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Started by Romance Hero November 6th, 2007 11:45 AM
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Posted September 7th, 2008
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this is no offines to anyone

i think smoking is just plain stupid and if u smoke why do u want to throw away your life like that
people that smoke and think there cool are just plain retared "Look at me im smoking!its so cool that im killing myself!!!!"
Even though you have a right to speak as much as anyone else here, I'll disregard your statement, as it is not very outspeaking, is blatant, and on a side note, you're age does not make you debate material. Add a little to this, why you would think this way. But until then, if someone else read this, they would think that you spoke in an echo of other people who dislike smoking.

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Strong Island
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Even though you have a right to speak as much as anyone else here, I'll disregard your statement, as it is not very outspeaking, is blatant, and on a side note, you're age does not make you debate material. Add a little to this, why you would think this way. But until then, if someone else read this, they would think that you spoke in an echo of other people who dislike smoking.
I agree with that, but opinions like that off of the young people is good to listen to... I mean most of 'em aren't ready for real hardcore debates since they don't know how to think that critically or experience much in their own lives... sorta like how a kid has blind religious faith.


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jwilso72 in terms of moderation... when people indulge in things that can be harmful in larger amounts, it is best to enjoy a small bit... 1 cigarette once in awhile won't seal your fate, but a pack a day CAN... keyword CAN because it also goes down to a person's health and genetic background... some people's bodies are strong and can repel toxins and cancer cells better than others, that's a proven fact. Anything and everything can be harmful to us.... too much time in front of a computer monitor can give you eye-cancer, for example. Smoking is a bad habit to some, an addiction to others. So are you saying that in terms of moderation, every puff inflicts permanent damage? That's not the case. a body is not made of glass.
I would like to point out that your belief that looking at a computer monitor can give you 'eye-cancer' is completely incorrect.. and practically impossible. A monitor doesn't give out any harmful wavelengths of light or has the ability to mutate cells. Looking at your screen for hours on end will, at worse, cause eye strain and probably make you need glasses.
My point is that you just presented something quite incorrect as an factual example, where you heard this concept isn't the point, but you seem to follow it on with your 'moderation is ok' idealogy.

Honestly, there is no 'moderate' amount that you can get away with from smoking. Every cigarette you take DOES put carcinogens into your body, kills cells inside your mouth and airways & raises your blood pressure - people don't need large quantities of cigarettes to damage themselves.
Just because somebody can resist a few the side-effects for a while doesn't mean that they should smoke, eitherway after constant smoking they will have problems with mucus, removing bacteria inside them and are at a massively high risk of cancer anyway. Also the crap that comes out put other people at risk as well.
It's like cutting yourself, every time you do so, you leave a scar. If you cut yourself 'moderately' (every few days), regardless of the size, it would still accumulate, if you cut yourself addictively then it would become increasingly obvious and would encourage the person to stop. People constantly think that 'small amounts' can't hurt them, because they can't macroscopically see the problems the present damage it is causing them.

Having NO cigarettes every once in a while is significantly better than having '1 in a while'. I can't think of a single good reason why stopping is bad thing and taking smoking ('moderately' or not) is beneficial. And the word 'overindulgence'? you make it sound as if its something that is to be enjoyed (at the petty cost of your health and pocket).

I smoked for a period of time which you would probably define as a 'moderate' amount, and now wish that I didn't. All I can tell from your point is that your trying to persuade people to believe that smoking is an okay thing to do with your body.
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I would like to point out that your belief that looking at a computer monitor can give you 'eye-cancer' is completely incorrect.. and practically impossible. A monitor doesn't give out any harmful wavelengths of light or has the ability to mutate cells. Looking at your screen for hours on end will, at worse, cause eye strain and probably make you need glasses.
My point is that you just presented something quite incorrect as an factual example, where you heard this concept isn't the point, but you seem to follow it on with your 'moderation is ok' idealogy.

Honestly, there is no 'moderate' amount that you can get away with from smoking. Every cigarette you take DOES put carcinogens into your body, kills cells inside your mouth and airways & raises your blood pressure - people don't need large quantities of cigarettes to damage themselves.
Just because somebody can resist a few the side-effects for a while doesn't mean that they should smoke, eitherway after constant smoking they will have problems with mucus, removing bacteria inside them and are at a massively high risk of cancer anyway. Also the crap that comes out put other people at risk as well.
It's like cutting yourself, every time you do so, you leave a scar. If you cut yourself 'moderately' (every few days), regardless of the size, it would still accumulate, if you cut yourself addictively then it would become increasingly obvious and would encourage the person to stop. People constantly think that 'small amounts' can't hurt them, because they can't macroscopically see the problems the present damage it is causing them.

Having NO cigarettes every once in a while is significantly better than having '1 in a while'. I can't think of a single good reason why stopping is bad thing and taking smoking ('moderately' or not) is beneficial. And the word 'overindulgence'? you make it sound as if its something that is to be enjoyed (at the petty cost of your health and pocket).

I smoked for a period of time which you would probably define as a 'moderate' amount, and now wish that I didn't. All I can tell from your point is that your trying to persuade people to believe that smoking is an okay thing to do with your body.

all that eye strain, and yes there are harmful wavelengths coming from a monitor, in very small amounts.... my pops is a surgeon and has told me that on several occassions, even showed me an article from a medical journal... I was in as much disbelief as you were from reading my statement.... but it does happen.


and FYI, carcinogens are in a lot of places, they are even found in hotdogs... I prefer the taste of clove cigarette or a good cigar over a hotdog anyday, too. having no hotdogs or fastfood is better for you, as well, but people indulge in it once in awhile... either for its conveince or taste.

that moderation is ok ideology has been working fine with me, I don't get easily winded, I don't get respitory sicknesses often, and I'm not waking up and having difficulty breathing. When I say moderation is ok and overindulgence is harmful, I'm not simply talking about cigarettes or impacting on your pocket. those 2-3 cigarettes on a typical day haven't screwed me over, and like I mentioned earlier, I lay low for at least the 3 day hump, I can drop the habit like I drop a deuce. Try eating a bunch of chocolate bars everyday and seeing if you don't gain weight.

I am not trying to persuade people into smoking, either, I'm not Mr. Marlboro Man or Joe Camel or even Mr. Cool... this isn't the 50's anymore... I apologize to you because you interpretted what I have been saying as a beneficiary advertisement, which it definitely is not.

All I have been saying is, that if you're a smoker, don't overindulge... don't go overboard. I am not going to stop you from smoking your cigarette as long as you do it in a courteous manner..


I like your scar simile, it's very true. then again, I am a very scarred person from all the crap that I do, and the one thing that I enjoy about my skin-related scars is that they all have interesting stories... scars also show that the body is not made of glass, it is a thing that can heal time and time again. speaking of, I would like to get a discussion going about medication, whether it be self-medication(such as cigarettes) or prescribed.


jwilso72you know what... I totally respect that you've been the most persistent with this debate.... I love debating, so much that I am going to pursue Law. This entire time, I've been bring up key points that the Big Tobacco Industry brings up as its counterpoints, and you know what, to the layman, these points are good enough to shut them up. It's good to see people stand up for their beliefs, it's even better to see them hold their ground.


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Fact is, there is no "moderation" in smoking. That is unheard of. I will say that those who smoke every "once in a while" are only fooling themselves.

My sister was a "moderate" smoker. Every once in a while, she smoked. Until she couldn't stop. Took her a good while to stop. My grandmother & aunt has been smoking for a good while. Gramma is 84, or 85, or something. Smoker all her life, & still alive. Walks faster than all of us. However, that does NOT mean its ok. You should see her. She would be MUCH better off without.


Personally, I couldn't care less if others (outside my family) smoked. However, DON'T smoke around me. Last time, when I was younger, my gramma smoked for long periods while I was in the room. It got me sick, & my eyes swelled up. I had to put tea-bags on my eyes, missing my favorite cartoon.
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Fact is, there is no "moderation" in smoking. That is unheard of. I will say that those who smoke every "once in a while" are only fooling themselves.

My sister was a "moderate" smoker. Every once in a while, she smoked. Until she couldn't stop. Took her a good while to stop. My grandmother & aunt has been smoking for a good while. Gramma is 84, or 85, or something. Smoker all her life, & still alive. Walks faster than all of us. However, that does NOT mean its ok. You should see her. She would be MUCH better off without.


Personally, I couldn't care less if others (outside my family) smoked. However, DON'T smoke around me. Last time, when I was younger, my gramma smoked for long periods while I was in the room. It got me sick, & my eyes swelled up. I had to put tea-bags on my eyes, missing my favorite cartoon.

sounds to me missing your cartoons is your anti-drug....

and I know what you mean about your grandma.....

and I know how people grow dependant on nicotene, medical studies have shown it to be more addicting than morphine (check that out) ..... but I can't see how will power alone shouldn't be enough to drop the habit, like I said I go on breaks once in awhile and don't feel the urge...


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sounds to me missing your cartoons is your anti-drug....

and I know what you mean about your grandma.....

and I know how people grow dependant on nicotene, medical studies have shown it to be more addicting than morphine (check that out) ..... but I can't see how will power alone shouldn't be enough to drop the habit, like I said I go on breaks once in awhile and don't feel the urge...
Thats how I used to feel, except my sister needed help to quit.

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Thats how I used to feel, except my sister needed help to quit.

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haha... yea man...

well either way, when it came down to it, your sister did have the will power to quit, she realized it was harder than she thought it was and did what was necessary to drop it... for some its just really hard... my Writing Professor is the same way... his way of quitting is basically going on the patch, and eventually smoking light cigarettes, on the patch.... lolz... he LIVES on caffeine and nicotene like no tomorrow... I do remember this one AWESOME thing he said once.... "I light my cigarette on both ends"...


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It is one of the worst way to die, if not the worst.
I disagree. Rape/brutal murder is the worst way to die =P

Pokemon doesnt kill you.

...much
No...but it has the same kind of effect. Think of how many hours you've wasted playing video games when you could have been out doing something useful. I've altogether used up about 42 collective days out of my life playing pokemon >.<

I'm a non-smoker but I've smoked before so I can kinda see both points of view. I agree that people who have never smoked really don't know what it's like for the people who do smoke. I find that once you've tried smoking it is very enjoyable and for some people, the benefits most definitely outweigh the risks. For some people it is well worth it; for me, I don't smoke because I don't think it's neccessary. I can get by in my life just fine without it, and for people who have never smoked...you can't miss what you've never tried.

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What benifits? It kills you slowly. It does nothing to increase your health, & gives you pure enjoyment.

As for Pokemon, as addicting as that is, it didn't kill my wallet the way smoking does.

Like I said, I couldn't care less if people smokes. However, second hand smoke hurts ME. Thats where I draw the line.
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What benifits? It kills you slowly. It does nothing to increase your health, & gives you pure enjoyment.

As for Pokemon, as addicting as that is, it didn't kill my wallet the way smoking does.

Like I said, I couldn't care less if people smokes. However, second hand smoke hurts ME. Thats where I draw the line.
You have the typical view of a non-smoker. You wouldn’t understand the pleasurable act of smoking simply because you’ve never tried it. It all boils down to people’s choices; a lot of people think its well worth it! And I'm not talking about smoking supposedly "relieving stress" and all that crap. Smoking just helps you deal with the withdrawal symptoms you feel because you are addicted to nicotine.

I disapprove with some people’s comments about people who smoke being “stupid” or “weak willed” because the reverse is actually true: a lot of smokers are strong willed and intelligent people. My favourite composer died of smoking. My least favourite composer died of smoking. My uncle (financial analyst) died of smoking. My grandfather (mathematician) died of smoking and he had lung cancer AND a brain tumour. They are all intelligent people. But you’re probably going to say: “why would seemingly intelligent people continue to smoke, knowing full well the dangers and potential implications of doing so?”

I’m not saying it’s a good idea or anything, but whether someone chooses to smoke or not depends only upon their own opinion. There is no point in lecturing a smoker about the dangers of smoking! Chances are, they already know full well. I, for one, am far too vain to put up with the side effects. ‘Nuff said.

As much as I wish I hadn’t spent so much of my childhood in front of a Gameboy Colour, I take back what I said about pokemon being a waste of time. Time is not wasted if it has been enjoyed…I suppose smokers could say a similar thing about smoking.

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Who said I never tried it? Why do you think my sister was addicted? She got me to try it (when we were younger), but she never stopped. Of course, she is 5 years older.

However, from her 6 or so years of smoking, she stopped not only for the health risk, but because she couldn't afford it.

She constantly speaks of how glad she broke the habit. She tells me that she has so much energy, & can notice the difference.


As said, if they enjoy it, if they are killing themselves, I couldn't care less. But do it in private. I have a sensitive nose, & I HATE the smell.


I get that attitude from my mother. When my sister was sent to the hospital due to smoking, we were worried, sure. But once we found out why she was there, we starred to get less worried & more pissed at the fact that she wasted our time. She knew the risk, she ignored it, & paid for it. We saw it comming, so we took it lightly.
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Yes I know the feeling and addiction of smoking, because alright to be honest I've tried smoking about a couple of times but luckily I find that I didn't get addicted or anything, you get Emphysema from smoking its a pathological condition of the lungs marked by an abnormal increase in the size of the air spaces, resulting in labored breathing and an increased susceptibility to infection. It is usually caused by irreversible expansion of the alveoli or by the destruction of alveolar walls, one of many illnesses that can be caused by smoking, has killed millions of people.
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Who said I never tried it? Why do you think my sister was addicted? She got me to try it (when we were younger), but she never stopped. Of course, she is 5 years older.

However, from her 6 or so years of smoking, she stopped not only for the health risk, but because she couldn't afford it.

She constantly speaks of how glad she broke the habit. She tells me that she has so much energy, & can notice the difference.


As said, if they enjoy it, if they are killing themselves, I couldn't care less. But do it in private. I have a sensitive nose, & I HATE the smell.


I get that attitude from my mother. When my sister was sent to the hospital due to smoking, we were worried, sure. But once we found out why she was there, we starred to get less worried & more pissed at the fact that she wasted our time. She knew the risk, she ignored it, & paid for it. We saw it comming, so we took it lightly.
I'm really sorry. I assumed you'd never tried smoking because of your view and I'm ashamed :( Please forgive me.

I have to say that it upsets me when I see people I care about smoking. But I know this really old man who's a chain smoker, he has both his legs amputated because of smoking and he still doesn't regret starting. He's a grumpy bastard though so I can't deny that he deserved it XD

Yes I know the feeling and addiction of smoking, because alright to be honest I've tried smoking about a couple of times but luckily I find that I didn't get addicted or anything, you get Emphysema from smoking its a pathological condition of the lungs marked by an abnormal increase in the size of the air spaces, resulting in labored breathing and an increased susceptibility to infection. It is usually caused by irreversible expansion of the alveoli or by the destruction of alveolar walls, one of many illnesses that can be caused by smoking, has killed millions of people.
My grandfather had emphysema as well now you mention it. He was also asthmatic. Apparently I'm a lot like him...:'(:'(:'( he died when he was in his 30s so I never met him. That makes me wish smoking was never invented.

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Exactly. Its a drug, & despite the enjoyment & pleasure you get from it, there is no real upside to it. We get enjoyment out of many things, but ignoring the negatives doesn't make them dissapear. I wish people realize that just because the pain doesn't affect you offhand, you WILL feel it. Hell, if you don't get hurt now, you'll feel it hard later.

Don't mention it. No need to apologize for such a minor problem.
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