4th Gen what is the best HM move

Started by st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 12:45 PM
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surf is better than waterfall physicly dude!
Surf is a special attack. Waterfall is a physical attack. Learn your moves.

Also, these are the best HM moves period for battle. Rock Climb comes second. The rest suck.
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Surf is a special attack. Waterfall is a physical attack. Learn your moves.

Also, these are the best HM moves period for battle. Rock Climb comes second. The rest suck.
Have you heard of Return?
Only the Water HM are good(except Dive). The rest suck.

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Have you heard of Return?
Only the Water HM are good(except Dive). The rest suck.
Return is a TM, not an HM.

And Fly is somewhat decent, but still not very good, now that its power went from 70 to 90.
Rock Smash sucks, even though it's power was doubled, but may be vaguely useful to some people.
I don't like surf as much because I prefer double battles, although having 2 pokemon with water absorb is a strong combination.
Waterfall is somewhat decent.

I have to say that for me, Fly and Surf are the best when used properly.
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surf is more realistic than waterfall come on[ooh i rode up a waterfall today what did you do?]
surf makes more sense
P.S.rock smash is crap.
Oo, I went surfing today, what did you do?

Maybe the user summons up a waterfall under them, shoots themself at the
enemy with the waterfall, then smacks them up the face while rising high into
the air. Huh? Ever thought of that?

Rock Smash is like Leer with damage -____-
Strength is okay.
Rock Climb is *okay*, but not reliable at all.
Fly is terrible.
Cut is badbadbadbadbadbadbad.
Defog is worthless as it only works twice in the game.

Dive and Flash are no longer HMs.
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surf by far, its incredibly powerful and useful
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Surf and Waterfall as said many times previously. xD

Outside of battle Fly is probably most handy. I would hate it if we had to cycle or surf all the way to the other side of the map everytime.

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1.Rock Smash is better than Cut because it lowers defense

Strength and Waterfall are similar. Rock climb isn't bad because it could confuse you.Rest are plain bad.
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Well now that surf isn't used much anymore I'd have to say Waterfall. It's a great physical attack to have on Life Orb Gyara.
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