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Old October 18th, 2007 (6:09 PM).
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Here's my team. It has no tank, so please suggest one. Also, no egg moves. BTW, I'm not even using Gyarados, so no need to yell.

Gengar @ ???
Thunderbolt
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb

New addition. Great Special Sweeper, doesn't have an item though.

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Salamence @ ???
Dragon Claw
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
Stone Edge

Its moveset got a major overhaul. It doesn't have an item though.

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Scizor @ Shell Bell
Swords Dance
X-Scissor
Iron Head
Night Slash/Roost?

Same old, same old. It won't be as powerful with Roost, but Night Slash is weak anyway. What should I put?

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Azelf @ ???
Extrasensory (over psychic for PP)
Energy Ball
Flamethrower
Shadow Ball

GRRRRRREAT!!!! No item though. I actually haven't used it in battle yet.

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Magmortar @ Charcoal/Choice Scarf?
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Psychic

EEEEEEEVEN BETTER!!!! What item?

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Electivire @ ???
Thunderbolt/Thunderpunch
Earthquake
Brick Break
???/Giga Impact

Need help on the last move. Giga Impact?

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Yeah...this team fails. No acusations of flaming, 'k? Truth is, nothing on your team can take a hit. What ahppens when areodactyl (faster than all of your pokemon) and starts throwing EQs at you? Don't worry, it's more than capable of taking out Mence and gengar. Truth is, nothing on your team can take a hit, and you'll suffer for it. It also is tough to rate with NO EVs, NO natures, and NO egg moves? What? If you don't wanna breed, you're playin' the wrong game.

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Here's my team. It has no tank, so please suggest one. Also, no egg moves. BTW, I'm not even using Gyarados, so no need to yell.

Gengar @ Wide Lens / Focus Sash
Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Levitate

Thunderbolt
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

New addition. Great Special Sweeper, doesn't have an item though.

What? Isn't energy ball and Tbolt a tad...redundant? Sludge Bomb has terrible coverage.

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Salamence @ Choice Band
Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Intimidate

Dragon Claw
Aerial Ace / Crunch
Earthquake
Stone Edge

Its moveset got a major overhaul. It doesn't have an item though.

CBmence.

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Scizor @ Leftovers
Adamant / Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def
Swarm

Swords Dance
X-Scissor
Baton Pass
Agility

Same old, same old. It won't be as powerful with Roost, but Night Slash is weak anyway. What should I put?

If you REALLY want it to be a sweeper, give it agility and then max attack. Really, scizor is just a BPer, or can work with a CB set.

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Azelf @ ???
Extrasensory (over psychic for PP)
Energy Ball
Flamethrower
Shadow Ball

GRRRRRREAT!!!! No item though. I actually haven't used it in battle yet.

That "GRRRRRREAT" sweeper of yours is pretty bas w/o nasty plot. I'm not putting in the bold since my azelf knowledge is limited...but I DO know it needs nasty plot.

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Magmortar @ Choice Scarf / Life Orb
Hasty
252 Spd / 200 SAtk / 56 Atk
Flame Body

Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Focus Punch / WoW

EEEEEEEVEN BETTER!!!! What item?

Charcoal??? Nononononononono. The 10% boost is very poor, NEVER use those items. Psychic has horrible coverage. also, 3 special sweepers? No. Magmortar is in no way necessary on this team. Focus punch for bliss. My 1st shot at magmortar, so...

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Electivire @ Expert Belt
Hasty / lonely
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk...my EVs are wrong
Motor Drive

Thunderbolt
Earthquake
Cross Chop
Ice Punch

Need help on the last move. Giga Impact?

Giga impact? .................... Just never use any hyper beam type moves, 'k? Your set is flawed if it doesn't have ice punch...yes, an egg move.

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Yeah...no walls...no tank's gonna save this team. Nothing can take a hit, therefore you will get burnt. Scizor IS a tank BTW...but really, 3 special sweepers isn't very balanced. You're gonna need a physical wall and a special wall for two of those useless sweepers (since having THREE isn't needed at all).

There's my honest rate. I use honesty, don't take my advice as falming, I'm trying to help.

And BTW, sorry, but Vire CAN'T be good without egg moves.
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Yeah...this team fails. No acusations of flaming, 'k? Truth is, nothing on your team can take a hit. What ahppens when areodactyl (faster than all of your pokemon) and starts throwing EQs at you? Don't worry, it's more than capable of taking out Mence and gengar. Truth is, nothing on your team can take a hit, and you'll suffer for it. It also is tough to rate with NO EVs, NO natures, and NO egg moves? What? If you don't wanna breed, you're playin' the wrong game.

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Yeah...no walls...no tank's gonna save this team. Nothing can take a hit, therefore you will get burnt. Scizor IS a tank BTW...but really, 3 special sweepers isn't very balanced. You're gonna need a physical wall and a special wall for two of those useless sweepers (since having THREE isn't needed at all).

There's my honest rate. I use honesty, don't take my advice as falming, I'm trying to help.

And BTW, sorry, but Vire CAN'T be good without egg moves.
OH YA completely forgot about nasty plot XD it cant take a hit cuz i dont have a tank but i need one
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OH YA completely forgot about nasty plot XD it cant take a hit cuz i dont have a tank but i need one
Did you read a word I wrote? You don't necessarily need a tank, you need a special wall and a physical wall. your team is incredibly weak to the most common sweepers.
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True enough, and for your team, you will HAVE to remove 2 special sweepers, my votes go to Azelf and Magmortar for removal because one, legendaries aren;t allowed in many battles at all, whihc limits usage, and Magmortar is ugly plus Gengar has more coverage. Special Wall, im going to say either Milotic or Blissey, physical wall, go for Forrestress with Spikes and Rapid Spin, and tank probably, hmmm, Rhyperior anyone? Im crap with sets but that seems like a more well balanced team to me.
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Ah yes...and you have no heal beller, spinner, etc. Use CP's suggestions too. Forry is a great physical wall.
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So in the end added up thats Gengar Electivire Forrestress Milotic/Blissey Rhyperior Salamence Scizor, thats MUCH more balanced and fills all roles.
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So in the end added up thats Gengar Electivire Forrestress Milotic/Blissey Rhyperior Salamence Scizor, thats MUCH more balanced and fills all roles.
No wonder why; that's 7 pokemon :/
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Old October 18th, 2007 (7:03 PM).
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CRAP forgot to add that together right... Depends if you want Scizor for BPing purposes or Rhyperior for well, crushing everything purposes.
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CRAP forgot to add that together right... Depends if you want Scizor for BPing purposes or Rhyperior for well, crushing everything purposes.
I vote Rhyinferior. The CB version, if you give it focus punch, REALLY hurts skarm...with proper prediction of course.
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Old October 18th, 2007 (7:05 PM).
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Plus if you add in the ability Solid Rock, all super-effective moves are halved, it laughs at anything trying to EQ it.
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Plus if you add in the ability Solid Rock, all super-effective moves are halved, it laughs at anything trying to EQ it.
Not haved, but 1.66x effective instead of 2x effected. It still doesn't take EQ too well...and chainchomp dominates the new edition of this team.
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my votes go to Azelf and Magmortar for removal because one, legendaries aren;t allowed in many battles at all,
Actually, while Azelf is a Legendary, he's considered OU, meaning he's used fairly often. It's ubers that are banned.

Legend != Uber
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Really, stupid serebii lying abotu ti being halved. Seems odd that my Aerodactyl took out 1/5 HP on one using EQ though, although it was hacked, but the guy didnt know it and it had normal stats. And I am aware of that, but some people dont allow legendaries entirely in some battles, me included.
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Actually, while Azelf is a Legendary, he's considered OU, meaning he's used fairly often. It's ubers that are banned.

Legend != Uber
You mean legends AREN'T ubers? Eh, gengar fits this team well I guess. But meh, I'm rocking out to Queen right now, what do I know? An aromatherapist is needed, or WoW, Twave, and other annoying status conditions hurt. You would have to use bliss over milo.
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True, it makes more sense to use Blissey, I put Milotic in case he was a Blissey hater.
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So in the end added up thats Gengar Electivire Forrestress Milotic/Blissey Rhyperior Salamence Scizor, thats MUCH more balanced and fills all roles.
ok. ill get a blissey. Golem over rhyperior (i traded it away). Skarm over forret (i dont ave one) that might work
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GOLEM OVER RHYPERIOR! Keeping my temper down... Anyways no way that will work. One forretress is a must to spikes/rapid spin, and golem is not even a little bit as good as Rhyperior.
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oh and to clear confusion i called walls and tanks same my bad ill stop doing that now

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GOLEM OVER RHYPERIOR! Keeping my temper down... Anyways no way that will work. One forretress is a must to spikes/rapid spin, and golem is not even a little bit as good as Rhyperior.
*PANTS* how bout a rhydon i cant get a perior
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Golem can't attack like rhyperior...seriously. You're gonna need to use Inferior (rhyperior) or something else not named golem. Golem can't attack...ugh...and lol, without skarm, SR and spikes are gonna boil you.

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Tank-a pokemon that can take hits fairly well and dish them out too.

Wall-A pokemon thats sole purpose is to absorb attacks.

There ya go.

Really, just get the trading thing...or use something else. Rhydon isn't what it was in ADV
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Golem can't attack like rhyperior...seriously. You're gonna need to use Inferior (rhyperior) or something else not named golem. Golem can't attack...ugh...and lol, without skarm, SR and spikes are gonna boil you.

i guess a.....HELP ME OUT!!! need a bolky poweful rock type
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Ok, the team being suggested is still needed, the tank being Rhyperior to bowl over everything, walls being forretress and blissey. Bulky rock type being RHYPERIOR DUDE! Its the BEST rock type there is, well Aerodactyl is pretty sweet too, but still RHYPERIOR fits your team well too.
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i guess a.....HELP ME OUT!!! need a bolky poweful rock type
Read the edit. and I am helping you out. why the all capitalized...forget it. Why do you need a rock type? To get slaughtered by every physical sweeper in the OU metagame that carries EQ???

EDIT: CP, aero can't take a hit. you can run a 4 sweeper team, but you really should have either a special or physical tank.
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GOLEM OVER RHYPERIOR!? Keeping my temper down... Anyways no way that will work. One forretress is a must to spikes/rapid spin, and golem is not even a little bit as good as Rhyperior.
Jeese Chatot forgetting your question marks :P

Well if your so against Rypherior why not Swampert. He's not a rock type but in my quick look over your team Swampert seems to fit rather well especially if you go Blissey.
Cursepert? I don't know much about Swampert's use and I'm too lazy to really check but I blieve it has physical tanking possibilities.
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Swampert could work...as a defnsive attacker (tank...) would be greta for this team.
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