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Old February 11th, 2008 (4:27 PM).
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lol not even close. It will just encore your butt out of PP and leave you trapped. Seriously, my Dusknoir got POUNDED.
PP does not have a butt.

Not when you Shadow Sneak it to death :D
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@sims: how is focus sash useful if it has to switch in, take a hit, and is slower? =\
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Old February 11th, 2008 (4:29 PM).
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PP does not have a butt.

Not when you Shadow Sneak it to death :D
Or this will happen...

It gets hit with Shadow Sneak. You're trapping and are encored into Shadow Sneak. Come out darling DDtar! Set up a DD while Dusknoir runs off!

Come in staraptor or any other normal type and hit what's coming in with a powerful Choice Band attack!

Wobbuffet basically makes predictions for you.
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Old February 11th, 2008 (4:36 PM).
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@sims: how is focus sash useful if it has to switch in, take a hit, and is slower? =\
Hey, it's useful for the srtaight up approach, as, well, like I said, the tougher oppostion. Plus, it's very good on predicted switches. Like against Ttar?
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Old February 11th, 2008 (4:55 PM).
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But yeah, they have the element of surprise on their hands, you never know when the damn thing will pop up and spite you =/


Isnt [email protected] meant to be getting tested for OU aswell ?
Priceless Azelf...Priceless.

Wob's evil with the Shadow Tag trapping, but if you have Dusknoir, just Pain Split it to get back health, burn it, and try to avoid dealing too much damage, say if you run a Restalk set (although it would be rare O_o...) It'd be fun to WoW it, then when you're expected to use Shadow Sneak, just use WoW again. lol that way it can't be switched out without burning something...except fires and Heatran
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Priceless Azelf...Priceless.

Wob's evil with the Shadow Tag trapping, but if you have Dusknoir, just Pain Split it to get back health, burn it, and try to avoid dealing too much damage, say if you run a Restalk set (although it would be rare O_o...) It'd be fun to WoW it, then when you're expected to use Shadow Sneak, just use WoW again. lol that way it can't be switched out without burning something...except fires and Heatran
Except they aren't that stupid.

They'll expect a WoW, for Hera to absorb it.

All it would have to do is switch to my Noir counter.
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Priceless Azelf...Priceless.

Wob's evil with the Shadow Tag trapping, but if you have Dusknoir, just Pain Split it to get back health, burn it, and try to avoid dealing too much damage, say if you run a Restalk set (although it would be rare O_o...) It'd be fun to WoW it, then when you're expected to use Shadow Sneak, just use WoW again. lol that way it can't be switched out without burning something...except fires and Heatran
It will encore you every time though.

I swear that thing is broken. It can also DESTROY SpecsMence after Draco Meteor and just laugh at Mence. Then again SpecsMence deserves it >:0
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my opinion: it was about time they made it OU. it only makes sense. the main reason for it before was because shadow tag kept opposing wobbuffets in an annoying stall war, but now that gamefreak fixed that, it's not that hard to take care. people should just get adjusted to running more strategic sets.

oh and the issue with [email protected] becoming OU w/o soul dew: NO. they are still challenging to kill and have recover with a great movepool. they don't have any X2 weaknesses and killing them requires some strong physical dragon, ice and dark moves from pokemon that are faster. all the dragons gain a little power, but [email protected] carry such a great sp atk and have ice beam. weavile won't ohko them... so yeah.
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Like what? What strategic sets can you make? It has no counters. It will hit you at the most unexpected times, *& with Shadow Tag, there is no counters.

Unfortunatly, it is too weak for Ubers.
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The closest thing to strategic is to throw Mixape in when Wobby kills his first victim- Mixape has a 60% chance of killing Wobby, but it's all dependant on luck.
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Old February 11th, 2008 (6:26 PM).
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using substitute is one. carrying taunt on unexpected pokes (who could really use it) is another. using pokes with toxic/WoW and pressure stall is another. looking at pokes who have roar and can use that to their benefit. torment is one that gives you the freedom to hit it with a certain kind of hit without recieving damage from counter/mirror coat and finishing it off before it can use destiny bond.
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The only problem with Substitute is if you use it and it Encores it onto you. Then you're screwed.
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Seriously, only so many pokes can use those moves effectivley. So unless you are planning on giving it to each of the pokes on your team, your screwed. The biggest problem is not knowing when it will show, resulting in an automatic loss.

Me and you could battle, and I could pull it off at the must unlikely of times.

I'm not saying this to osund pretentious, as I really love Wobby, and I love reflecting moves.
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Old February 11th, 2008 (7:22 PM).
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The closest thing to strategic is to throw Mixape in when Wobby kills his first victim- Mixape has a 60% chance of killing Wobby, but it's all dependant on luck.
He may have a 60% chance to kill him on the first shot, but if Wobby has enough health, he will encore you and switch to a counter and your back at square one... If Wobby has low enough health for you to KO, Wobby won't be staying in, in will come there counter without you being encored, or even better yet, a Wish Passer so Wobby can be re-energized to strike again...

I guess it's time to bring out that Wobbuffet that I used when people didn't include rules into battles. He is very deadly, if you know how to use it
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Funny thing is, it only uses 3 moves to be so deadly. Odd it doesn't have Magic Coat.
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Destiny Bond has it uses though...

Can't wait for the day people hack recover or something on this thing, boy that will be more annoying than Wondertomb
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Old February 11th, 2008 (8:31 PM). Edited February 11th, 2008 by Arcknight316.
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But yeah, they have the element of surprise on their hands, you never know when the damn thing will pop up and spite you =/


Isnt [email protected] meant to be getting tested for OU aswell ?
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The only problem with Substitute is if you use it and it Encores it onto you. Then you're screwed.
that's the thing, you give it those moves for prevention of it doing damage switching in. you don't do it after it's been in battle already. so you will have attacked it before it could use encore. that's the kind of thing i mean.

people just need to make it a habit to not use predictable sets that leave open so many weaknesses.
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that's the thing, you give it those moves for prevention of it doing damage switching in. you don't do it after it's been in battle already. so you will have attacked it before it could use encore. that's the kind of thing i mean.

people just need to make it a habit to not use predictable sets that leave open so many weaknesses.
That's still not an exact counter for Wobbuffet. It takes far too much prediction to stop something that may or may not come out. Just mixing & matching isn't enough. He ruins all Choice users, and it is impossible to conform you entire team to stop it. Only way to beat it is luck.
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"How to screw a wobby" 1. Mean look pass to spiritomb. 2. Taunt. 3. Pursuit. And wobby shall have lots of pain. :D That's my way to kill it.
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"How to screw a wobby" 1. Mean look pass to spiritomb. 2. Taunt. 3. Pursuit. And wobby shall have lots of pain. :D That's my way to kill it.
Tell me who is going to throw Wobbuffet in on something that can drill it into the ground with pursuit or taunt.
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Meh, Wobby aren't all that hard to kill. Gyra comes in when I see it, I Taunt, get in some DDs, rinse and repeat.
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He is saying when you're faced with a Wobbuffett, you mean pass to a Spiritomb. Trouble is, he'd probably Encore the Mean Look onto you.
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Meh, Wobby aren't all that hard to kill. Gyra comes in when I see it, I Taunt, get in some DDs, rinse and repeat.
Gyara can't come in because Shadow Tag traps everything. and Wobby wouldn't be stupid enough to come in on Taunt Gyarados.
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Pursuit is never going to kill Wobba if he stays in. And chances are it will stay vs a Weavile or TTar, using counter. Of course you can stop it with Dark Pulse (TTar) and Swords Dance (Weavile) if he's too afraid to Encore, but that doesn't make Wobba any less broken. He's centralizing the metagame around it, demanding people to drastically change their teams and carry more pokemon who can deal with him smartly, on the expence of other useful moves. Mean Look is something you should rarely see on Dusknoir, but it does beat Wobba 1 on 1, because even if he encores your Mean Look, he can't run away, and you'll be free to use Shadow Sneak afterwards.
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