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Old October 20th, 2007 (10:21 PM). Edited October 20th, 2007 by Lumine.
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Umbreon **Phantoma** @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/ 252 DEF/ 6 SPDEF
Synchronize
-Wish
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-Confuse Ray
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Old October 20th, 2007 (10:58 PM).
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Newly bred and trained from my brothers diamond
Umbreon **Phantoma** @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/ 252 DEF/ 6 HP
Synchronize
-Wish
-Toxic
-Baton Pass
-Confuse Ray
you put Hp EVs twice
other then that, it looks pretty good to me. Wish-passer and can inflict poison and confusion. pretty sweet defense and Sp defense
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Old October 20th, 2007 (11:00 PM).
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Woops SpDef my bad lol nice eyes XD I was thinking swagger or curse mix but I cant be bothered raising a new one since this ones got perfect IVs in Def
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Old October 20th, 2007 (11:04 PM).
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Woops SpDef my bad lol nice eyes XD I was thinking swagger or curse mix but I cant be bothered raising a new one since this ones got perfect IVs in Def
hmmmm im not a big fan of swagger on umbreon nut curse>confuse ray imo
but if it has a perfect def ivs theres no need to raise a new one cuz u have a pretty good moveset, evs, and ivs
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Old October 21st, 2007 (8:50 AM). Edited October 21st, 2007 by Azonic.
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Your Umbreon has Baton Pass but it doesn't have anything to Pass with O_O you don't need Baton Pass to Pass Wish.

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- Mean Look
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- Swagger / Confuse Ray / Substitute / Taunt / Curse / Yawn

There ya go. Umbreon is always a TrapPasser. It can trap the opponent in confusion or Baton Pass a Sub / Curse. Taunt stops Phazers that wall Umbreon. Wish is nice since the next pokemon sent out will get a half HP restore AND a Stat Boost / Trap / Sub.
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Itachi is right. You cannot have both Toxic & Confuse Ray without Mean Look. All I must do is switch out. Ends confusion and turns Toxic into plain boring Poison.
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Itachi is right. You cannot have both Toxic & Confuse Ray without Mean Look. All I must do is switch out. Ends confusion and turns Toxic into plain boring Poison.
Wait... what? Itachi didn't even post in this thread <.<;

ToxiTrapping is pretty bad since when most trainers sense a Toxic - they'd send out Heracross to get GUTS boost and to wall Umbreon's Taunt.

EDIT: o and btw - Wish don't need to be Baton Passed, Xairmo e_e
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Old October 21st, 2007 (12:41 PM).
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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Bold/Impish Nature
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Wish
- Yawn/Curse. No matter what, he's not meant to have an attacking move.
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Old October 21st, 2007 (2:12 PM).
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instead of confuse ray put MEAN LOOK!!!!
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Old October 21st, 2007 (3:15 PM).
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Confuse Ray is complete hax move, don't use it
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Old October 21st, 2007 (4:49 PM).
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Confuse Ray is a great move, but some people prefer Moonlight over Wish. It's all a matter of prefrence, and which way you decide to utilize Umbreons uber defenses.
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Seems pretty good to me. Wish is good, but in my opinion Moonlight would probably be better. I'd also at least have one offensive attack so just in case, in battle, it can defend itself in case some of those moves like Confuse Ray or Toxic fail. (Like if you're fighting a Pokemon that can't be confused or poisoned) It would really suck if your Umbreon ended up being the last Pokemon in the battle and couldn't poison/confuse.

This is just my opinion. Sorry if it doesn't help, I'm probably not very good at move setups. I'm just saying what I think would work.
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Old October 22nd, 2007 (6:50 AM).
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Your Umbreon has Baton Pass but it doesn't have anything to Pass with O_O you don't need Baton Pass to Pass Wish.

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EVs: 252 HP / 172 Defense / 80 Special Defense
- Wish
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Swagger / Confuse Ray / Substitute / Taunt / Curse / Yawn

There ya go. Umbreon is always a TrapPasser. It can trap the opponent in confusion or Baton Pass a Sub / Curse. Taunt stops Phazers that wall Umbreon. Wish is nice since the next pokemon sent out will get a half HP restore AND a Stat Boost / Trap / Sub.
Ill go with that thanks Penguin, and no I dont think Confuse Ray is hax sort of like move
so movesets will be something like
-Wish
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Yawn? I like to annoy my opponents =P

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Yawn can force switches. Its ok, I guess.

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A good moveset would be.
Recover
Psychic
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A good moveset would be.
Recover
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Are you being serious or just joking around? I cant tell
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Old October 22nd, 2007 (8:07 AM). Edited October 22nd, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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A good moveset would be.
Recover
Psychic
Night Shade
Hyperbeam
Good Lord, no it wouldnt.

1.Hyper Beam fails ON ANY POKEMON due to the recharge and sets you for a revenge kill, in this case close combat.
2.Psychic has horrible type coverage.
3.Umbreon cant learn Night Shade OR Recover.
4.Umbreon's OFFENSES ARE FAIL (Unless it gets STAB e.g Dark Pulse or Payback which can 2hko Azelf and Gengar or other weak psychic/Ghosts) !!
5.Do some research on competitive battling please, infact pokemon and movesets in general, because if he was a n00b your advise would hurt him.
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A good moveset would be.
Recover
Psychic
Night Shade
Hyperbeam
No. This would never work. I'd resay everything that Dark_Azelf has said, but I think by now you get the point. >_> Even a moron like myself who probably isn't the best person at doing this crap knows that this is bound to fail. (especially since two of the moves can't even be learned O_O)
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*cough* Confuse Ray = HORRIBLE move. Hax move really.

Wish Passing Umbreon or Curse Umbreon makes great choices
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Old October 22nd, 2007 (2:13 PM).
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A good moveset would be.
Recover
Psychic
Night Shade
Hyperbeam
..............see this is why anti-pop left isn't it?

i believe Dark_Azelf has already said all that needs to be said but wow, just wow

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-Substitute / Yawn / Toxic <---Im still thinking about this any suggestion guys?
Unfortunately with Umbreon, if its your last pokemon you end up flapping around with no attacking moves. People sometimes run Payback or Dark Pulse just for that reason alone, it 2HKO's Azelf and Gengar and other weak Psychics and ghosts. Curse and Taunt are also opions, Taunt is to stop Skarmory from Whilrwinding you away once you have trapped it, it has no other real use apart from that, so its up to you. Although you may want to put Toxic with mean look, however i wouldn't suggest it this gen due to Steel types being common.
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Unfortunately with Umbreon, if its your last pokemon you end up flapping around with no attacking moves. People sometimes run Payback or Dark Pulse just for that reason alone, it 2HKO's Azelf and Gengar and other weak Psychics and ghosts. Curse and Taunt are also opions, Taunt is to stop Skarmory from Whilrwinding you away once you have trapped it, it has no other real use apart from that, so its up to you. Although you may want to put Toxic with mean look, however i wouldn't suggest it this gen due to Steel types being common.
Its really rare though, but I guess for now the EV spread are looking nice, and now that you said something about an attacking move Im reconsidering its movesets -__-, Taunt is alright but unreliable sometimes cause people tried taunting my Gengar and Salamence and I consider that a waste of move and I dont want to do the same thing, if you can anticipate things right Toxic plays well
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Old October 23rd, 2007 (5:33 AM). Edited October 23rd, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Its really rare though, but I guess for now the EV spread are looking nice, and now that you said something about an attacking move Im reconsidering its movesets -__-, Taunt is alright but unreliable sometimes cause people tried taunting my Gengar and Salamence and I consider that a waste of move and I dont want to do the same thing, if you can anticipate things right Toxic plays well
Your EV spread is for the mixed tank or you can alternately Put 252 into HP and 252 into whichever defense you want Umbreon to be more adept at taking blows from. The remaining 6 points should go into whichever defensive stat didn't get the bulk of the EVs.



EDIT:Taunt isnt a waste of a move if you know how to properly use it, it takes prediction to work, its best on Gyarados and Tyranitar IMO so you can Dragon Dance up. However i see your point it may not benefit Umbreon.
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