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Hold on, are you advocating Sleep Powder, or Stun Spore? Make up your mind.

Second, I was just giving a personal example of why I vouch for Stun Spore. Most people on shoddy, maybe, but I've seen my fair share of Sleep Talk hera to say otherwise. Regardless of whether or not Megahorn comes out, it may still come out. That hurts like holy hell. Maybe not to Tangrowth

And Scarfcross is still out there, whether it's not as useful as CB or not. As said, I go for Spore. They annoy me more than CB, since they can fall in one hit. One good hit.
Lol i remember my Sleep Talk Hera, i havent used it for ages since i now have a Cleric =[

Scarf Sleep talk hera is nasty to predict against cause you dont know what move itll pick.

This one guy switched an Altaria into a guts boosted megahorn and it was 2hko'd even though it resisted it 0_0.


You still need a bulky water btw, take Miltank out NAOW and put in swampy, do you want to get raped by Infernape ?

Its also VERY Tyraniboah weak.

3 normals with no fighting resist is very foolish....Id like to see Gliscor or something aswell.
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Lol i remember my Sleep Talk Hera, i havent used it since i now have a Cleric =[

Scarf Sleep talk hera is nasty to predict against cause you dont know what move itll pick.

This one guy switched an Altaria into a guts boosted megahorn and it was 2hko'd even though it resisted it 0_0.


You still need a bulky water btw, take Miltank out NAOW and put in swampy, do you want to get raped by Infernape ?

Its also VERY Tyraniboah weak.

3 normals with no fighting resist is very foolish....Id like to see Gliscor or something aswell.
Funny, I still don't see a Plume apology. He want's it. RIGHT NOW!

Of course, I won't dismiss Sleep Powder. I love it. Easy to set up a Nape with Nasty Plot.
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Funny, I still don't see a Plume apology. He want's it. RIGHT NOW!

Of course, I won't dismiss Sleep Powder. I love it. Easy to set up a Nape with Nasty Plot.
Sorry Plume XP I owe Flygon one aswell i believe for megahorning it to death lol

Double power tangrowth is really sweet aswell, not as good as knock off in a spot, but its still nice.
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That's it. You've rubbed salt in Flygon's belly button. You stgepped in Raichu's Cornfalkes. Do you know what I say when people steps in Chu's Cornflakes?

Meh, maybe Sleep Powder is better than Stun Spore, but not worth losing good ole' Knock Off.
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NOT CHU'S CORNFLAKES!! And Stun Spore has worked wonders for me, its a better aid in stall wars too, and Mixpert walls both Tyraniboah AND Physical Infernape, so puts him in naows!
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WHAT? I IS USING GASTRODON???!! OVER SWAMPY???

Meh, I'm feeling Gastrodon today. It's been added.
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What, the, heck! Gastrodon is horrible! Its defense are sad, and it has a crappy movepool, its not even about TYPE!!!
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Gastrodon is quite good, an inferior version of Swampert--good, but not great. Good enough to use if you want.
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I've never had any problems with it on Shoddy, I still think Swampert makes more sense.
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Swampert is way better than Gastrodon and you'll pretty much make this team a joke adding it.

And could somebody please tell me how the para status is useful at all? All it does is slow down stuff and occasionally para haxes stuff. That's kinda worthless.
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Swampert is way better than Gastrodon and you'll pretty much make this team a joke adding it.

And could somebody please tell me how the para status is useful at all? All it does is slow down stuff and occasionally para haxes stuff. That's kinda worthless.
Great. Now Para is worthless. I don't feel like getting into this right now. Well, it wasn't worthless before, it surely isn't now. I don't know what changed since then. Sleep for me was always too risky. Sure, it shuts down 1 poke, and only 1 poke, but the fact that you must hope that it doesn't wake (Like next turn) is what kills it. I never heard of Para clause. Feel free to shut down the entire team.

Second, cool it. If he want's Gastrodon, he can damn well use it. Just like Nightofshadow said. We aren't allowed to play with what we want. If he wants Gassy, it's going in--either help around it or don't waste your energy. Don't waste time convincing him otherwise. He isn't stupid, and knows it's shortcommings.
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Gastro and Swampert may have the same defensive typing but are otherwise quite different and even if Gastrodon were good it wouldn't fit into this team so well.

Para only affects stuff, it doesn't shut things down like Sleep does.

Not only that but this team doesn't benefit from Para support AT ALL.
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Gastro and Swampert may have the same defensive typing but are otherwise quite different and even if Gastrodon were good it wouldn't fit into this team so well.

Para only affects stuff, it doesn't shut things down like Sleep does.

Not only that but this team doesn't benefit from Para support AT ALL.
OK. I'll repeat myself one last time. Ready? This is a big job here, reading this here....I'll make it big so you'll see it...




I SAID SLEEP POWDER WOULD BE FINE FOR THIS TEAM.


Second, you aren't educating me on what Swampert & Gassy can do, by the way. I know how they are different. Not needed for the team is one thing, but if he wants Gassy over Swampert, accept it. If he knows Gassy will be a hinderance, but wants it anyway, leave it at that. If you can't help despite that, don't post. It's his team, and he makes all final desisions. We must only help as much as we can, while NOT chatizing him for refusing to make the 'right" desisions. We give a rate, advice, only words. We'll see what he has to say.

Sleeping pokemon wakes up, sometimes at the most unexpected times. And since you can only do one at a time makes that sleep crucial. Para hits all. Now can we STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHICH IS MOST USEFUL.
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I never he has to do what I say. I'm only speaking the truth when I tell hinm that Gastrodon simply doesn't help this team at all. I'll accept that decision, but I AM allowed to tell him that it's the wrong decidsion. If we ran things so that "hey, he wants to use Palkia. No one will battle him but he makes the final call!" then nobody would get anywhere with these threads.

Honestly I feel like I'm being taken out of context.

All I'm saying is that Gastrodon doesn't fit and it needs to be replaced if this team is to be good. If he doesn't change it, fine, but the team will not be good.

Still nothing can stand up to Physical Infernape.

Also for future reference I'm most of these posts haven't even been directed at you which is causing a mess of confusion.
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I never he has to do what I say. I'm only speaking the truth when I tell hinm that Gastrodon simply doesn't help this team at all. I'll accept that decision, but I AM allowed to tell him that it's the wrong decidsion. If we ran things so that "hey, he wants to use Palkia. No one will battle him but he makes the final call!" then nobody would get anywhere with these threads.
Then those threads die on the spot.

Honestly I feel like I'm being taken out of context.

All I'm saying is that Gastrodon doesn't fit and it needs to be replaced if this team is to be good. If he doesn't change it, fine, but the team will not be good.

Still nothing can stand up to Physical Infernape.

Also for future reference I'm most of these posts haven't even been directed at you which is causing a mess of confusion.
I didn't understand what most of the post said. But I got anything right, then I'll tell you that you'll be taken in better context if you don't use caps. "AT ALL". That shows yelling, and can easily provoke a strong response. If he wants Gassy, just help around it as best you can.
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I use caps for emphasis, not yelling.

Like saying that snorlax is THE coolest first gen pokemon. Like that.

Yeah but I think we should at least tell him using Gastrodon is a bad idea. If he doesn't care and uses it then fine, but I can at least tell him that it is a bad idea.
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For this team, no. Not wise. But, it's been said, & I didn't wanna repeat.
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For this team, no. Not wise. But, it's been said, & I didn't wanna repeat.
I'm honestly confused as to what you mean (which I tghink defines the problem we've both kinda had of late ;)) but if you mean that the point has already been made then I was just...uh...reinforcing it.

My main beef with this team is that it doesn't gel especially well together. Some things are countered REALLY well and others just destroy this team.

Honestly I wouldn't even put swampert in, you need something that can handle physical attackers tangrowth can't. Vaporeon might be good here, especially since it can subpass and wish pass, which will be nice to that SR-weak Crobat of yours.
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Just thought of some REALLY random changes:

Might switch Bat for Aerodactyl.

Tangrowth is going out for Gliscor. That'll help my Physical 'Nape and Hera weak.

The only reason I have Gassy is because it has the ever useful.....Recover! But I'm thinking of changing it to a Beller/Spinner.
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Gastrodon will get OHKOed before it can recover anyways :P

BTW maybe instead of making random changes you should really think about what will help this team because switching stuff around all the time isn't really helping.

Honestly I don't see what the purpose of putting in Aerodactyl over Crobat.
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Gastrodon will get OHKOed before it can recover anyways :P

BTW maybe instead of making random changes you should really think about what will help this team because switching stuff around all the time isn't really helping.

Honestly I don't see what the purpose of putting in Aerodactyl over Crobat.
Yeah, I've always thought that was my problem, I make random changes without stopping to think.

Bat can't do a thing to Skarm and friends.
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Yeah, I've always thought that was my problem, I make random changes without stopping to think.

Bat can't do a thing to Skarm and friends.
Neither can Aerodactyl. Skarmory can buy itself rock resists with Roost while easily shrugging off even a choice Banded Stone edge and will spike up the field, heal, and just roar you away.

Bulky Grounds actually wall Aerodactyl even worse, especially Hippowdon who just walks all over it.

If you want something to kill walls Mixpert would be a good bet as Hydro Pump kills bulky Grounds, phsycial-wallish steels like forry and Skarm, and also kills Weezing.

Conveniently it also beats physical Infernape.
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Neither can Aerodactyl. Skarmory can buy itself rock resists with Roost while easily shrugging off even a choice Banded Stone edge and will spike up the field, heal, and just roar you away.

Bulky Grounds actually wall Aerodactyl even worse, especially Hippowdon who just walks all over it.

If you want something to kill walls Mixpert would be a good bet as Hydro Pump kills bulky Grounds, phsycial-wallish steels like forry and Skarm, and also kills Weezing.

Conveniently it also beats physical Infernape.
Mixpert sounds good, but I really want a beller.
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You already have Snorlax to absorb status but if you insist...well there aren't really any beller that can stand up tyo physical Infernape so you're in a pickle here.
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You already have Snorlax to absorb status but if you insist...well there aren't really any beller that can stand up tyo physical Infernape so you're in a pickle here.
DRAGONITE????!!!!! *Crowd gasps* lol jk

There's a bunch of Pokes that can learn bell through XD. The problem is, Serebii doesn't list them.
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