna use (rofl) Earthquake and (roflmao) Aerial (lol) Ace, then mods might as well lock this thread since you aren't taking in any suggestions and staying with that messed up Sceptile of yours.

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Quite true...you ACTUALLY convinced me to post a few times. Kudos Penguin, it's tough to change my narrow-minded views.

Speaking of narrow-minded views...

Physical attacks just aren't good on sceptile. Sure, you can use the physical set, but...let's see what pulls SD off far better:

-rhyperior
-weavile
-garchomp
-zangoose
-armaldo
-Heracross

Just to name a few of the many.

As for the special sweeper set, sceptile doesn't have the power to pull it off, and starmie, Zam, and gengar special sweep FAR better.

Looks like its best as a subseeder. What a shocker. It has great speed to pull it off too. It really makes a nice subseeder...remember now, standards are standards for a reason, especially on pokemon like sceptile.
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Sceptile has the everloving Attack and movepool to pull off a physical Sweeper role.

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We've already clarified that:\

If you don't want to use it as a subseeder...there's a special attacker version, but it isn't as good.
SubSeeder has no type coverage. It's only good in the 4th gen, when noobs think that Offense > Defense for some reason. In this case, Offense whens.
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SubSeeder has no type coverage. It's only good in the 4th gen, when noobs think that Offense > Defense for some reason. In this case, Offense whens.
Have you ever actually battled a good player with a Subseeder Sceptile in 3rd gen? It doesn't seem like that because if you would have, you'd know it can be devastating. Subseeders don't necessarily need good offensive type coverage when they can slowly whittle down their opponent's health while the foe can't do anything. Besides, Leaf Blade hits quite a lot of stuff reasonably hard and depending on what your team needs to counter, Hidden Power Ice or Fire or Thunderpunch will cover other things that might be a threat to Sceptile.
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Have you ever actually battled a good player with a Subseeder Sceptile in 3rd gen? It doesn't seem like that because if you would have, you'd know it can be devastating. Subseeders don't necessarily need good offensive type coverage when they can slowly whittle down their opponent's health while the foe can't do anything. Besides, Leaf Blade hits quite a lot of stuff reasonably hard and depending on what your team needs to counter, Hidden Power Ice or Fire or Thunderpunch will cover other things that might be a threat to Sceptile.
I wasn't saying that; I'm talking more about the 3rd Gen crowd. They know how to counter SubSeed, as it was relatively common then. Why it pretty much disappeared this Gen, I'm not sure.
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oh my god.....................that sceptile...is so terrible...that it....BURNED MY EYES OUT
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