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This is my Noctowl, I'm kinda famous for it:

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EV:252 HP, 120 SP.DEF, 70 SPF, 68 SP.ATK (If I choose Air Slash)

She is my team's Sleep inducer, Reflect caster, and Shuffler. She has worked wonders on my team. I'm having trouble with EV's, and if Night Shade is better than Air Shade...
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EV:252 HP, 120 SP.DEF, 70 SPF, 68 SP.ATK (If I choose Air Slash)

She is my team's Sleep inducer, Reflect caster, and Shuffler. She has worked wonders on my team. I'm having trouble with EV's, and if Night Shade is better than Air Shade...
Air Shade? XD, but I personally think that Air Slash is better.
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This is my Noctowl, I'm kinda famous for it:

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Reflect
Whirlwind
EV:252 HP, 120 SP.DEF, 70 SPF, 68 SP.ATK (If I choose Air Slash)

She is my team's Sleep inducer, Reflect caster, and Shuffler. She has worked wonders on my team. I'm having trouble with EV's, and if Night Shade is better than Air Shade ?? LOL ...
You can shove Roost on it if you want, to make it last a bit longer.

You might want to take a few evs out of Sp.Att and put them into Def or Sp.Def, because lets face it its's not going to sweep is it lol

I dont know ...... 252 HP / 190 SP.DEF / 68 DEF just to make it a bit more Bulky.

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You can shove Roost on it if you want, to make it last a bit longer.

You might want to take a few evs out of Sp.Att and put them into Def or Sp.Def, because lets face it its's not going to sweep is it lol

I dont know ...... 252 HP / 190 SP.DEF / 68 DEF just to make it a bit more Bulky.

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[Yeah, I was also thinking of Roost. But I think he prefers at least one attacking move.B][/B]
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Yeah, its not sweeping, but after Reflect, you will need a serious hit to OHKO it-it survived a Stone Edge in the yellow. I was hoping it could be fast enough to set up Reflect.

It's base SP.ATK is a single point higher than Blissey. So either Night Shade or Air SLASH!!!
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[Yeah, I was also thinking of Roost. But I think he prefers at least one attacking move.B][/B]
No i didnt mean replace its attacking move.


If you use Roost, it cancels out its Ice / Electric weakness on the turn you use it, so this might be something to consider.


EDIT : It will get walled by normal types if you use Night Shade, Air Slash gets STAB. So its your call
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No i didnt mean replace its attacking move.


If you use Roost, it cancels out its Ice / Electric weakness on the turn you use it, so this might be something to consider.
Oh. I see, you meant to replace one if it's defensive moves. I would replace Whirlwind if you don't have something like Skarm on the Team. Edit: adding to Dark's comment, Shadow Ball on Curselax=dominated.
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No i didnt mean replace its attacking move.


If you use Roost, it cancels out its Ice / Electric weakness on the turn you use it, so this might be something to consider.


EDIT : It will get walled by normal types if you use Night Shade, Air Slash gets STAB. So its your call
IV wise, Hoothoot has 20 SP.ATK IV's.
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Oh. I see, you meant to replace one if it's defensive moves. I would replace Whirlwind if you don't have something like Skarm on the Team.
Yeah but he could also take Hypnosis off it. I dunno it kinda needs Whirlwind to Psuedo Haze and stop stat uppers .

I know you have a Bronzong which can learn Hypnosis instead of this.


EDIT: My Regice has 12 Sp.Att Ivs and it 2HKO'D a Slowbro with Thunderbolt (non critical hit). If its not going to sweep then its attack Ivs dont matter, its more of a support pokemon.
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Naw, Brozong set is full, can't hold Hypnosis.

However, I will consider Roost.

Should I remove all SPEED IV's?
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Naw, Brozong set is full, can't hold Hypnosis.

However, I will consider Roost.

Should I remove all SPEED IV's?
I don't think you can remove IV's, unless you mean EV's.
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Old October 20th, 2007 (3:41 PM). Edited October 20th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Oh. I see, you meant to replace one if it's defensive moves. I would replace Whirlwind if you don't have something like Skarm on the Team. Edit: adding to Dark's comment, Shadow Ball on Curselax=dominated.
In third Gen lol

Also I dont think Ghost attacks effect normal types.If thats what you meant unless i misunderstood


EDIT: Sims, well does it need to out run anything if its a support pokemon? I wouldnt know but things near its base speed may be vital for you to outrun so you can get a reflect up for Example Tyranitar. However i wouldnt know as i dont use noctowl, although its tempting after ive seen its huge Hp and good Special defense.
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Oh, yeah, EV's. I didn't start training this new Hoothoot.

So should I remove SPD EV's?
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In third Gen lol

Also I dont think Ghost attacks effect normal types.If thats what you meant unless i misunderstood


EDIT: Sims, well does it need to out run anything if its a support pokemon? I wouldnt know but things near its speed may be vital for you to outrun so you can get a reflect up. However i wouldnt know as i dont use noctowl, however its rempting after ive seen its huge Hp and good Special defense.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Ghost Types don't affect Flying. I didn't know what I was talking about there. XD. If the "SPF" means Speed, Sims, then I wouldn't. But he does have respectible Defenses, still he won't be able to survive long enough to OHKO his counter, my vote is a no.
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Also I dont think Ghost attacks effect normal types.If thats what you meant unless i misunderstood


EDIT: Sims, well does it need to out run anything if its a support pokemon? I wouldnt know but things near its speed may be vital for you to outrun so you can get a reflect up. However i wouldnt know as i dont use noctowl, however its tempting after ive seen its huge Hp and good Special defense.
So minor Speed IV's:

252 HP/120 SP.DEF/48 SPD/60 SP.ATK/30 DEF?
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So minor Speed IV's:

252 HP/120 SP.DEF/48 SPD/60 SP.ATK/30 DEF?
Yeah use that one

Or

252 HP / 190 SP.DEF / 68 DEF for Bulky.

Anyways its up to you, its your Noctowl.
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Yeah use that one

Or

252 HP / 190 SP.DEF / 68 DEF for Bulky.

Anyways its up to you, its your Noctowl.
I might go with Bulky.

However, I might stick with Night Shade. Can't relearn Night Shade.
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I might go with Bulky.

However, I might stick with Night Shade. Can't relearn Night Shade.
It's all up to you. Your Noctowl. Just wait for other suggestions to pop up, and see what you like best. Bleach might find a good set.
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I might go with Bulky.

However, I might stick with Night Shade. Can't relearn Night Shade.
Just be careful with Night Shade, you'll get walled by Normal Types.


EDIT: Saying that you can whirlwind them away so maybe Night Shade is better !!


EDIT 2 : Goodness i cant believe it learns Sky Attack by move re-learner 0_O, How strange .
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Ah, but there aren't that many Normal type theats in OU...plus, they can be blown away.
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Ah, but there aren't that many Normal type thats in OU...plus, they can be blown away.
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Ah, but there aren't that many Normal type theats in OU...plus, they can be blown away.
Point Taken. For Azelf anyways. Night Shade doesn't do much damage, doesn't get STAB, it just does the maxium amount of Seismic Toss when at level 100. Same thing. Except that Seismis Toss is popular on Bliss, so it's a good move. It hits all types, which is a good thing. But doesn't hit anything Super Effective...
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Thats the dilema. Lemme do some calculations...

EDIT: Ok, I found out with no EV's, and 20 IV's, Noctowl (Olren) max SP.ATK will be 176. Good enough?
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Thats the dilema. Lemme do some calculations...

EDIT: Ok, I found out with no EV's, and 20 IV's, Noctowl (Olren) max SP.ATK will be 176. Good enough?
You could make him a Special Sweeper with Agility.. I just thought of this...
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Noctowl really can't sweep...it's kinda like using mence as your wall :/

I say either one is fine, I prefer night shade.
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