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Old February 3rd, 2008 (11:51 AM).
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Erm, frozen meteorite? Wha? I have a different theory:
*Cresselia is born of dreams and Darkrai of nightmares. I reckon jirachi could make both come true
*It grants peoples wishes, it doesnt say they are necersarrily nice wishes (Eg kill my step-dad :P), presented through doom desire
*I think that he is somehow connected to cressy and darkrai

Orrrrrrrr:
*Jirachi is linked to the beings of will, emotion and knowledge. The elf of desire could quite easily be related to the other 3. On top of that, look at the sprites: They all have two tails, their bodies are similar shades of gray, amd they are generally the same shape (Except the head, which is different on all 4).

Thats my two-pence, let me know what you think. Very little is known about jirachi, so there are no solid theories.
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Erm, frozen meteorite? Wha? I have a different theory:
*Cresselia is born of dreams and Darkrai of nightmares. I reckon jirachi could make both come true
*It grants peoples wishes, it doesnt say they are necersarrily nice wishes (Eg kill my step-dad :P), presented through doom desire
*I think that he is somehow connected to cressy and darkrai

Orrrrrrrr:
*Jirachi is linked to the beings of will, emotion and knowledge. The elf of desire could quite easily be related to the other 3. On top of that, look at the sprites: They all have two tails, their bodies are similar shades of gray, amd they are generally the same shape (Except the head, which is different on all 4).

Thats my two-pence, let me know what you think. Very little is known about jirachi, so there are no solid theories.

well......i kinda get u about the pixies and jirachi.......but i dont see it when u say jirachi is related to creesila and darkrai.
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Cresselia and darkrai are the embodiment of dreams and nighmares, which jirachi can make come true. How else does it find out peoples wishes? I dont know about you, but i dream about stuff i want. Perhaps he is their arbiter of something. The pixie one is my favored theory but there could be a link between either. Like i said there i very little evidence on jirachi so its an educated guess.
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Old February 4th, 2008 (7:07 PM). Edited February 5th, 2008 by Commander_Latios.
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Are the legends really true? well, that all depends on your perspective of it.

I persoanlly think that they're weaker in the games than in the legends for a very interesting reason. It always seems that the human or mortal forms of some deities are weaker than their actual, immortal forms. and when I say mortal, i mean physical forms on earth and not some higher plane of existance. thus explaining why arceus can be caught in a pokeball. because it's not so much arceus itself as arceus's avatar, you know what I mean?

as for the contradictory thing, about kyogre and groundon conflicting with palkia? take it from this standpoint, kinda like how the history of the world is explained in Legend of Zelda: OOT.

palkia created the base world, but there was really nothing. Sort of, a big dead rock floating in the void.

The groudon and kyogre come. Kyogre creates water to cover the planet. Then groudon raises landmasses. Then shaymin or whatever comes and gives the land all of it's plants and trees and stuff. afterwards, mew gives birth to all the other life-forms or whatever it was.

that's my two cents, i'm stickin' to it. G'night, folks.
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hail to that. I know exactly what you mean. much like actual religion, you can't rightfully force your stuff down other perople's throats. you can tell them about it, but you can't try to make them believe it.

Oh yes, I have several extensions to my theories, should anyone actually give a hoot.

mew is said to be the ancestor of all pokemon, right? well, keep in mind that in every game, they say that the new pokemon have only been recently discovered. Which is the whole answer right there. sort of like evolution in real life (and once again, if you don't believe in it, then you don't have to. but I can if I want. besides, it's just an example.) They say that people evolved from monkeys now, but in 30 years they might dicover that it was actually lizards or something. and thus the previous knowledge of our ancient ancestor species would be changed. same goes for the mew thing. if they discover new species that pedate mew, then it would be changed.

see where i'm coming from? if not, that's ok.
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Can science be a religion? ...no, I'm not talking about Scientology......

The "legends" of the legendary pokemon are probably left over from the days in pokemon world before the games take place. Kind of like the Babylons and Sumerias and Ancient Egypts of K/J/H/S where there pretty much was no science and people believed in curses and spells.

So, in a way, I think the legendaries are a bit like Loch Ness (roll with me here for a minute and pretend it might be real), Bigfoot, the Yeti, dragons, Sirens, the Chupacabra.... you know. Mythical creatures. There's only like, a few left (or created) in the world and when a few people see them, they go and tell everyone. Problem is, not everybody has seen them, so perhaps the creatures are regarded as mystical gods and so on and so forth.

The great mystery spawns the myth and ancient practices and lore.

That's kind of how it is in the real world.
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:O i cant believe this died out
Anyways new question: Why do we think Dialga and palkia faught each other when they were co-dependant?
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Because it made a good story


I don't have an answer to that one actually.......prehaps they were just having an arguement eg.
Palkia: Space rocks!
Dialga: Time is better
Palkia: Is not
Dialga: Is too
*Battle begins*
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Lol fair enough, i dont really have any ideas for this one so that will do :)
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Could it be that Mew and Arceus somehow "teamed up" and created everything?

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Mew is simply a pokemon that is almost extinct. It did not create the universe.
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^^^What he said. Arceus created the universe and the legends. Mew was the first non-legendry pokemon from which all others evolved.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (2:38 PM). Edited February 12th, 2008 by Cagemon93.
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here's how i see it and i know all the little poke info things state otherwise, but this is how it should be (in my eyes) in coordination with the bible

arceus = god
mew = adam/eve (or) abraham
palkia, dialga = sarah, hagar
azelf uxie mesprit = angels (dont gots names)
darkrai = satan
lugia ho-oh = isaac, ishmael
birds = jewish people
dogs = muslim people
the arceus we catch = jesus
kyogre, groudon, rayquaza = disciples
regis = egyptian gods
lautios, lautias = saints (jesus time)
celebi, jirachi, manaphy = more angels,

ditto=chuck norris >:O

lol, im not gonna stick around for all the rude criticism i get, but yea, i got really confused while doing that so i see how gamefreak screwed their whole mythology up (would've been cool if they had linked it all up) and they still might who knows >.>

here's how i see it and i know all the little poke info things state otherwise, but this is how it should be (in my eyes) in coordination with the bible

arceus = god
mew = adam/eve (or) abraham
palkia, dialga = sarah, hagar
azelf uxie mesprit = angels (dont gots names)
darkrai = satan
lugia ho-oh = isaac, ishmael
birds = jewish people
dogs = muslim people
the arceus we catch = jesus
kyogre, groudon, rayquaza = disciples
regis = egyptian gods
lautios, lautias = saints (jesus time)
celebi, jirachi, manaphy = more angels,

ditto=chuck norris >:O

lol, im not gonna stick around for all the rude criticism i get, but yea, i got really confused while doing that so i see how gamefreak screwed their whole mythology up (would've been cool if they had linked it all up) and they still might who knows >.>
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Old February 12th, 2008 (3:08 PM). Edited February 12th, 2008 by lostprophetsown.
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wow nice thread shiny umbreon this really has got me thinking about legends they are so rare (apparently) but are so similar to toher creatures are all pokemon maybe legendary?? lol

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:O i cant believe this died out
Anyways new question: Why do we think Dialga and palkia faught each other when they were co-dependant?
also maybe they are related like brothers and they just dis agree like all brothers and sisters or maybe its something to do with darkrai or something who knows????
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wow nice thread shiny umbreon this really has got me thinking about legends they are so rare (apparently) but are so similar to toher creatures are all pokemon maybe legendary?? lol
Thats a bit OTT. While most pokes have some sorta special power (Eg Creating fire in their throats or) this is commonplace. It is those who show some higher control that are legendry

also maybe they are related like brothers and they just dis agree like all brothers and sisters or maybe its something to do with darkrai or something who knows????
Possibly, most people are just putting it down to a small fued. I think differently, but until there is more evidence i will keep my mouth shut :)
Newwww question: Why are the three sprites the 'keys' who locked D&P away?
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Mabye because D+P were too powerful to exist in the real world without destroying it. Also why are the Regis keys to Regigigas being awoken?
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Sorry i didnt word the question very well. Why are the 3 elves the keys to D&P when there is very little connection between them? To relate it to your question, the regis share and affinity with 'gigas, but what do the sprites have in common with the time and space pokes?
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They were all created by Arceus so prehaps they were made the keys to avoid Arceus creating more legendaries and thus clogging up the world with super-powerful pokemon.
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Thats an idea, i just think its strange that creatures created to educate humans would be put in chage of what's essentially the fabric of the universe.
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Hey, here's a thought: Why don't we have a speculation session on Shaymin before it appears in a movie and we find out all about it.
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Aha, i likes this idea. Nice way to resurrect the thread :)

Well i think that shaymin was one of arceus's many minions in the cause of making the world. While kyogre and groudon shaped the world, shaymin would cultivate it, making it habitable. This may not have been required if it was just the small populus of legends inhabiting the world, but if arceus planned on populating the planet then plants would be needed to generate oxygen. This indicates to me that shaymin and mew (From whom all regular pokes evolved) were created at the same time.

Its kinda stating the obvious but it puts the world into context. Shaymin is almost the planest's immune system, capable of eradicating poisins and gases in a nice perfumy fashion :P
Yay for information on giratina, hopefully it will reinforce my arguament that he is NOT the guardian of the pokemon underworld as everyone except me says :|
I wont go to see it, so if anyone finds a synopsis let me know :)
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I wont go to see it, so if anyone finds a synopsis let me know :)
Try serebii.net's one. It won't have a full synopsis until the movie is out though: http://www.serebii.net/movies/giratina/

I think Shaymin was created in response to humans polluting the earth and destroying forests. Arceus created it in the hope that we would realise the damage we had managed to do and stop. But it didn't work. I've heard something about some stone and prof. Oak from the in-game event for it. I haven't looked on You-tube yet though...
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Where does Giratina fit in? What created it? All it says it that it lives in another world, a reverse world... Wikipedia also says that Giratina represents death.

Also if Manaphy is the "Prince of the Sea", but Lugia is the "Guardian of the Sea", then who truly rules the sea? Or even maybe Kyogre? :S
Maybe kyogre is queeny?

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