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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:15 PM). Edited November 25th, 2007 by luke.
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Here's the deal: Smarties has brought to my attention the flaws in this thread. After reading what Smarties had to say, I have to agree. And this is my own fault. The discussion moved too fast, decisions were made in a rash manner, and the format was unorganized. So, frankly, we're starting over. This time, we'll give a certain Pokemon a day's worth of attention. You may post what you feel is an effective move set for that particular species and once we have several move sets, they will be discussed and as a group, we will decide what we consider the best move set. With some Pokemon, there won't be a single effective move set. Therefore, we will have links to the Request a Team / Move Set thread where you may ask for an alternative move set from the one listed. And for today, I'd like to start with a Pokemon we had discussed earlier today and I am interested in discussing myself:

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1.) Do not request a specific Pokemon to be discussed. PM me and we will discuss your requested species in the near future.

2.) Refrain from insulting others if their opinions differ from your own. This will result in flaming and more than likely, a warn or a stern disciplining.

3.) Be creative. Don't just repost move sets from other sites (Smogon, Marrilland, etc.) If you feel this move set is worth mentioning, by all means post it. Anything that adds to the conversation is appreciated.

4.) Of course, follow all Pokecommunity Rules.

Current Pokemon for Discussion: Honchkrow

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- Hariyama
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:20 PM).
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Thanks ^_^ the PM idea was the perfect solution. now then...

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Trait: Hyper Cutter (I think O_O)
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

My prefered set. I believe it can learn knock off, which would work over SD.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:20 PM).
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lol Loquacity u locked 90% of the threads here ><:

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Trait: Hyper Cutter
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Attack / 80 Defense
- Knock Off / Roost / Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Stealth Rock
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:21 PM).
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Eh, don't you think a physical wall pokemon is going to need more defence than that? I mean, it needs it...
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:22 PM).
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Yea I suppose. But Gliscor can Attack too. I guess 510 EVs ain't enough ><;
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:23 PM).
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then again, my set abuses SD and often used my subpassing Vappy, so yeah...but it'll need a few more, definately.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:24 PM).
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Congrats Loquacity! Modded!

Gliscor should probably have something to counter his ICe weakness though, like maybe Brick Break. I dunno, Im guessing.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:25 PM).
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However, very few Ice-Type Pokemon are found in OU, so Brick Break may not be necessary.

I closed them because they needed to be. Useless threads.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:25 PM).
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I don't think it would be wise to stay in on suck ice types that ruin your day. Subpassing works well with gliscor actually, gives it a free hit to take a beam from starmie or whatever sweeper it may be.

EDIT: STAB EQ does as much as supereffective BB...
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:28 PM).
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True, I guess. Gliscor COULD go Screech over SD, but SD is probably the bteer choice
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Ermm... no. Screech or any other move that reduces the opponent's stats are fail. Its destroyed by a simple switch.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:31 PM).
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Ermm... no. Screech or any other move that reduces the opponent's stats are fail. Its destroyed by a simple switch.
Eh, it might be good for starmies who think they can freely switch in and then you can send in your physical sweeper to "Clean up the mess" ;)

EDIT: And forcing switches is a very valuable thing BTW
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:32 PM).
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Yeah, force something to switch out gives you time to plan and attack.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:32 PM).
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Actually, moves like Screech are used as some form of PseudoHaze.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:33 PM).
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The thing is, there is a lot Gliscor can do. He can pass Att or Speed (Swords Dance/Rock Polish), U-Turn any incoming switches, Stealth Rock, be a physical wall. He's pretty fast, and can come in on a fair bit of stuff too.

Brick Break is kinda useless on Gliscor as there are few Ice types and Ice Beam/Blizzard/HP Ice are all commonly seen on many non-Ice types. In general, water types give him trouble. As also mentioned, he is a great Heracross counter, able to come in on Close Combat/Megahorn/Stone Edge all pretty easily, resisting the first two, and is able to pick him off with Aerial Ace.
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Does reducing a Starmie's Defense stat really help though?

But anyways, back on the point - Swords Dance is better than Screech. . . unless you want to PHaze
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True, I guess. Gliscor COULD go Screech over SD, but SD is probably the bteer choice
Yeah SD>Screach since they just switch away the sreach,if gliscor could have area trp then that would be a different story, but it can't so SD would better suit it...
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:39 PM).
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I like my Gliscor with Ice Fang for those annoying DDMence's that like to come in and attempt a set up
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (5:40 PM).
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Screech Gliscor would work reasonably well with Stealth Rock/Spikes support, as with any tactic revolving around phazing.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Trait: Hyper Cutter
EV: 252 HP / 48 Att / 208 Def
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Trait - HyperCutter/SandVeil
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Yes, let's discuss Tauros. (As requested by Anti)
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (6:03 PM).
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Oh yay! Well, I'm looking more at ADV, vut seeing as I just downloaded Shoddy (don't ask), either gen is cool.

Tauros (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Double-Edge

Is what I've got. Suggestions? Oh, that set was for ADV BTW.
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Old November 22nd, 2007 (6:08 PM).
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Return over Double Edge is what I'd prefer, and for 4th Gen (even though you ain't really into it) Zen Headbutt gives him a better chance against some fighters like Heracross, although the Scarfcross will still be a problem.

Pursuit also gives him an option for attacking Gengar/Dusknoir/Spiritomb.

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Old November 22nd, 2007 (6:40 PM).
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Ok, Tauros is done. Let's move on to DEWGONG!
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-Horn Drill
-Sheer Cold

OHKO's all round, used to annoy my friends with this on Emerald, although thanks to OHKO clause it's no longer viable

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