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Old October 8th, 2007 (7:40 PM).
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Here are my Bronzor's IV's:

HP:17
ATK:18
DEF:29
SP.A:11
SP.D:18
SPD:5

His moveset is this:

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Gyro Ball
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Explosion
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With low speed, Gyro Ball will be strong, and Light Screen handles SP.DEF. It is my physical wall.

However, I would like higher HP. Should I settle on this? And what is a good EV spread?

I am breeding more, but for now...
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Old October 8th, 2007 (7:51 PM).
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You don't have much luck with breeding do you?

Sorry for not contributing more but I'm not very good with walls EV spreads.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (7:55 PM).
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Ouch. Whats worse, I've been breeding for 3 weeks. I hate breeding.
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if you've been working for that bronzor for a while then you could try hitting up the trade section for something better.if not then just go with the one you have
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If only it had more HP...it'll be perfect.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (8:52 PM).
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Yeah...it needs to be better. I would trade you my best ditto since I don't need it anymore, but...my DS is in the repair shop and my diamond game was sold on ebay.

I suggest rebreeding...I know, snorezone, but it will pay off so much. That bronzong will be a nice parent though...you have to get those first anyways. Good luck breeding.
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As of now, I only need more HP, right?

Breeding for me is especially hard on everyone cept Pichu. Torterra had great IV's from the time he was my starter. But everyone else...

For Oddish, it HAD to be male, Calm, with good Hidden Power...ouch.

Hoothoot has two abilities, with only one that is useful. So thats a pain. Same goes for Zong. I hare breeding.
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So do I...try though. UJust needs more HP and you're a go! But yeah, that won't quite cut it...close though. the moveset seems okay. then agin, I've never used bronzong...
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Not an expert, but I think Bronzong is better in Sp. Atk. You can use Iron Defense and Calm Mind. Then you can use Psychic and Flash Cannon maybe. And, yeah, fix its HP a little, though both of its defenses plus what I just told you are excellent.
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#[email protected]%¡!∞%× Zong! How can every egg give me a bad nature &/or ability! I'm using the stupid Everstone Ditto trick! Arrrgggghh.

EDIT:Well, its ATK is superior to his SP.ATK. If I run SP.ATK, he needs Calm Mind. That doesn'tfit my team, though that is solid advice.
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I love Bronzong... I just really wish he could learn any kind of haze move, or at least Rapid Spin. All he's good for is setting up Reflect/Light Screen and Exploding.

I remember Cema used to have a Bronzong that dominated. Here's what I *think* it was, or some variation:

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Brave Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, [129 HP, 129 Def/SpDef]?
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Hypnosis

In order for this to work to the fullest potential, you must have the least possible Speed IVs you can get. Like 0... 4 at max. Gyro Ball, STABed, with completely maxed Attack, and the boost from the Speed factor, can really hurt. I remember it virtually OHKOed my Starmie, who otherwise resists it. Earthquake hits Metagross and company hard, Hypnosis is a support move, and Explosion for a grand finale.

The only problem this guy has is against slow players. Blissey takes mediocre damage from Gyro Ball, even with maxed Attack (because she's slow as all hell), and Earthquake doesn't scare her too much. But Explosion is enough to keep her away. Skarmory, on the other hand, walls this guy no matter what. It could be paired with Magnezone, to lure a Skarmory out.

Ideally, you'll want to switch him into a Thunder Wave. If I've done my math right, cutting his Speed in half just about doubles Gyro Ball's power, and I made the mistake of paralyzing Cema's Bronzong once. Gyro Ball went from not-so-scary to a jacked up 2KO on Blissey.

It makes a decent surprise, because no one expects a hap-hazard physical sweeping Bronzong, and since the only thing that really resists Steel is Water and Steel, he has fairly good type coverage.

Eh, just thought I'd throw this onto the table!
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See, Rapid Spin helps soooo much, since SR hurts my Raichu. Still, can that set still wall? My team has a major ICE weakness, so Zong was necessary. And I also needed a Stealth Rocker, to compliment my Noctowl.
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See, Rapid Spin helps soooo much, since SR hurts my Raichu. Still, can that set still wall? My team has a major ICE weakness, so Zong was necessary. And I also needed a Stealth Rocker, to compliment my Noctowl.
It walls, sure. His Defenses are great either way, but not as well as a more defensive Bronzong. It will regardless surprise the hell out of your opponent.

And actually, I just got an idea out of this. It's a mock-AgiliGross:

Bronzong @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Brave Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 6 Def/SpDef
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Trick Room

First, the EVs... in this case, HP is much more important than laying any in his Defenses. As is the case with most walls: you're supposed to max HP. And for this set, maxing Attack is obvious. Life Orb makes Gyro Ball insane, but Leftovers allows him to tank a bit more.

And now onto the moveset... everything was explained above, but I recalled he learned Trick Room. And, as far as I know, it doesn't directly affect Speed, so Gyro Ball's power wouldn't be reversed. Bronzong would just go first in, I'd say, every single solitary case. It's basically like Agility on Metagross. And it has the fortunate appeal of also supporting slower team members.

But once again, Skarmory walls him to no extent.

Just to cue you in on stats with this set, granted perfect IVs:
HP would be 338, Attack would be 304 (101 points below Metagross XD)
Both his Defense and Special Defense, with not a single EV, would end up at 267. Wherever you'd put the last 6 EVs, the stat would be 268. Respectable, I would say, since some sweepers can't reach that if you even max the stat. And with his insane amount of resistances, he can pull this off very well.If you have Wish support, the only thing this beast has to keep an eye out for are strong Fire attacks. And some (like Fire Blast from Garchomp, or Adamant Salamence) wouldn't dent him too badly.
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Welll, here is my latest Nor...

Bronzor
HP:21
ATK:28
DEF:29
SP.ATK: Doesn't Matter
SP.DEF:18
SPD:9

Ehhhhh...

Good enough, right?
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Welll, here is my latest Nor...

Bronzor
HP:21
ATK:28
DEF:29
SP.ATK: Doesn't Matter
SP.DEF:18
SPD:9

Ehhhhh...

Good enough, right?
I've used a Bronzong before, I used one with 25 IV's in HP and 22 IV's in Def and that was really enough to whip up a very good physical walling. The most important thing this ultimate steel type does is resist Stone Edge/Ice Beam that is usually run with the move Earthquake. Bronzong resists both those sweeper moves and takes them quite well. What you really need to focus on it getting Bronzongs Atk IV's above 25 and Spd IV's below 7 at least. (Also has to be Levitating.. UGGGHHHH THE PAIN! MINE IS ONLY HEATPROOF BECAUSE I got tired of breeding..)
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Welll, here is my latest Nor...

Bronzor
HP:21
ATK:28
DEF:29
SP.ATK: Doesn't Matter
SP.DEF:18
SPD:9

Ehhhhh...

Good enough, right?
Those ivs would be perfect for a physical wall.

I was going to ask how this was going. Did that Bronzor that i trade you help at all with high Def and Sp.Def Ivs ?
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Those ivs would be perfect for a physical wall.

I was going to ask how this was going. Did that Bronzor that i trade you help at all with high Def and Sp.Def Ivs ?
Oh God, yes. It cut breeding in half, with immediate results.
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Oh God, yes. It cut breeding in half, with immediate results.
Good Good. It looks like it passed on the Defense Ivs.

Anyways the Speed could be lower but it works, slap a Macho Brace on it to power up Gyro Ball if you want. However Leftovers would really be better.

I also despise breeding genderless pokemon as you cant replace males or females that you usually would to filter out the crap and pass on the good ivs.
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Can anyone suggest an EV spread for the Zong in the first post? Y'know, Relaxed.
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always 252 HP. then maybe some variation of def and attack. although the attack evs are not really worth it because all you have worth the attack is gyro ball, and that only makes it easier to wall. only time where gyro ball is necessary is against faster threats who don't resist it (which, if you think about it, isn't very many OU sweepers -- starmie has steel resist, gengar has hypnosis, etc) and you won't really need the attack evs in that instance (although, those IVs are not the best =/).
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Then I think EQ, but then he is walled by FLYing/Levitators.
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evs: 252 HP / 100 ATK / 108 DEF / 48 SPDEF
Relaxed Nature
ability: Levitate
- Reflect / Light Screen
- Hypnosis
- Earthquake
- Rest / Stealth Rock



Basically.

If you dont want a move on it that you see there then slap Gyro Ball in that slot. Id suggest you replace Hypnosis as you have Noctowl for that dont you ?
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But the rreason I have Zong is cause I need Stealth Rock, along with ICE resistance.
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But the rreason I have Zong is cause I need Stealth Rock, along with ICE resistance.
Whoops, *Edits previous Post* Sorry i seem to forgot that. However its there now, it works in place of rest.
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Thats an amazing set for me. Hey! You just took off Explosion! Still, I'm gonna use that set, replacing Hypnosis with Gyro Ball.
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