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Old November 17th, 2007 (2:04 PM).
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Here's a quick question:
Kyogre and groudon are counterparts, each controling aspects of the earth
Dialga and Palkia are counterparts, the control the dimensions we live in
Lugia and Ho-oh are presented as counterparts, yet i can find no connection. Yes both control the dogs and birds, but why does that connect the controllers? am i missing something?
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I think instead of the god pokemon laying eggs all around to form pkmn, I think mew evolved into other pkmn and only 1 mew survived unchanged...
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After creating a thing such as... THE WORLD would a God still have enough strenght to destroy pokéballs?
The answer is... YES LOL
Arceus is not a God, it's a Godly Creature. The pokémon God has still to make an appearence, unless... MISSING'NO is the pokémon god! I remember that it had 600+ Attack Stat... but no defense so a Rattata could beat it...

Let's put it this way:
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Arceus is the CREATOR(Alpha, still there is no Omega)- Created the Universe structure
Dialga- Time Creator and Controller
Palkia- Space Creator and Controller
Kyogre the Creator of the Seas
Groudon the Creator of Land
Rayquaza *probably* Creator of Skies

GUARDIANS AND ETC:
Mew- Ancestor and has got DNA from all pokémons
Mewtwo- Part of the DNA from all pokémons(took from Mew)
Luugia- GUARDIAN of Sea
Ho-oh- Creates Rainbows(its not as important as Sky/Land/Sea so I put this creator here)
Celebi- Time Traveller
UnoDosTres Trio- When you join these three elements you obtain one thing... electrized WATER- so these are connected to Luugia
Dogs Trio- these make Clear Feathers turn to Rainbow Feathers(proved in Mystery Dungeon) these Rainbow Feathers make part of HO-OH's body. These three also:
"Awake with the thunder, roar with vulcanos and run as one with the Northern Winds"
Regis Trio- Simbolize the solid parts of this world. Rock- the Stone Age; Ice- the Ice Age; Steel- Technology
Regigigas- Simbolizes the world but didn't created it!
Pixies Trio- Simbolize emotions, knowledge and willpower
Shaymin- I think this guy/gal is Mother/Father Nature, it transforms any grass in the area in flowers.
Darkrai- Controls Nightmares
Cresselia- Controls Good Dreams
Manaphy/Phione- Prince and Princess of the Sea
Heathran- Was made from lava... now that I see it... WHY IS THIS A LEGEND?
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What about Giratina? I think the GOD pkmn might still not be out. Who did ppl think created the world when Ruby and Sapphire came out?
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Heathran- Was made from lava... now that I see it... WHY IS THIS A LEGEND?
This was probably the guardian of volcanoes and lava.
It's different from Groudon because Groudon is the guardian of land.
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unless... MISSING'NO is the pokémon god! I remember that it had 600+ Attack Stat... but no defense so a Rattata could beat it...
Hahahahahahahah XDDDD

Personally I think there are two possibilities...

1/ Mew created Arceus (as Mew could learm every single move while Arceus' movepool is actually limited), and the universe began. Arceus was chosen to be the "god" to create Dialga, Palkia and Giratina;

2/ Arceus (as it is known as "The Alpha Pokemon" while Mew is just "New Spicies Pokemon") created the universe, and Mew was born. In this case, Mew does not have a really important role except for being very rare and containing the DNA of every Pokemon.

It is kinda like... "Which comes first? Chicken or Egg?" to me. :P

Sorry I'm not very good at analysis. And please feel free to tell me if I made any mistake. =] I am kinda new to this.
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I still dont get how u keep saying arceus created that pokemon or kyogre created this pokemon. It sounds too bible-y(if thats a word) to me. I think they evolved over time, not pkmn evolve but animal evolve....
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Im with mega, im against religion. the bible's a story people took way too seriously lol.

Nowww as for the thread...

Arceus came first. This was introduced early in the game. Swirling chaos and all, then out popped an egg. Out popped arceus, who creates everything else

Edit: I THINK the bibles a story people took too seriously, cant be offending anyone can I lol
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But ive changed it to I think, and they cant tell me off for that, one of my human rights is freedom of speech :P
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OK were getting off topic here... So Arceus was created and then he made the universe, i think thats all he did. Then mew evolved from microscopic life and some of them evolved into the rest of the pokemon, thats my theory. Or else none of the pokemon have that much power but people believe they created everything because they have no other explination...
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I think its a mix of religion and science. While i believe most pokemon went through standard evolution (Mentioned by diageo) i believe those with 'godly' powers (Kyogre, Palkia etc) were created prior to the amoebas pokemon evolved from, and were there to shape the world before there was stuff to live of it
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So u think Arceus just popped out an egg and said, here's palkia, now u create space. OOps need another one, pops out another egg. Now Dialga, create time. Now were ready to go?
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Im just goin by what's been said in the game, which goes along the lines of an egg appearing in the swirly chaos. Im not basing my points on human religion or human science, but on the evidence in the game. If you wanna get technical though, no-one really has a clue how the pokemon universe was formed, seeing as a human has somehow managed to tell the story of creation even though he cant get to any of the creatures present at the time of creation.
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Yeah but thats what the point of this thread is, to speculate how it started. Thats what were doing, so Im asking what u think happened at the start...
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Essay time lol.....

Like i said, i go from the info we get from the games.
First came arceus
Arceus made D&P who made time and space, therefore the universe (Just a lump of dark matter at the current time)
Now Arceus had something to shove planets and stars and stuff into
Onto these planets he put more pokemon to regulate and shape them, in the case of earth;
Kyogre and groudon to form seas and landmasses
Regigigas to pull the continents into shape
The 3 Dogs to regulate fire water and thunder, and so on with all the aspects of the
planet.
At this point arceus would have either gone off and populated other planets (Dependin on if he did earth first, last or whatever) or gone to sleep up at spear pillar. Alternatively he may have created these pokes from himself, therefore stripping him of lots of power, (reducing him from a god to merely godley) so he went to sleep at spear pillar to regenerate until he was strong enough to populate the next planet along.
Now for the less concrete theories
As for the more mundane pokemon, this is the evolution bit. The world was populated by mew, a whole species of them. This would explain why it contains every piece of dna, because all pokes originated from them. Some mews lived in the sea, and evolved into water types. Others lived indesert and evolved into the grounds. Mews slowly died out apart from the one that is left, who has sustained by living in the forest of the sevii island he is found on.

Now, to explain why there is only one left. Mew is like a stem cell, all other pokemon formed from him. This would require its biomolecular make-up to be close to perfect, so its body would be so efficient cells would be replicated as soon as they were destroyed, therefore mew would not age. the only way mew would die is of starvation, or by being eaten (Perfect cells leaves no room for mutation or disease). Some mews were herbivores, but those i the sparce deserts would be carnivores. If they migrated out of the deserts, they would see other veggie mews and eat them. This surviving mew had settled on an island in the sea (The sevii one), and because it is alone mew would eat little, and because it is surrounded by water the land would be fertile and mew would have an 'everlasting' food source, therefore allowing this mew to survive until 'present day'

So while this one merrily sat around and ate, the rest of the world was affected by darwin; Evolve or die. After millions of years any pokemon recognisable as mew had gone, leaving the one we play hide and seek with.

There, done :)
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Ok so ur saying Arceus created the legendaries.... but how? Popping out eggs, making it from a part of his body or just summoning it from thin air?
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I dont know, I think there are references to arceus laying eggs but im not sure. If this is wrong then ill go with standard cell replication. Animal organisms grow through a process called meosis, where the dna strand in a cell unravels and each hallf of this dna the forms its own cell. This could happen rapidly with arceus, who would replicate a single stem cell on the outside of its body, this new cell would be the first of the newly forming pokemon (As an example ill pick heatran). This new cell would then clone split in 2 again, and then the stem cell would mutate into a metal scale for example. this would continue until a new pokemon was fully formed, at which point it could survive and break off from the host (arceus)
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I dont know, I think there are references to arceus laying eggs but im not sure. If this is wrong then ill go with standard cell replication. Animal organisms grow through a process called meosis, where the dna strand in a cell unravels and each hallf of this dna the forms its own cell. This could happen rapidly with arceus, who would replicate a single stem cell on the outside of its body, this new cell would be the first of the newly forming pokemon (As an example ill pick heatran). This new cell would then clone split in 2 again, and then the stem cell would mutate into a metal scale for example. this would continue until a new pokemon was fully formed, at which point it could survive and break off from the host (arceus)
Great. Nice theory.

I'm now going to presume that all Pokemon with the move Selfdestruct are a form of Apoptosis.
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not sure what that is, im only 16 lol. I doubt self-destruct would be that literal, but at the end of the day its fiction and the laws of biology and physics dont count. On that note im off to bed, Ill post again tomorrow
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I think Arceus is not the all-seeing deity, but really just "a higher power".
Maybe he was the first pokemon created(Hence "Alpha")by THE poke-god.
Actually whose to say that this "deity" that created Arceus, didn't create Mew and Giratina, afterwards.

Arceus:Life/Creation
Mew:Change
Giratina: Death

^All is what is bound to happen/the sequence of life.

Then from them branched out the other legends.
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1.0 - Arceus: Creator(God)

Action #1: Creates a Universal Trio

2.0 - Palkia: Ruler Of Space
2.1 - Groundon: Land Management
*Regigigas(Ruler of Regi Trio)
2.2 - Kyogre: Sea Management
*Lugia - Sea Guardian(Ruler of Legendary Birds)
2.3 - Rayquaza: Sky Management
*Ho-oh - Rainbows(Ruler of Legendary Dogs)

3.0 - Dialga: Ruler Of Time
3.1 - Celebi: Time Traveler
3.2 - Jirachi: Wish Maker(1,000 years dormant?)

4.0 - Giratina: Ruler Of Life/Death
4.1 - Mew: Ancestor Of All Pokemon(not already listed)
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celebi, gods have dieties not the other way round
general, dialga and palkia were made at the same time, no pokes in between accordin to the game
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