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Old February 12th, 2008 (2:09 PM).
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Yeah it's a good thing Wobby doesn't have a move that blocks status after Encoring it, switching to a counter, and belling it off later.

Oh wait.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (2:27 PM).
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Pursuit is never going to kill Wobba if he stays in. And chances are it will stay vs a Weavile or TTar, using counter. Of course you can stop it with Dark Pulse (TTar) and Swords Dance (Weavile) if he's too afraid to Encore, but that doesn't make Wobba any less broken. He's centralizing the metagame around it, demanding people to drastically change their teams and carry more pokemon who can deal with him smartly, on the expence of other useful moves. Mean Look is something you should rarely see on Dusknoir, but it does beat Wobba 1 on 1, because even if he encores your Mean Look, he can't run away, and you'll be free to use Shadow Sneak afterwards.
The bolded is so true.

Tbh, i dont even see why it even got tested for OU, is it not obvious that this pokemon has as stupid ability and even more stupid moves to go with it ?. Deoxys i can understand, it can hardly sweep, it can pressure stall a bit, but wobby is just too broken.

Also people seem to be forgetting when they say " Its not hard to beat" that you dont know when its going to come out, say for instance your Choice Band weavile has just finished something off with Pursuit, and then Wobby comes in, its going to revenge kill your ass, which is ironic seeing as Choice Band weavile is a revenge killer. It can then come back later with Wish support and wreck the rest of your sweepers in the same fashion, whilst wrecking your set ups such as dragon dances with Encore along the way. If you attack it its going to Encore and mirror coat or counter. Even status is not a good counter to it, it can use safeguard and it is even worse with cleric support.

Its just too stupid and over centralizing the metagame which is why things are put in uber initially and should actually be put back in ubers where it belongs.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (2:31 PM).
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I'll give another example.

You kill something with A Choice Band Cross Chop and Wobby comes in! Now what? Nothing. End. You lose. Game over.

Life Orbers suffer more since they are encoreed and lose 10% health each turn while taking counter or mirror coat.

D-E kinda sucks lol

But Wobby...it's just a little too good. It can also help the team it's on in so many ways, like encoring random stuff and sending in something like Heracross, while they're locked into something like WoW, and then throw a Choice Band Focus Punch at the switch-in.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (3:28 PM).
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Then go on Shoddy, use Wobbuffett and kick butt with it. When the statistics show it's still too powerful for OU, they'll move it back up Uber.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (3:48 PM).
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Then go on Shoddy, use Wobbuffett and kick butt with it. When the statistics show it's still too powerful for OU, they'll move it back up Uber.
Then you'll LOVE what I'm about to share with you:

Use Wobbuffet to trap something that commonly carries Earthquake, preferably as a STAB move. Donphan works here. Encore its Earthquake and send out BellyZard (just be sure there's no SR)

Set up a sub while they run off and Belly Drum while they break it. Then Salac Berry Activates and gg.

Even if sandstream ruins you you can still KO a few things.

Or encore a thunderbolt and switch in Garchomp...the list goes on.

So I gladly accept that challenge since it won't exactly be doing bad for my shoddy record.

EDIT: I doubt they'll ever move it back up no matter how uber it proves to be in all honesty.
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i honestly don't see it as that big of a threat. it may almost be guaranteed involvement in at least one KO, but any decent player would know not to fall for that again. dugtrio is an example of this but is not given as much attention because, well, it kinda sucks lol. yet at the same time, wobuffet is left at a major disadvantage with not being very reusable. by this i mean that once it fulfills its purpose, it really has to luck out to be made useful in a battle again. while the metagame may take a significant shift because of wobbu's abilities, teams with wobbuffet really have to build their teams around it so that it can be reusable. i think that is a clear balance.

but on another level, anyone can request to not have wobuffet in their team if they're so opposed to the idea. "wobbu clause"... or "buffet clause". mmh buffet. i could sure have some orenj chikenz.
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I love using Wobby to encore on status (because everyone tries to status him) only to send in an Electivire, Houndoom or Heracross to take advantage of which status it is

Wobbuffet is broken, regardless of how little it is actually used in ubers, it still belongs there
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Wi-Fi is where Wobbuffett really shines. Expecially with sleep leads like Roserade and Bronzong or Gengar.

Say something like this:

Player1 sent out Roserade!
Player2 sent out Wobbuffett!
Player1's Roserade uses Sleep Powder!
Wobbuffett's Lum Berry activates!
Player2's Wobbuffett uses Encore!



Next, you'd pick Safeguard as the next move. Since you've Encore Roserade, it must use Sleep Powder. If it hits, you fall asleep, then you switch out, as they do a second Sleep Powder to the second pokemon. And they lose by violating sleep clause! And if they miss, you've just set up a Safeguard, and now you can switch into something that can set up, like a BellyZard, and rape the other guys team.
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Old February 12th, 2008 (10:57 PM).
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Since you've Encore Roserade, it must use Sleep Powder. If it hits, you fall asleep, then you switch out, as they do a second Sleep Powder to the second pokemon. And they lose by violating sleep clause!
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'HAY WTFZORZ U BROKED SLEEPE CLAUS! press run away and i'll pretend it never happened'
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Old February 12th, 2008 (11:00 PM).
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No Sleep Clause only applies if you have another option. If you are forced to Sleep Powder and cannot switch out, you are allowed to. That would be the worst way to lose...

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Old February 13th, 2008 (3:00 AM).
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Taunt >>>


Hehehe that made me laugh

But yeah, they have the element of surprise on their hands, you never know when the damn thing will pop up and spite you =/


Isnt [email protected] meant to be getting tested for OU aswell ?
I hope so, i loves them :). Besides, they are pretty unremarkable without that dew. Its like marowak and thick club
I agree with everyone who's saying wobby is a bloated version of FEAR tactics.
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Old February 13th, 2008 (3:23 PM).
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Sleep Clause was put into place to prevent the opponent from sleeping your whole team. If you force them to, that's your fault. That is the stupidest, cheapest, most cowardly way to beat someone and I really feel like punching you over the internet right now.

Back on topic: You can't really theorymon Wobbuffet. Someone post logs. I'd love to but I can't get on Shoddy now.
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Old February 13th, 2008 (3:45 PM).
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Oh grow up. You are the only one here taking this personally, as if he's done anything to you. He said something, that makes sense, cept it was half thought, and you gotta react like a little kid. Especially since it was obviously a joke, as Samson saw. Geez, grow up.

Anyway, there is no real way to beat Wobbuffet, other than outpredicting. And that is never a definate solution. People always say "well, I can just outpredict" as if the opponent can't.
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Old February 13th, 2008 (4:00 PM).
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Oh grow up. You are the only one here taking this personally, as if he's done anything to you. He said something, that makes sense, cept it was half thought, and you gotta react like a little kid. Especially since it was obviously a joke, as Samson saw. Geez, grow up.

Anyway, there is no real way to beat Wobbuffet, other than outpredicting. And that is never a definate solution. People always say "well, I can just outpredict" as if the opponent can't.
It's basically like Dugtrio only Wobbuffet sets things up for other team members.

Wobby alone is pretty easy to beat, but in the hands of a GOOD player who KNOWS HOW TO USE IT, Wobbuffet will be a major problem.

BTW Samson, Dugtrio's success can vary a lot. sometimes I've found it incredible and other times I've hated it in all honesty. I love Dugtrio :(

But in all seriousness Wobbuffet is a pokemon that can use any pokemon without Taunt as a set-up fodder for a powerful sweeper. Like Encored Earthquake, switch to Azelf, and go go go Nasty Plot!

Wobby should be Uber.
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It's obviously admitted in 12000 ways that Wobb is too good for OU. You can't stall it, completely status it, OHKO it effectively (unless they're too stupid to do a switch), or anything in general...

Wobb in OU will only do two things; Increase Gyarados and Tyranitars with Taunt on teams, and destroy everything else. It should be back in the Ubers.
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Back on topic : Yeah, i agree wobby is over centering the metagame, lets face it, you cant "counter" a pokemon you cant switch out of.
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Agreed Azelf; actually already reported it.

U-Turn and Baton Pass still get you out, right? If so, then the potential of seeing those moves even on random pokemon might increase.
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Well....

U-Turn is an awful move to use on Wobby-it can still be countered, thus whichever poke switches in takes heavy damage.

You can get Encored on Baton Pass...I think.
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Old February 13th, 2008 (5:23 PM).
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I don't think so sims but I'm not sure so I'll shut up now.

Either way you can't technically counter Wobby and in the right hands you can sweep anything with Wobby support, so yeah I'm against it being OU as I'm sure you know.

Seriously, what's next? Is attack deoxys gonna be tried for standard play next?
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I'm scared of Defenseoxys most. Damn Dark Azelf & his scary sets.

Take it away, Dark Azelf.
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i'm seriously ready to take on wobbus.
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*sigh* I'm pretty sure this thread has run its course. Any objections to me closing it, PM me and give me a reason.
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