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Old October 19th, 2007 (11:45 AM). Edited October 20th, 2007 by Xairmo.
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Hypnosis

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Keen eye
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 DEF/252 HP/4 ATK
Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

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Adamant
Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch
Fire Puch
Ice Punch
Brick Break

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Jolly/Adamant
Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 def 4
Oytrage
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Earthquake

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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-rest
-Ice Shard


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Bold
252 HP, 252def, 6 SpD
Aromatherapy/Calm Mind
Seismic Toss/Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave/Ice beam
Softboiled
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Old October 19th, 2007 (11:56 AM).
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Psychic
???

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Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 DEF/252 HP/4 ATK
Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

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Adamant
Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch
Fire Puch
Ice Punch
Brick Break

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Jolly/Adamant
Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 def 4
Oytrage
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Earthquake

ninjask @ focus sash
Jolly
252 speed/ 252 attack/ 6 def
x scissor
swords dance
protect
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252 HP, 252def, 6 SpD
Aromatherapy/Calm Mind
Seismic Toss/Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave/Ice beam
Softboiled
Erm. Ghost and Psychic cover about the same thing..

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Trait: Levitate
Timid Nature
- Hypnosis
- Energy Ball/Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Hidden Power Flying. It's illegal to get both Drill Peck and Whirlwind.

Electrevire @ Focus Sash
Trait: Moor Drive
Lonely Nature
- Thunderbolt/Thunderpunch
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Focus Punch. Switch it in on a Electric Attack, and this guy's a beast.

Dragonite @ Leftovers/Yache Berry
Trait: Inner Focus
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake. Are me and Samson the only ones who put Yache Berry as an option on Dragonite?

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Bold Nature
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss. This is the standard Bliss. Ninjask looks fine, just change 6 Def to 6 HP.
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No it's not, breed a Fearow with Whirlwind and Drill Peck
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:00 PM).
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis

Focus Blast has better type coverage IMO.

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Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

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Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch/Thunderbolt
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Brick Break

Thunderbolt is a choice so you can counter SkarmBliss

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Jolly/Adamant
Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 def 4
Outrage
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Could be better, but its fine

ninjask @ focus sash
Jolly
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x scissor
swords dance
protect
baton pass

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252 HP, 252def, 6 SpD
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave/Ice beam
Softboiled

Calm Minda and T-bolt aren't good on Bliss. Stick to the normal set.
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:01 PM).
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No it's not, breed a Fearow with Whirlwind and Drill Peck
Ah. I see, chain breeding. It's just that it was illegal on NB.
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:07 PM).
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis / Hidden Power Ice

Psychic has terrible type coverage


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Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

good

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Adamant
Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Cross Chop

Cross Chop for Tyranitar, Blissey and Weavile, also Earthquake has great coverage as you should know.


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Jolly
Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 200 58 Hp
Outrage / Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch/Thunder Punch
Earthquake

ninjask @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 speed/ 252 attack/ 6 def
x scissor
swords dance
Substitute / protect
baton pass

Adamant >> Jolly as nothing will be faster than this anyway


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Aromatherapy /Ice Beam / Stealth Rock
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave
Softboiled
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@Itachi Drill Peck and Whilwind is legal as Spearow and evos get Whirlwind as an egg move now lol

Pidgey > Spearow > Skarmory
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:09 PM).
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hmm one of the main problems im having is i cant decide if dragonite shou;d be adamant or jolly natured...
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Yeah, that's a D/P change regarding Whirlwind + Drill Peck Skarmory, so it won't be in NB. Nonetheless nowadays that combination is legal, where as before it wasn't.
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hmm one of the main problems im having is i cant decide if dragonite shou;d be adamant or jolly natured...
Jolly, as you will outrun pokemon with base 130 speed after a single Dragon Dance. with adamant you wont.
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:13 PM).
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Jolly, as you will outrun pokemon with base 130 speed after a single Dragon Dance. with adamant you wont.
well i plan to yse ninjasks speed boost to dragonites advantage so if i let it speed boost a few turns then baton pass to adamant nit will it still outrun pokemon with a base speed stat of 130?

and to get drill peck and whirlwind skarm i breed pidgey with fearow the breed fearow with skarm? and does it matter which gender each one is?
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well i plan to yse ninjasks speed boost to dragonites advantage so if i let it speed boost a few turns then baton pass to adamant nit will it still outrun pokemon with a base speed stat of 130?

and to get drill peck and whirlwind skarm i breed pidgey with fearow the breed fearow with skarm? and does it matter which gender each one is?
Yeas but bear in mind if Ninjask dies due to the ever common Stealth Rock youll be in a mess.

Yes Male Pidgey/evo > Female Spearow/evo (untill you get a male spearow) then level up male spearow untill it learns Drill Peck and then breed it with a female Skarmory.
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Old October 19th, 2007 (12:22 PM).
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Yeas but bear in mind if Ninjask dies due to the ever common Stealth Rock youll be in a mess.

Yes Male Pidgey/evo > Female Spearow/evo (untill you get a male spearow) then level up male spearow untill it learns Drill Peck and then breed it with a female Skarmory.
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis / HP Ice

Psychic has horrid coverage :/

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Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 DEF/252 HP/4 ATK
Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

lol wut? No, it's fine

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Adamant
Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch
Fire Puch / EQ
Ice Punch
Cross Chop / EQ

Or you can use mixed Vire with Tbolt to beat skarm.

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Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 HP 4
Outrage
Dragon dance
Fire Punch / some other physical move worth using
Earthquake

DDnite is the pwnfulness.

ninjask @ focus sash
Jolly
252 speed/ 252 attack/ 6 def
x scissor
swords dance
protect
baton pass

Ninjask is rediculously easy to counter...I mean really. But if you want...

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252 HP, 252def, 6 SpD
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave
Softboiled

Yes.
Sup X? Nice team, editted it a bit. I'd take out ninjask and put in a rapid spinner and tank (same pokemon). That would do you good. OVerall pretty solid.
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Sup X? Nice team, editted it a bit. I'd take out ninjask and put in a rapid spinner and tank (same pokemon). That would do you good. OVerall pretty solid.
what would u suggest for the rapid spinner and tank?
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Timid
Levitate
Evs: Sp atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis

Ya - Wide Lens... O_O it helps Hypnosis AND Focus Blast out... xD

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Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 DEF/252 HP/4 ATK
Roost
Spikes
Drill Peck
Whirlwind

Standard XP

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Adamant
Motor Drive
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 hp 4
Thunder Punch
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Cross Chop

Thunderpunch and Icepunch takes care of most pokemon - Firepunch isn't the best deal.

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Inner Focus
Evs: Atk 252 speed 252 def 4
Oytrage
Thunder Punch
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

Fear DDnite >3 It multiplies ATTACK and SPEED by 1.5 which fixes up the SPEED loss.

ninjask @ focus sash
Adamant
252 speed/ 252 attack/ 6 def
x scissor
swords dance
protect
baton pass

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252 HP, 252def, 6 SpD
Stealth Rock
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave
Softboiled
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Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense
- Softboiled
- Calm Mind
- Thinderbolt
- Icebeam

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Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Substitute
- X Scissor
- Baton Pass
- Swords Dance

is another option
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what would u suggest for the rapid spinner and tank?
Forretress. that would mean getting rid of skarmory, but oh well. Then all you'd need is a PHazer...I smell suicune :)
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Old October 19th, 2007 (4:35 PM).
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Forretress. that would mean getting rid of skarmory, but oh well. Then all you'd need is a PHazer...I smell suicune :)
but i have no acces to suicune =/
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but i have no acces to suicune =/
there are hundreds of PHazers, and a few Hazers. Swampert is a nice PHazer and great overall tank.
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there are hundreds of PHazers, and a few Hazers. Swampert is a nice PHazer and great overall tank.
*tears* but i love my pokes
im not sure if i wanna get rid of ninjask cuz hes gonna be quite useful imo
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Gengar is probably a PHazer since Hypnosis is most likely gonna cause a switch.

Though I wouldn't call it a real PHazer... O_O
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Gengar is probably a PHazer since Hypnosis is most likely gonna cause a switch.

Though I wouldn't call it a real PHazer... O_O
okay, but what about ninjask, whould i keep it or switch it?
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Donphan is another good Tank with Rapid Spin, access to Stealth Rock, and has Ice Shard to take out some (severly weakened) rampaging dragons...

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EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
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Donphan is another good Tank with Rapid Spin, access to Stealth Rock, and has Ice Shard to take out some (severly weakened) rampaging dragons...

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Yeah, donphan works over Forry. Gengar isn't really a PHazer...sorta, but...

Really, I'd get rid of ninjask...why?

Foe sent out ninjask!
You send out random pokemon!

Random pokemon, return!
Go skarmory!

Ninjask used Swords Dance!
Ninjask's speed boost raised its speed!

Ninjask used baton pass!
Go marawak!

Skarmory used roar!

Tough luck...

roar breaks subs too. In other words, ninjask is rediculously easy to counter. I'd just use a tank.
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Ice Shard also breaks Ninjask :P

Ninjask always uses Protect first so it can get a parallel Protect on the third turn after it's Swords Dance.

I think Roar/Whirlwind is good for Ninjask, but the Ninjask can always set up the stats up again if you havent' damaged it in any sort of way (Stealth Rock is death sentence for Ninjask)
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Haze>Ninjask.
Roar>Ninjask
Whirlwind>Ninjask

Even if ninjask sets up on you after your hazer is dead, it isn't very scary since you can taunt it...or just give it a taste of attacking.
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