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Old February 13th, 2008 (1:22 AM).
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This was mainly done by T_S and I'm trying to learn from every thing here.

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Adamant
252 Atk, 232 HP, 24 Spd

Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Crunch
Earthquake

Your Lead. Starts off Sandstream and can provide a great physical presence straight up. Switch this into something it scares, and DD on the switch out.

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Relaxed
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Gyro Ball

Physical Wall and rapid Spinner. Stealth Rock it can hit the likes of Yanmega for 1/2 damage, and stops Focus Sash pokemon, no matter what they are, where as Spikes doesn't. (SashGengar) Gyro Ball with Relaxed and that low speed is an extremely strong move, and Light Screen can help with Sp. Def woes your team may have. Rapid Spin get's rid of Spikes, SR and Toxic Spikes from your side of the field.

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Naive
252 Sp. Atk, 232 Spd, 24 Atk

Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Nasty Plot

This thing is beastly. 2HKO's Bold 252/252 HP/Def Blissey even after leftovers, and outspeeds many threats. Grass Knot 1HKO's a Hippowdon without at least 56 Sp. Def EV's.(T_S)

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Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Adaptability

Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse

This is a scary pokemon. Outspeeds many things with Choice Scarf, and with it's ability, Tri-Attack get's 180 Base Power, with the chance of Burning, Paralyzing or Freezing your opponent also. The rest is for coverage, with the last slot mainly to do with either Tyranitar or Gengar, whichever you fear most.(T_S)

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Careful
252 HP, 156 Sp. Def, 100 Def

Pain Split
Fire Punch
Shadow Sneak
Will-o-Wisp

Bcause of it's bad HP I need the EV points spread out like that. Pain split to annoy Blisey and fire punch to get rid of Hera. Shadow Sneak Gets Stab, and will-o-wisp to burn them down. Heracross might switch in for will-o-wisp though so that could be a problem but doesn't really bother me.

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Bold
148 HP, 252 Def, 106 Sp. Atk
Serene Grace

Ice Beam
Flamethrower
Softboiled
Aromatherapy

Ice Beam for Dragons mainly scarfchomps, Flamethrower if they throw out a Metagross at me or Hera.

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However, I want to hear opinions on the T-Tar spread, I kinda don't have Dragon Dance on my larvitar that I IV bred with 4 max stats :\
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Old February 13th, 2008 (8:52 AM). Edited February 13th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Jolly Nature
252 Atk,252 SPEED / 6 HP

Dragon Dance
Stone Edge / Taunt / ice Beam
Crunch
Earthquake

Adamant Fails on DD Tar, Jolly Nature Plesh so you can outrun Gengar, Starmie, Azelf etc.


Id also put either Ice Beam or Taunt on this, ice Beam OHKO's Garchomp, Gliscor, and 2hkos donphan, Hippowdon, etc only with a life orb though, all of whom are common switch ins to this.


Taunt stops stuff statusing, Whirlwind, and stating up on you.


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Relaxed
252 HP, 196 def Def, 60Atk

Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Earthquake / Gyro Ball
Rest

Id maybe put Shed shell on this or Magnezone says hi. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put rest on this so you wont die as easily, also at least give it some attack.

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Naive
252 Sp. Atk, 232 Spd, 24 Atk

Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Nasty Plot

Nice

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Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Adaptability

Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse

yep
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Careful
252 HP, 156 Sp. Def, 100 Def

Pain Split
Thunderpunch
Shadow Sneak
Will-o-Wisp

Yep, needs thunderpunch, your already Gyarados weak.
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Bold
148 HP, 252 Def, 106 Sp. Atk
Serene Grace

Ice Beam
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Aromatherapy

S-Toss or Calm Minders say hi and rape you.

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You need a bulky ground type, other t-tar have the potential to rape you, especially mixtar.

Heatran also causes HUGE problems, as does all forms of Azelf and most stat up special sweepers, such as Nasty Plot Porygon-z. Id maybe put t-wave >> Ice Beam to slow these threats down.

So put more sp.def on Blissey, no sp.sweepers can touch this, you dont loose much def, calm gives you 119 def and bold gives you 130 def, you dont loose much hp either if you dont run any hp evs, it makes like 6% of a difference.

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252 DEF / 212 SP.DEF / 40 SP.ATT
Calm Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Aromatheraphy / Thunderwave.

OR if you can get it.

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252 DEF / 212 SP.DEF / 40 SP.ATT
Calm Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Wish
- protect
- Seismic Toss
- ice Beam / Thunderwave
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Old February 13th, 2008 (12:52 PM).
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Isn't Mixtar Boah DA? :P

But in all seriousness DDtar is for clean-up sweeping, not to be a lead. Besides, Hippowdon is a really common lead and will just laugh while it sets up Stealth Rock in your face.

Spikes on Forretress over the inferior Stealth Rock. You do realize that sand stream and spikes together will take out 99% of sashers, yes? You even have a ghost to block Rapid Spin.

Honestly Scarf Porygon-Z is quite useless compared to its other sets like Choice Specs and Nasty Plot.

BTW Seismic Toss on Blissey because I have a Raikou ready to eat up non-SToss Blissey.
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Old February 13th, 2008 (12:56 PM).
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Dark_Azelf already countered him. Put Ice Beam in over Ice Fang, perhaps make it Choice Banded, but he asked for something faster, so that's what I gave him, DD Tar. (He thought it was too slow, so I gave P-Z Scarf. Specs or NP would have been better, but it's his team...)

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Old February 13th, 2008 (12:59 PM).
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Isn't Mixtar Boah DA? :P

But in all seriousness DDtar is for clean-up sweeping, not to be a lead. Besides, Hippowdon is a really common lead and will just laugh while it sets up Stealth Rock in your face.

Spikes on Forretress over the inferior Stealth Rock. You do realize that sand stream and spikes together will take out 99% of sashers, yes? You even have a ghost to block Rapid Spin.

Honestly Scarf Porygon-Z is quite useless compared to its other sets like Choice Specs and Nasty Plot.

BTW Seismic Toss on Blissey because I have a Raikou ready to eat up non-SToss Blissey.
Nah Mixtar is


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Naughty Nature
216 Atk / 96 SpA / 196 Spe
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
- Crunch
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