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Old October 27th, 2007 (6:39 AM).
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Can someone help me with my team, please?
I'll list it. PM me if you need to.

- Garchomp, Lv. 100, Brave
Dig
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge
Earthquake

- Dragonite, Lv. 100, Mild
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake

- Salamence, Lv. 100 Modest
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake

- Altaria, Lv. 100, Naughty
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Fly
Earthquake

- Kingdra, Lv. 100, Gentle
Rain Dance
Waterfall
Ice Beam
Surf

- Flygon, Lv. 100, Timid
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake
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Old October 27th, 2007 (6:40 AM).
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if ur going for a dragon team thats great

but you have a HUGE ice weakness

and this should be in stratagies and mevesets topic

try to vary you team
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Old October 27th, 2007 (6:51 AM).
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For a start i think you should remove Fly and Dig cause that gives other trainers a oppotunity to change pokemon, earthquake you or thunder you

and they aint very powerfull anyway

Surf id probally one of the powerfullest HM move so only use surf if any
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Old October 27th, 2007 (6:55 AM).
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Yes get surf and some electric or fire moves too there helpfull against any ice or water with ice.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (7:01 AM).
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1) Wrong place. This belongs in Strategies and Movesets.
2) This team fails. An all Dragon team will be raped by Ice Beam.
3) Those Natures are awful. Modest on a Physical Salamence? What the hell are you thinking?
4) Levels are irrrelevent. Wifi sets the level to 100, so it doesn't matter.
5) Where are your EVs? An un-EV'd team, especially combined with those horrid natures, is doomed to failure.
6) Dig, Fly, or any other move that takes two turns to use are terrible. Please never use them.
7) Two or more moves of the same type on a single Pokemon is BAD. Give them some versatility, please.

From taking a quick glance at your team, I'd have to say it is just plain awful. Scrap it entirely.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (7:20 AM).
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I take this as a casual battle team made from in-game? Even so, your type coverage is horrible. (Stone Edge on 4 Pokes?)

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Old October 27th, 2007 (7:48 AM).
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Yarr! I Dragon team! Me best hearty, Captain Drake's got those! :)
I'd say to get rid of yarr Garchomp's Dig, and maybe replace a Dragon Claw er two! That's all I got, I'm not much of a battler!
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Old October 27th, 2007 (8:00 AM).
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1) Wrong place. This belongs in Strategies and Movesets.
2) This team fails. An all Dragon team will be raped by Ice Beam.
3) Those Natures are awful. Modest on a Physical Salamence? What the hell are you thinking?
4) Levels are irrrelevent. Wifi sets the level to 100, so it doesn't matter.
5) Where are your EVs? An un-EV'd team, especially combined with those horrid natures, is doomed to failure.
6) Dig, Fly, or any other move that takes two turns to use are terrible. Please never use them.
7) Two or more moves of the same type on a single Pokemon is BAD. Give them some versatility, please.
Completely what I was thinking of when I saw the first post.

but one more thing...

8)They're not holding any items?
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Old October 27th, 2007 (8:04 AM).
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Yarrgh! The natures don't give boosts by an immense amount of power, lad, but it's the attacks that count is what I always say! Harharhar!
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Old October 27th, 2007 (8:06 AM).
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Yarrgh! The natures don't give boosts by an immense amount of power, lad, but it's the attacks that count is what I always say! Harharhar!
First off, that's terrible advice. The Natures are extremely important factors in a battle, and should never be overlooked.

Second, the pirate dialect is kind of annoying.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (9:14 AM).
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First off, that's terrible advice. The Natures are extremely important factors in a battle, and should never be overlooked.

Second, the pirate dialect is kind of annoying.
Yarr! You make battling seem as if it is your life. It's not. And it is still 80% chance, or more, that you may still win if you have a bad nature but still have good attacks.

I don't care, lad.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (9:17 AM). Edited October 27th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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[BAD ADVICE] Yarr! You make battling seem as if it is your life. It's not. And it is still 80% chance, or more, that you may still win if you have a bad nature but still have good attacks.

I don't care, lad. [/BAD ADVICE]
LOL at you

For example Bashful/Sucky Nature Metagross has 369 max attack. Whilst good natured Adamant Metagross gets 405.


Do the Math. Even if ye have Good attacks, it means nothing as ye wont put a dent in anything ARRRRGG !!
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Old October 27th, 2007 (9:25 AM).
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Yarr! You make battling seem as if it is your life. It's not. And it is still 80% chance, or more, that you may still win if you have a bad nature but still have good attacks.

I don't care, lad.
Cut it out. This is a battle help forum. So don't go here saying "you act like its your life". Thats not helpful. At least he gives good USEFUL advice.

Natures are important. A person with a team of good natures & movesets will slaughter those without. For instance, Raichu's max SPEED with a neutral nature is 299. Max with benificial nature is 328.

If your advice isn't so good, don't give it. It only hurts the one in need.

Lastly, please stop the pirate talk. It is very annoying, and very spammy. You will get in trouble if you continue, So I give you fairvwarning before the mods come.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (9:34 AM).
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- Garchomp, Lv. 100, Jolly,Adament
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

- Dragonite, Lv. 100, Jolly
Dragon Claw
Thunder Punch
Earthquake

- Salamence, Lv. 100 Modest/Rash
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower

- Altaria, Lv. 100, Naughty
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Ice Beam
Earthquake

- Kingdra, Lv. 100, Modest
Rain Dance
Surf

- Flygon, Lv. 100, Jolly
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

The ones in Bold are my choices,i don't know what to do with the rest,so yeah.
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Old October 27th, 2007 (9:50 AM). Edited October 27th, 2007 by Dark Azelf.
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Can someone help me with my team, please?
I'll list it. PM me if you need to.

- Garchomp, Lv. 100, [email protected] Orb / leftovers
252 speed / 252 ATT / 6 HP
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast (For Skarmory)
Earthquake

- Dragonite, Lv. 100, Mild @Leftovers / Life Orb
252 ATT /190 SPEED / 68 HP
Dragon Claw / Outrage
Dragon Dance
Thudner / Fire Blast (See above for why)
Earthquake

- Salamence, Lv. 100 [email protected] Specs
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Draco Meteor
Hydro pump
Dragon pulse
Fire Blast




Altaria

name: Dragon Dancer
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Dragon Claw / Dragon Rush
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Roost / Rest / Aerial Ace / Sky Attack
item: Life Orb / Power Herb

nature: Adamant
evs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd

or

Altaria

name: Defensive
move 1: Roost / Rest
move 2: Toxic / Sing
move 3: Dragon Claw / Aerial Ace
move 4: Earthquake
item: Leftovers

nature: Careful
evs: 244 HP / 212 Def / 52 SpDef




- Kingdra, Lv. 100, [email protected]/Life Orb
252 SP.ATT / 16 SPEED / 240 HP
Draco Meteor / Dragon pulse
Surf
Ice Beam
Rain Dance

- Flygon, Lv. 100, Jolly @Life Orb
252 speed / 252 att / 6 hp
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast (For see above)
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Goodness pick one or 2 Dragons at most and get more type variation, or youll be ripped apart by Choice Scarf Garchomp and Starmie etc.
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clearly yu dont care about natures. your team is killed by ice, period
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Old October 27th, 2007 (12:01 PM).
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omigosh this team has no weaknesses -_-;

5 / 6 of your team is destroyed by a fast Icebeamer
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Old October 27th, 2007 (1:37 PM).
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omigosh this team has no weaknesses -_-;

5 / 6 of your team is destroyed by a fast Icebeamer
Froslass comes to mind.

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Old October 27th, 2007 (1:39 PM).
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Froslass?O_o Starmie,ScarfPory-Z comes to mind..
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Old October 27th, 2007 (1:52 PM).
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Froslass?O_o Starmie,ScarfPory-Z comes to mind..
Good choices, although Froslass has a STAB'd Ice Beam.

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Old October 27th, 2007 (2:04 PM).
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If you intend on using this team in competitive battles, you should probably switch some members. All Dragon's not gonna help at all, but here's some move advice if you really plan on keeping the same exact Pokemon on the team (even if I'm not really an expert).


- Garchomp, Lv. 100, Brave
Dig
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge
Earthquake

It's either Dig or Earthquake. Pick one and erase the other for something else. Stone Edge'll help with the Ice types, and on offense it seems pretty well off movewise. Perhaps a defensive move if not a decent fire move; Stone Edge won't do enough damage to dual Ice types like Piloswine.

- Dragonite, Lv. 100, Mild
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Fly's not a very good move. Doesn't do enough damage and makes you extra vulnerable to Thunder. Dragonite's a pretty varied Pokemon. It can learn several moves other than those of it's type. Like before, a fire move wouldn't hurt. And, somewhere in the team you could throw in a unique move to maximize the amount of types you cover. Dragonite can learn Thunderbolt, and so far you have nothing good against Water...

- Salamence, Lv. 100 Modest
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Yet again, Fly's a bit risky. Areial Ace of some other Fling move would work just as well, if not better. Salamene is a strong attacker. Try to give it one or two moves that'll put down a ton of damage when you need it, and of different types to cover the majority of foes. Yet again, Ice is a porblem that fire could help with.

- Altaria, Lv. 100, Naughty
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Fly
Earthquake

Fly again... At this point, it's like each Pokemon is just a copy of the last one, with a bit of difference it stats! They shouldn't all have the same moves; or you may as well have a team of six Dragonites with Fly, Earthquake, Stone Edge, and Dragon Claw! By the way, I do believe Altaria can learn some varied moves. Considering you can't do any status problems at this point, re-teaching it Sing wouldn't be a bad idea.

- Kingdra, Lv. 100, Gentle
Rain Dance
Waterfall
Ice Beam
Surf

Right here is when the team has an at least decent, less just "I'm usin' all Dragons! WHOO!" feeling. As for the move set, get rid of surf or waterfall now. You only get one. If you're doing double battles, get rid of surf since it'll hurt your side as well. If not, get rid of waterfall. Two water attacks is completely unnecessary. Kingdra's a useful Pokemon since it's only weakness if Dragon, but it can be good on offense as well. Teach it a move that's unique to it's type, in the place of the forgottem Water HM. Also, keep Rain Dance. It could come in handy if you need to change the weather, or need a boost on water attacks.

- Flygon, Lv. 100, Timid
Dragon Claw
Fly
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Here we are again with the same situation as before. If you've read the others, you'll understand how the same works here.


These things are only meant to help if you really, really want to keep these same members. But, even with this (or even better advice), this team NEEDS some variety in type if you EVER hope to do anything in competitive battles. Better natures wouldn't hurt either...
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NO! Why do you have 5 pokemon with earthquake!? But that's besides the point. At least have a dragon THEMED team or you are destroyed by: 1:Possibly ice punch electivire. 2: Froslass. 3: Starmie. And 4:Possibly blastoise. Recommendation:Fraligater for kingdra, charzard for altaria and get rid of earthquake on altaria!
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Hey. Thanks for all the help, everyone.
I only use an "all dragon" team because I'm a leader on the other site I'm on.
Well I'm gonna try to pay more attention to natures, from now on. (It's even in my signature.)
Thanks again. :)
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The topic poster probably came here so he could get a better moveset. Not lectured by competitive battlers who IMHO, waste time getting IVs and EVs.

You people are nasty. You're like a mechanical company who refuses to service someone's car because you don't like the look of a customer.
Meh. That doesn't matter. As long as it's not personal, I'm content to take any kind of criticism.
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First off, that's terrible advice. The Natures are extremely important factors in a battle, and should never be overlooked.

Second, the pirate dialect is kind of annoying.*
I overlook them because they do not matter to me. If I asked for a better moveset, would you give it to me?

The topic poster probably came here so he could get a better moveset. Not lectured by competitive battlers who IMHO, waste time getting IVs and EVs.

You people are nasty. You're like a mechanical company who refuses to service someone's car because you don't like the look of a customer. Just give him a moveset that is better aswell as some passing advice about how awful his team is for competitive battling. If he cares enough he'll make effort to waste time for it. Otherwise he'll be scared away from competitive battling community...

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