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Old November 7th, 2007 (4:23 PM).
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Alright, right now my pokemon have horrible movesets. I made the mistake of using HMs, I know, dumb right? So currently I am in the process of beating the Elite Four. I will take any suggestions on Natures, movesets, or the pokemon entirely. I will not change it right now, but I will once I get the national dex. This is just for future reference. Seeing as I am going to work on my team after I aquire the National Dex, feel free to suggest pokemon from any game, except XD or ranger. I also dont know what items to give them, so please help. Thanks in advance.

Empoleon-Naughty @?
Brine
Dig
Surf
Flash Cannon

Staraptor-Naughty @?
Aerial Ace
Defog
Close Combat
Fly

Lucario-Brave @?
???
???
???
???

Roserade-Modest @?
Cut
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Stun Spore

Mismagus-Rash @?
Mean Look
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Payback

Weavile-Sassy @?
Shadow Ball
Agility
Icy Wind
Slash
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Old November 7th, 2007 (4:37 PM).
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WAT TEH EFF!?

Okay, if you want a good team, you have to follow some guidelines.

- NEVER put two attacks of the same element on one moveset. Its just a waste. For Example, Waterfall and Aqua Tail should NEVER be on the same set. I saw that on your Empoleon with Surf and Brine. Please, only one water move.

- Moves like Fly, Dig, and Dive are epic failure. It gives the opponent a free chance to charge, heal, prepare, and switch. DO NOT USE.

- Every sturdy team needs at least 1 physical sweeper, 1 special sweeper, 1 special wall, 1 physical wall, and the options of a Tank, Cleric, PHazer, Spikespinner, Baton Passer etc. So far, I have seen not one physical or special wall, nor have I seen anything mentioned above besides tank.

- Pay attention to a pokemon's stats. Find which stat is at its strongest point. For instance, Roserade's Special Attack stat is very high so it can be considered as a Special Sweeper. Its Attack stat is very low. You know that right off the hook, Roserade should use only Special Attacks and no Physical Attacks.

- YOU NEED good EVs, IVs, and Natures to set up a healthy battle. They can make a huge difference in the damage you do to your opponent.

- Watch your weaknesses, you don't want to lose to only one type of pokemon.
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Old November 7th, 2007 (4:52 PM).
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Thanks, I didnt even think of worrying about EVs or IVs. I will definately work on them.
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Old November 7th, 2007 (4:55 PM).
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Well, Elite Four, EVs and IVS, you dont have to care, just because, well its too late now! Some things are to get rid of the bad HMs on your team in Canalve City, and replace them with good TM moves.
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Old November 7th, 2007 (4:57 PM).
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Weavile@Life Orb

- Night Slash
- Ice Punch
- Aerial Ace
- Brick Break

Staraptor@Life Orb

- Return / Double-Edge
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
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Old November 7th, 2007 (6:00 PM).
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Weavile@Life Orb

- Night Slash
- Ice Punch
- Aerial Ace
- Brick Break

Staraptor@Life Orb

- Return / Double-Edge
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Night Slash/Pursuit

- Aerial Ace/Ice Shard

oh believe me.. you'll need Ice Shard..
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Old November 7th, 2007 (6:01 PM).
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[Emploeon] @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
EVs: 72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk
Ability: Torrent (no choice there, really)
- Surf/ Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Agility

Oh my, what a set you had. (No offense or anything).
As Azonic stated above... Dig = Epic fail.
Flash Cannon is meh; although it gets STAB, but steel is a horrid attacking type and you won't be hitting much for super-effective damage anyway.

[Roserade] @ Choice Specs
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 252 Spd
Ability: Natural Cure
- Leaf Storm/Leech Seed
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Energy Ball/Shadow Ball

Don't use Cut, please. On any Competitive Pokemon.

Ugh, I've never used a Lucario strangely enough and I'm not sure how it goes. I'll try.

[Lucario] @ Choice Band
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed/ 4 Def
Ability: Steadfast
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Blaze Kick

...yeah.
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Old November 7th, 2007 (6:44 PM).
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Alright, right now my pokemon have horrible movesets. I made the mistake of using HMs, I know, dumb right? So currently I am in the process of beating the Elite Four. I will take any suggestions on Natures, movesets, or the pokemon entirely. I will not change it right now, but I will once I get the national dex. This is just for future reference. Seeing as I am going to work on my team after I aquire the National Dex, feel free to suggest pokemon from any game, except XD or ranger. I also dont know what items to give them, so please help. Thanks in advance.

Empoleon-Modest/Bold/Calm@Leftovers
Ice Beam
Agility
Surf
Stealth Rock/Grass Knot

How to start.....first you had a turn attacking move and to make that worse it was Physical.Then you had to types of the same moves.FAIL.This should work better.

Staraptor-Jolly @?
Aerial Ace
U-Turn
Close Combat
Whirlind????
Not really sure how to work one of these(ive never trained one)but same goes on what i said about empoleon.2 of the same moves and two turn attacks.

Lucario-Timid @?
Vacuum Wave/Close Combat
Blaze Kick
Earthquake/Bulk Up/Stone Edge
Extreme Speed

Im pretty sure this is how it goes....i think


Roserade-Timid @?
Armotherapy/Toxic Spikes/Extrasensory
Sludge Bomb
Energy Ball
Stun Spore/Sleep Powder
Roserade has Physical???FAIL.Go with this better.

Mismagus-Timid @?
Energy Ball
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Same as above.

Weavile-Jolly @?
Night Slash
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Fake out/X-scissors
You had everything wrong on this.

Sorry to say this but this team would FAIL!!!you have 2 turn attack moves and those just FAIL.You have moves on pokes that dont go with them.
Ex.Mismagus with Payback(physical)when it should have Sp.Attack moves on it.(Thunderbolt!!)Weavile aslo fails...Roserade fails, Staraptor, and Empoleon.Well thats pretty much your whole team.
And you have no tank or wall...you need pokes that can take HITS.
Well i hope you never go into WIFI battles with this team...This team that you have should ONLY be for ingame purposes.
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Old November 7th, 2007 (7:03 PM).
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Whirlwind on staraptor = fail. you see, it always goes last, so you leave staraptor open to a OHKO...for future reference...
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yeah....i didnt know what else to put in it..
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Old November 8th, 2007 (3:41 PM).
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Thanks, these movesets r really good. I read that my team doent have tanks or walls, should I just change the Pokemon completely? I need a team for my next game. Remember u can add any other gen pokemon, too.
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Old November 8th, 2007 (3:43 PM).
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Well after the elite four, then you'll need a competitive team if you want to go WiFi competitive battle. Then we can help out more
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Old November 8th, 2007 (4:36 PM).
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Good news, I beat the Elite Four (turned out to be The Weak Four). Now I am looking for a competitive team. Please help me. Thanks!
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probably need a different thread for that.....go to the request a team thread...
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Old November 8th, 2007 (4:39 PM).
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Well, you can start by choosing a better variety of pokemon instead of the pokemon from D/P.

Like, Gengar probably does a better job than Mismagius.
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Old November 8th, 2007 (4:44 PM).
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O.K. what about Swampert?
Modest @leftovers
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Protect
Surf
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Modest Swampert destroys it. Its strong point is Attack and Modest weakens its Attack stat.

Impish Nature or Adamant Nature should work

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EVs: 252 HP / 172 Attack / 80 Defense
- Waterfall
- Icebeam / Avalanche
- Earthquake
- Curse / Rest

I suppose it can go in place of Empoleon.
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Old November 8th, 2007 (4:52 PM).
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O.K. Uhh one more thing, do you know a good moveset for Lucario?
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Yes, but what role do you want it to be? There's a physical, special, or mixed?
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Modest Swampert destroys it. Its strong point is Attack and Modest weakens its Attack stat.

Impish Nature or Adamant Nature should work

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Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Attack / 80 Defense
- Waterfall
- Icebeam / Avalanche
- Earthquake
- Curse / Rest

I suppose it can go in place of Empoleon.
Physical swampert, even one with ice beam, is fairly easy to wall. Cursepert (at least in 3rd gen) is near obsolete, and mixpert REALLY is better. also, it should be noted swampert doesn't really need all that attack, and it almost always runs relaxed over impish.
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Old November 10th, 2007 (9:34 PM).
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for my Lucario, I kind of want it as my mix, but if you think it would do better some other way, thats fine too
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Old November 10th, 2007 (10:40 PM). Edited November 10th, 2007 by Arcknight316.
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FYI, this is almost the same Weavile that this guy used last tme on his RMT thread. The only difference is that he got rid of Dig. A nice update, but it still sucks.

So as a comment, let's look at his title: Weavile will destroy you.

It sure might, but your's wont.

Who am I to critisize? I haven't won a single battle on here.
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Old November 11th, 2007 (6:29 AM).
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[Lucario] @ Life Orb
Trait: Steadfast
Nature: Naive
EVs: 172 Attack / 84 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [ICE]
- Dark Pulse / Shadowball
 

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